Dee-Lish Color Question

last year

I have seen so many raving reviews about Dee-Lish. It indeed looks like a perfect rose. My only concern is the color looks very similar as Grand Dame. I already have Grand Dame. Although I like it very much, I try to collect different colors for my small yard. Below are two recent photos of my Grand Dame.

If you happen to have both Dee-Lish and Grand Dame, please share your opinion. Many thanks!

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Rose Lai (9b)

last year

Below is a direct comparison of Grande Dame and Deelish. Grande Dame just happened to be located in the upper part of my garden, "overlooking" Deelish. I don't think they have the same color.

The dark pink in the back is Grande Dame. The foreground is Deelish. They are both very tall: > 7 feet in my San Francesco Bay garden.

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Diane Brakefield
last year
Go to Help Me Find Roses and do a search for each rose. You can compare the descriptions of these two and many photographs. Grande Dame's blooms are larger, darker, and have a different bloom structure. There are other differences. Grande Dame was hybridized by Carruth, and Dee Lish is a Meilland rose. Diane
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KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
Original Author
last year
Thank you, Diane. I already did, and think the color on some photos look similar to Grand Dame. But I know sometimes it's hard to catch the real color. That's why I was asking if someone who grows both of them can share some experiences.
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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
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I used to grow them both. Grande Dame is deeper in color, Deelish is more a candy pink, but they are somewhat similar in color. They smell different…Deelish like grapefruit, GD like old rose. I liked Deelish’s larger one to a stem blooms more. How about Elle? I like her more than either of those two, and she looks more different.
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KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
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@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) Thank you so much! Then I have to give up Dee-Lish. Don't want another similar color. Just searched Elle in HMF. It's very pretty! It's currently out of stock on Heirloom. Added to my wish list.

I think I have been attracted to roses with thick petals and large bloom size, and at the same time has English rose looking, such as Sweet Mademoiselle and Leonardo Da Vinci. Dee-Lish looks like a perfect fit for me except the color. What a pity, especially I heard it's a true no spray rose.
BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
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I look for that type of bloom too! English form, but with larger blooms and better substance. Mostly I find thm in the Melland Romanticas. Consider Bolero and Liv Tyler if you don’t already have them, too! I bet those two and Elle have excellent disease resistance.

For an Austin, Evelyn is a standout for large bloom and good substance

Grande Dame was advertised as a similar bloom, but mine had smaller blooms and simple form. She grew very well, I gave her to friends who are thrilled with her!
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KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
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last year
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Ben, yes, indeed! Meilland Romanticas is the type of rose I truly want! But it seems many varieties are not available for purchase in US. The other day I saw a short video of Jazz Festival, a new Meilland rose but might not be one of Romanticas, which is so beautiful that I can't move my eyes. Since then it keeps bugging me that I want it so much but couldn't find any place to buy it.

Both Bolero and Liv Tyler were once in my rose wish list, but I couldn't recall why I took them off. Just did some research again, now I remember why. For Liv Tyler, one comments in HMF said she cannot withstand even small rain. If this is true, it's definitely a deal breaker for me. Here in CA our rain season is always in spring, which is also the best showtime for roses. For Bolero, I saw people mentioned in HMF that it has very thin stems and nodding flowers. Boy I dislike nodding flowers.

Is the comment about Liv Tyler's rain tolerant true? I prefer her bloom form over Elle, also I love love coral pink.
strawchicago z5
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Liv Tyler prefers alkaline pH, and prone to rust if soil pH is acidic. I have tons of rain here at 40 inch. per short summer in my zone 5a, but Liv Tyler does well in my soil pH at 7.7, and topped with horse manure at pH over 8. Below pics. were taken at temp. over 90 F. As own-root, Liv Tyler did best in full sun and high heat:

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Krista_5NY
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I grow Dee-Lish and Grande Dame, the colors are not the same and both are beautiful roses. I highly recommend Dee-Lish, great fragrance, wonderful blooms. It complements pink, apricot and red roses in the garden.
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noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
last year
Totally different colors in my garden. Dee-lish is more coral pink, Grande Dame is hot pink. I don't grow Grande Dame anymore though.
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Moses, Pittsburgh, W. PA., zone 5/6, USA
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Had both Grand Dame and Dee-Lish. Still have Dee-Lish, actually four (4), Dee-Lish bushes, got rid of Grand Dame because of mine being chronically plagued with weak necks, which is its natural trait.

In a rainy climate like mine, weak, nodding necks are a serious liability. Soggy blooms quickly rot. A bush that was relatively beautiful yesterday, looks horrible after a downpour, and it takes several days for new blooms to pop, only to be rained upon in turn....and all season long.

Your Grand Dame is magnificent. Whatever you are doing, keep it up.

Dee-Lish has a very upright growth habit, narrow and tall for me. Necks are pretty strong.

The bloom color is pink/coral, very nice. A nice, strong, but odd scent is how I describe its fragrance, almost like an infrequently encountered tropical flowers scent.

If you like Grand Dame, and I cannot see why you wouldn't, looking at your spectacular bush, give Pretty Lady Rose a try. PLR is Grand Dames' baby girl! Pretty Lady Rose holds blooms upright, and is quite fragrant and prolific of bloom. The scent is like Grand Game's to me.

Moses
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KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
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@strawchicago z5 Your Liv Tyler looks stunning! A very gentle and delicate color. I think my soil is alkaline. I didn't test my soil, but a neighbor told me so. If Liv Tyler is doing well in your rain season, then I guess it's worth to give it a try!

@Krista_5NY @noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque) Dee-Lish is back to my to-buy list!

@Moses, Pittsburgh, W. PA., zone 5/6, USA Grand Dame does need lots of support. I am thinking to put a trellis beside it. My biggest complaint about Grand Dame is she puts on a spectacular show in spring, then doesn't bloom much for the rest of the year. Although I still like her a lot and will always keep her, I'd rather have some which can continuously bloom.
noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
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Compare this color to your photos above:

Grande Dame did not like my hot dry garden. The flowers when it did bloom had very distorted flowers. I did love the fragrance, so it was a big disappointment. I don't mind weak necks. Yours is gorgeous, KJ.
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Rose Lai (9b)
last year
Bolero doesn't really "nod" - at least not as much as Grande Dame during her first couple of years. However, if you live in a California coastal climate, it can get rust, though not bad enough to defoliate the plant. During a flush, the blooms do not necessarily always look "up" but honestly Grande Dame, or other Austins nod far worse. Pictures are better than description.

The last photo was taken this morning. We have very strong wind during spring, but I think Bolero does quite well despite the windy condition.
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Krista_5NY
last year
Dee-Lish, not the best bloom, but shows the color of it. As the name Dee-Lish suggests, it's a delicious rose!

Grande Dame after a heat wave, vibrant fuchsia color:
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KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
Original Author
last year
@Rose Lai (9b) Oh my goodness, thank you so much for your gorgeous photo! What a perfect photo to show the difference! I cannot ask for more. Grand Dame is darker in color, and Dee-Lish has larger and better looking blooms.

Your Bolero doesn't look nodding at all. I am so glad I asked here in this forum. I almost missed such a wonderful rose. If I remember correctly, it's a very compact bush, so I can easily find a spot for it in my garden. I live in San Jose, and do get rust here and there. But after I removed blackcherry, the rust queen, things seem to be better.

What is the bright orange rose behind your Bolero? Such a eye-catching color.
KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
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last year
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@noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque) @Krista_5NY Thank you! Dee-Lish is indeed more coral. Yes, Fuchsia color is a very accurate description for Grand Dame. Today I made a bouquet of Grand Dame and Strick it Rich. Cutting flowers before they get scorched in our heat wave next week. I took this photo indoor, so the color looks a little different than the actual color. I agree Grand Dame is a hot fuchsia pink.