Spring Rose Disaster
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Comments (27)My experience will vary greatly from the OP, but I thought I'd chime in. I have purchased over the years a lot of bands from Heirloom. I have grown to truly love own root roses in my garden. I have found that potting them in one gallon containers until I see roots out to the sides of the pots (yes, I'll check now and then) and then potting them in the ground (as long as this is before it starts hitting 100 degrees outside) works here. Usually its warm enough here that this can be as little as 4-6 weeks, so I might order them for January delivery and have them in the ground in February (I just planted two Ruby Baby miniatures this way, for example). I'm still waiting on Amazing Grace, the only non-miniature I got from them this year, to begin to seem ready to even check the roots. Usually while they are busy making lots of good roots, there's only minimal growth up top, and usually its longer for a large rose to be ready to go into the ground. I think its going slow because its not in a nice heat absorbing black plastic pot, its in a handy ceramic pot so it might have a bit cooler temp in there. I think the other two minis could go in the ground except the location I want to place them is very close to the front sidewalk and so I want some more size on them topside before I risk stray steps or wandering dogs in the wrong place. We have no front fence. Note that these were potted and grown in a spot that is south facing on my front porch and get full sun all day. In January/February here that temp ranged from 60-78 deg for a high so far this year, so they enjoy that kind of warmth to the soil to help stimulate the root growth. Velvet Fragrance is one I bought own root, at the end of the second growing season (remember the zone difference here) I could not tell it apart in size/strength from any other rose planted at the same time on Dr. Huey bare root. It has nearly died twice due to watering issues in my zone but has come back strong both times. I'm convinced had it been on rootstock it would have died entirely the first time around. That one I kept potted for a full year before planting it in the ground, but at the time I had a sizable pot ghetto and was sorting out what was going where. It went from band to a one gallon after receipt, and then into a five gallon after roots were showing out the bottom of the one gallon. Keeping it well watered through an AZ summer is pretty key....See MoreSpring rains bring more roses, more rose problems
Comments (0)See: http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-living/ci_15169091?nclick_check=1 Here is a link that might be useful: link for above...See MoreIs my soil a disaster for roses?!
Comments (5)Hi Joanna, I'm new to roses, too, but I've done a lot of self-education. I learned on Sunday at a mini-seminar that roses do best at a PH between 6.3 and 6.5. My soil is about 7.0 with limestone rocks scattered through it; otherwise, it's Florida sand. For a while when I thought it was more alkaline, I was thinking about removing all the soil in the bed and having compost delivered in a truck, so that's an option (albeit an ugly one.) When I found out it was 7.0 and not worse, I decided I would dig really large holes, line the bottom and sides with pine needles (they're very acid), use the recommended dose of soil sulphur (only to be used once a year, I believe, because it will harm the plants, then you check the PH again), make new soil out of maybe 33% original soil, 33% peat moss which has a low PH (wet it before mixing it in - it repels water), and the rest store-bought compost, Black Kow (aged manure), and a "soil conditioner" which is just ground up pine bark (very acid.) I'm going organic, too. Cottonseed meal is a good nitrogen source, and it acidifies the soil. You could use fertilizer designed for acid-loving plants also. Pine bark mulch and/or oak leaves will acidify the soil. I was told that roses won't be happy at 7.0. Also, salt isn't good for plants. Just like humans, it makes them thirsty and they require more water, and salt is what burns the plant when you over-fertilize. Maybe what's in the alfalfa isn't enough to matter alot, but I would water more than you planned to compensate. In Florida roses are heavy feeders. I use alfalfa & fish emulsion, too. I have been told to fertilize monthly year round. I kind of think if you use a heavy dose of sulphur on your soil, you should wait several months before you plant. A Master Gardener told me that I should grow what likes alkaline soil because "high PH" could not be corrected. That's why I thought of insulating the plant from the original soil with the pine straw. Probably a crazy idea that won't accomplish what I want. I was told compost does nothing to change PH - but it does keep nematodes away which we have here. I would think that you would have lots of garden amendments available in Israel since it's reported that they produce wonderful things from the desert in Israel. Well, I hope you find everything you need including advise. I saw those same photos of rose gardens so I know where your heart is. My garden still looks like a demolition zone with about 10 roses in pots waiting to go in the ground. I don't understand why it takes me all day to plant 2 roses - oh, maybe it's because I have to move out 2 or 3 plants & relocate them elsewhere and prepare those holes and lug the compost & peat & manure & shovels & water back & forth. We have chloronated city water which is bad for the microorganisms that I'm trying to encourage so I fill tubs with hose water and let it sit for 24 hours, then dip it out to each rose a gallon at a time - everyday because they're newly planted. I must really love roses! I only hope they survive. DH is investigating a rain collection system. My Mrs. B. R. Cant (only 10 days in the ground) is blooming beautifully. She's on Fortuniana rootstock and is supposed to become a 9' x 9' monster. Keep in touch. Sherry...See MoreAnyone interested in trading some rose bands or cuttings come spring?
Comments (54)Hi Alana, I appreciate being welcomed and yes, you did explain that very well. Gagal, Hi to you and glad to know that SdlM roots like a weed - this will be great for my very damaged ego after my recent disasters. Do you grow Zeffy? I am looking to put in a line of Madame Isaac Pereire, Sharifa Asma, SdlM and Grandmother's Hat right under the windows on the front side of my house. The idea is that as long we keep the windows open, the front rooms are fragrant, hopefully 9-10 months of the year. I live in 6a/6b, and I need a rose that, as another poster said about Benjamin Britten, blooms like a fool. Still chuckling about that one. Much regards and thank you for being so willing to share your knowledge and network with me. Nancy...See MoreDDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA)
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