We don't have this rose in the Sacramento cemetery, and as far as I can tell, we never have had it. I have the catalog from 1998, and it's not in there - and it's not in our list of study names in our current catalog. Sherri Berglund used to bring roses to sell at our Open Garden, so it's possible that she was the source of it. Like you, Jeri, I don't remember a red China there - I will ask Sherri whether it rings a bell. Since we've tried to grow most of the found Mother Lode roses in Sacramento, we should probably add it to our collection. Anita

Hi: We bought a couple of Mosser Lee brand test kits at Lowe's yesterday, one for moisture, one for pH. The pH kit tested the soil at the area I'd put the tree at around 6.8 or 6.9. Let me try to post of shot of our backyard, probably seem from our deck, with the garage/storage building (left of the shot) excluded when I took the picture. [IMG]http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l147/drrich2/Our%20New%20House/IMG_1927.jpg[/IMG] If the shot appears, it's the sunny right rear corner where I want to plant the tree, about 10 feet in from the fence. On the other side of the fence, several years back from where the tree would go, is a small creek (I don't think it has continuous water flow, but a sequence of puddles) that's cut a few feet deep into the ground, so I take it the ground water though here might be decent. Our yard slopes from the front of the front yard to the back of the backyard. Richard. P.S.: The Logan County Extension Office web site doesn't really have a recommended tree list I can find online; I may have to call them. P.S.#2: About.com's Forestry section has an article with 10 trees they don't recommend; I'll include a hyperlink to it. They indicate it gets gigantic & needs wet, acidic soil. I'm open to consider it, if it seems like a great choice for our application. P.S. #3: Dutchess, I'm not familiar with Willow Oak; any thoughts on what would make it a better choice than Northern Red Oak for what we're doing? P.S.#4 (Miscellaneous Points): Dan, I pointed out some Sycamore trees & my wife wasn't too taken with them. And I have allergies. Brandon: I could go up to $200 if it's a tree around 12+ feet tall & apt to grow & do well. Ken, our main ongoing 'care' of the tree would be to water it occasionally. I don't do much pruning & such. This is in Russellville, KY. Thanks for the link. P.S. #5: Let's say I picked an oak, went ahead & planted it in the latter half of July & watered once or twice weekly instead of putting it in over in October. How likely is this to actually harm the tree? Is a summer planting just higher maintenance, or if it does replace it but if it lives you get a jump on growth, or is it apt to stunt the tree? (In other words, I'd like to get a jump on growing the tree, if it's practical to do). Thanks, everybody! Here is a link that might be useful: 10 Trees not to plant (for many folks)

It's been growing all summer on a southeast facing slope, basically sun all the heat of the day, with no water and expanding in size. Definitely a hardy thing! Big healthy canes compared to the 1/4" stems of the cut flowers that I rooted (only a few made it) in the spring. Would be a great grow on a slope and leave alone rambler. The scent was so powerful I smelled it on the breeze going 75 miles an hour and looked until I saw it up ahead and across the freeway! The bright pink flowers (what I call "hot pink") gave it away. It is growing at an almost 2,000 ft. elevation in uppermost Shasta County on Hwy 5. Hot in the summer and some snow in the winter.

I had thought that as well, Diane, but didn't see the orange tinge in the pics. So last night/early morning I did some sleuthing and found this company, Windmill, is out of Canada and is a part of PanAmerican Nurseries. Looking through their catalogue, I suspect they are the source for many roses sold at both Palatine and Hortico. They sell the roses you bought in two sizes. I looked through their catalogue with no luck finding these exact roses, but suspect they are one of the various Canadian offerings from AgCanada. Calling would be the only way to truly ID them, but I presume they are off-patent or there is some reason they don't use the true name. This is the company. https://panamnursery.com Click for the PDF Pan American Catalogue. The hardy roses start on page 26 and the reference to yours are on page 54/55 listed as Showpot and Showtainers. Looking through these pics again, I wonder if the red one might not beEmily Carr, (p.28) one of the Canadian Artist Series, although it is listed for Z3 and yours is Z4. Morden Sunrise (p. 30) is also listed as Z3. Perhaps that info could help find yours. Of course you could always solve the mystery by just calling! LOL! : -D P.S. I think yours are the #1 grade 3 litre Showpots.