Thanks, Cloud 9, for providing the missing link. The calendars are $12.00 each with free shipping right now. There is a sample month you can preview on the link Cloud provided.

They are also *quite* persistent in trying to get you to sign up. As someone else mentioned, it's a hard-sell, time-share condo type of deal. My mom saw the commercial and made an appointment for me (before she told me <: and initially i was open to checking it out. then did a web search read up on the dissatisfied customer postings recall consumer reports bit more wary. talk their salespeople few times mention that they are persistent called me repeatedly try get come for an appointment even after canceled.>They won't tell you what their membership fee IS, and it varies by individual showroom and area of the country. I tried to get at least a rough, ballpark figure out of them, which took several requests, but they finally said it might range from *a few hundred* up to $3000 (online reports say $7000 or so). In all fairness, it depends on how long you agree to pay for the membership -- I think they have one-month, three-month, and year-long memberships. They won't tell you what brands they carry before you go to the appointment either. It was about an hour's drive for me and gas was still pretty high, so I tried to find out as much as possible before going to the appointment -- which I ended up canceling. I'm *not* sure (can anyone else verify this?) if they will tell you before you pay, I presume they will. But if they don't have the brand of cabinets or whatever items that you want, you're out of luck. And no doubt, once you've paid for the membership, you're probably going to feel that much more obligated to go with whatever brands/styles that they're offering, since you'll want to get your money's worth out of the membership. Oh, and one other sales tactic -- they insist that you *must* sign up AT THE APPOINTMENT or you are not *eligible* (eyes rolling) to sign up later. I much prefer to be able to go home and think about a purchase rather than making one on the spot, even for much less expensive items. For an obligation of several thousand dollars? Nope, really NOT likely to decide in favor of THAT without thinking it over first, well away from the sales location and sales pressure. It's quite possible that they simply use that stipulation as another pressure tactic and will be quite happy to take your money if you call up a few days later and tell them that you've changed your mind, I don't know, but, it leaves a seriously bad taste in my mouth that they go to those extremes to begin with. Personally, while I did not go to their presentation, the hard-sell tactics turned me off before I even got there. If they have such great products and it's such a wonderful deal for their customers, why would they *need* such blatant pressure tactics?

LOL, I hear ya! I have nothing buy boys here so it would not matter if I tried not tracking dirt in. Maybe find some sort of large but not too tall plastic bin to keep outside the door on the days you are gardening a lot. Have a lawn chair and a towel near it and you can clean your feet before coming in. I however always find myself running in the house for something while gardening, normally I take my shoes off in a back room that has no a/c, but when I just want to grab something real quick, I dont bother so I end up make a mess.

vapor, I can understand that in your climate most of the old roses might be once-bloomers, whereas I'm also able to grow teas, noisettes and Chinas very well. However, polyanthas and hybrid musks are also considered to be in the category of old roses, although perhaps not of interest to you or well-known. I have no clear affinity with any one opinion because you all argue your positions so ably, and I'm afraid I fall in the camp of the wishy-washy. I know that I have an affinity for the old Austins and I thought that Austin's original mission had a touch of genius to it. Now the Austin firm is crossing one seedling with another seedling to achieve yet one more saleable rose, and that dilutes not only the original message but the ancestry of the Austin roses as well. I confess to loving and having Evelyn, but she at least is only a second-generation crossing. Bishop's Castle and other Austins I've had fall into a mid range in terms of ancestry and age, and that shows that I'm no purist. Some roses that purport to have something of an old rose look like the Kordes roses don't appeal to me because of the rather graceless form and thick, leathery leaves. I'm seeing this with my Plum Perfect roses which I would not choose again because of those qualities. None of this is very helpful in terms of what direction should be taken in the future, even assuming that Houzz would allow any deviation from what we now have. I tend to think that the best way to encourage as many people as possible to grow and cherish the old roses is to keep buying them from nurseries so that they can afford to stay in business, and to take pictures of their flowers and growth habits here and to extol their virtues and beauty here. How this is achieved in terms of formatting of the forums is perhaps of secondary importance, at least for me. My main and primary allegiance is and always will be the Antique Rose Forum because it is my spiritual home. However, I must admit that I'm promiscuous enough to admire and lust after any number of modern roses that satisfy my criteria for old rose charm. In this fraught time of climate change and ever-hotter gardens it may also come down to simply which roses will survive best in our gardens, and it will not matter whether they are old or were created yesterday. Charles Darwin may well have the last, final word with his theory of survival of the fittest, whether of roses or of man.