To be clear, I hope to plant some more next year, if not this year, and am very appreciative of these suggestions!

Lady Emma Hamilton also has a nice smell and a bush that does not get out of bounds.

Where do you garden and what are your conditions, Candace? I think you should hold a space for Jude. Isn't he getting hard to find? Mine is starting his 18th year and is usually about 9 feet tall. There is nothing like Jude. Diane

Diane, Gorgeous!! I live in Northern VA: clay and humidity. I have a spot reserved for him, and, yes, he is getting hard to find (unless you live in Australia apparently), but the problem is the wallet and the green light from the hubby at the moment. We've had a lot of expenses lately and he would definitely be a splurge right now. Im worried that I wont be able to find him in a few months-or next year as the case may be, which makes me quite sad.

Diane your Jude is out of this world =), just gorgeous. I am getting a bit concerned here after seeing these comments regarding Jude's availability. What do you all mean by he is getting hard to find? I see that he is out of stock at David Austins but is still being sold by them right? Any plans to get rid of him by Austin that I am not aware of? I gave away my only Jude and was planning on acquiring a new one when I manage to make a new garden in the future.

Candace what makes you feels concerned that Jude may not be available next year? I just checked their website and they still have it listed. Hopefully next year you can just order one directly from Austin if grafted is ok with you.

Daniela, I heard they may be discontinuing it. If it's still listed on their website, does that mean they'll have more available soon? Additinally, how did Jude grow for you when you had him? Is he worth the hype?

Candace, thank you. If you go to the David Austin website and do a search for Jude, you will find that he is out of stock, but you can sign up to be notified when he becomes available. I've seen this out of stock notice for at least a month. I was checking on several roses that were rumored to be on the chopping block. Some were available for shipping starting Jan 10, and some were out of stock. Since January, I think all of these low inventory roses are now out of stock. DA has taken years to decide what to do about Evelyn. First she's in, then she's out. Anyway, I'd sign up to be notified about Jude, if I were you.

Dianela, thanks for your comment. It sounds like you'd like Jude again. See above about signing to be notified concerning Jude. Good luck Candace and Dianela. Diane

Everyone sings Jude's praises and I'm just over here looking at mine with narrowed eyes because it's my only rose that looks like it's been absolutely ravaged by the winter cold.

As for globular blooms, I love them too. I also have Reine Victoria and Constance Spry for that same bloom form.

Jude is not particularly winter hardy, Magpie. I'd say, he is OK to zone 6 or thereabouts. I do think you're one zone too cold for this rose. I love globular blooms, too. Ascot has those--maybe not as globular as Jude, but pretty globby. Diane

"Pretty globby" 😂 Your ascot is lovely as always. Yeah I'm never going to go to any lengths to winter protect the roses, so if Jude doesn't make it then I won't be trying it again. I did email DA over it last year wondering if I should be concerned, (I complained about it at length here, took ages to break dormancy and then grew all of about 3" all season, never bloomed, blah blah) and they told me if it doesn't do well by spring then they could see about enacting their warranty. I wonder if they'll still agree to that if winter kills it. DA website claims it hardy to zone 5.

And then to ask for my money back, or choose a different rose as a replacement? Hmm.

Thanks, Magpie. I really don't think Jude is hardy to zone 5, no matter what their website says. Jude is a slow starter though, and then after a few years, really takes off--but maybe not in zone 5. The reason I'm so sure about the zone 5 thing is that we had a definite zone 5 winter in 2016-17. It was a true snowmageddon with temps at least -10F below. Jude had a lot of severe dieback with only one cane left of any size, but as the spring and summer went on, it was clear that he was gaining size pretty rapidly. It took a second hot summer for him to totally come back. Diane

2017 after previous winter

Normal year

Magpie, my experiwnce with DA honoring their guarantee has been great. I don’t think you’ll have a problem.

Every time you post that Ascot, Diane, I want it so much! Too bad it's so hard to find.

Here's my plug for 'Windermere' which has similar fragrance to Jude, but not as strong.

...and for 'Alnwick Castle', which has the strong fragrance of raspberries.

...and for 'Huntington Rose' which is has a moderate fragrance and a very unique growth habit that I really like.

Very beautiful, Nose. I'd swear Alnwick Castle was Brother Cadfael. Windemere is especially lovely. Diane

Those are so beautiful.

I heard last year that Jude was being discontinued by DA along with Munstead Wood and some other favs. He was on my list and I didn’t plan on getting him so soon but when I heard this I snatched up an own root from Heirloom Roses. I don’t think they’re offering him anymore.

Diane - I received my Jude halfway through the season and he only put out a few blooms, is he a slow starter? Yours is absolutely stunning! I hope mine can look haft as good one day.

Thanks, Lara. Jude is a slow starter, but I would think he'd grow best as a grafted rose. I hope that's not true for your plant, Your climate should make things grow faster, though. Who knows what is being discontinued by Austin. They still list many of these roses if you do a search, and you can sign up to be notified when the roses become available again. Diane

Thanks, Diane, good to know about Jude. Yes, our climate makes my roses grow as fast as weeds, especially the HT’s. I’ve found many Austin’s searching on their website that I thought they discontinued, I’m not sure why they do this. Anyway, I’m hoping to be able to put in another order this year!

Candace, I'd be tempted, if I were in your shoes, to take the plunge and get Jude. If you can convince your husband that is😉 My theory is I'd rather buy a rose than have my husband take me out for supper. With our size of family, eating out exceeds what a DA rose costs, so I'm ahead already😊 Plus the fact is that DAs don't cost much more than alot of other roses. I've even told him I'd rather choose a live rose plant, than have him bring me a florist rose bouquet that cost just as much, but is done for after a week.

@noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque) can you tell me more about Windermere? i have her in my cart right now. is she good for rebloom? is she a monster? how about huntington rose? i like both! priorities are rebloom, bloom power and smaller sizes

@CeresMer Zone 7a NJ - Unfortunately I can't tell you too much about Windermere since I've only had it for a year, and she is planted in a pot. What I can tell you from experience is that she is nearly thornless. In only her first year she was very good on rebloom. In the heat of summer the flowers open up more, and don't keep that globular shape, but that's about the same for any of the globular roses. She is much more eager to grow than Jude ever was for me, and bloomed way, way more. My photo log says that after planting on April 30, I had a flush by June 17, two flushes in July, one in August, two flushes in October, and some flowers on November 5. I have heard that the flowers blow fast, and that seems true to me, the flowers lasted only about 3 days. I can't tell you the ultimate size of the plant because mine is too new.

Huntington Rose has a fountain shaped bush, unfortunately I don't have a good photo of it. I got mine in 2017 and it was initially planted in a very poor spot, and nearly died, but after moving it to a better spot in 2019 it has steadily grown and is now about 4 feet tall. I've seen photos of her as a monster bush though. She blooms pretty steadily throughout the summer, almost never without a flower, but not a lot all at once. The flowers don't last a long time either, about 3 days is all I get. They are not good for cutting.

Here is a photo from last year, but she is about twice this size now with maybe 8 more basals growing as a fountain. When I first got her, the flowers were only about 2" in diameter, now about 3", so not huge blooms. Also, one year the flowers smelled like banana cream pie, but now they just smell like rather ordinary rose to me.

Jude has a fragrance that is changeable. It's always good but varies slightly depending on climate and soil. I don't know of any rose that has that perfume. It's complex and sometimes fruitier, sometimes sweeter, sometimes muskier. Always good. Shepherdess is a smaller bloom but nice on a tidy plant. My scepterd isle blooms more often and has a good ball shape always. The color is very good. That plant is wide and arching for me.

Keep looking for a Jude, he's a fragrance champion.

@noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque) that is a lot of flushes for such an young plant!! I dont like that she doesnt last too long... seems to be a trait of so many DAs... thank you for the info, she still seems marvelous...

The search for the perfect rose is a never-ending quest that makes the hobby endlessly enjoyable. There is no perfect rose is there?! There may be perfection in one quality, but failure in other areas. If I didn’t mention it before, Windermere has a fragrance similar to Jude’s…to my nose at least… but not as strong. But I figure that ”a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.”

@dianela7analabama - your roses are such an inspiration!

I forget his name, but some guy here posted once that Well-being is superior to Jude in many ways. The color is similar, it has a strong scent, is stronger etc.

Unfortunately Heirloom is the only vendor I could find for this rose, and they are out of stock. Another site has this, along with the elusive Augusta Louise (not Palatine), but I don't recall the name. They only ship to certain states east of the Rockies I believe.

I also got Jude from Heirloom last summer but it's still puny & only had 1 tiny flower last year. I'm hoping it's due to being own-root. I should have waited & ordered a grafted one from DA but I caved in to the email Heirloom sent that this rose will no longer be available soon. After I ordered, I saw it was back in stock at DA. Oh well.

Soozie, I hope that you're able to land a grafted Jude in the near future. I am convinced that this rose needs to be grafted to perform at its best. Diane

@Soozie Q, zone 10b If it makes you feel better, I got a grafted Jude from DA last year and I got 0 blooms out of it.

Magpie, I think we discussed that. My opinion based on 17 years of growing Jude is that he is not a zone 5 rose--zone 6 and up. Diane

Yes, but shouldn't it have bloomed at least once, being a grafted bare root that saw spring, summer and fall here before its first zone 5 winter came? I sure expected it to.

As I've said before, Jude is a slow starter. I do remember that much, but once he got going, he grew quickly. Whether mine had blooms the first year, I can't remember. He was from DA and planted by some incompetent landscapers while I was sick. The roses they planted that year had a hard time until I was able to help them. There are no guarantees, but being in a warmer zone with a grafted Jude should help. Diane

Thanks Diane & Magpie, I'll keep hoping my Jude grows this year. I know I shouldn't look eagerly every morning for the beginning of a bud, but I can't help it. My other roses are cranking out buds ready to bloom, except for Princess Charlene, another sulker.

I bought my 1st Jude over 20 years ago, on clearance at Target. That started my rose interest. It did well, but I let it die to neglect when my new burgeoning interest in tomatoes started & I needed the room in my small garden. Now I'm back full circle, I can no longer grow vegetables outside the large cage hubby built, due to the ravenous rodents. I'm slowly building my rose collection again.

‘ … like JTO?”

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6237819/nicer-tips-for-health-and-happiness-roses-that-make-you-happy note the opening post

I missed Soozie’s comment about ”some guy” - just noticed it now

Straw Chicago also sings the praises of Well-being in her recent post in antique roses. I still can't recall the man's name though. Didn't do a search here as this site is not the most compliant in such things.

shoot I just bought two Judes. I should have read this first.

I'm happy to report that my Jude has grown a lot since my last post, & has given out several fragrant blooms. He didn't let me down!

I'm still waiting for Wellbeing though, I feel I must compare the 2. If anyone can let me know where I can find it I'd appreciate it. So far, Heirloom Roses is the only vendor & "it's still growing" per their site. I've been on their contact list it seems forever, sigh...

Aaron, where did you get your Judes from?

Jude is available for $20 from https://www.areverenceforroses.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=jude&Submit=GO. I got it last year fall from them and received a very healthy plant. it is already blooming this spring. So far it had 8 blooms and has grown 2 ft x 2 ft. I did protect it for winter with chicken wire fence.

Bummer, it's already out of stock again! Was yours grafted or own root? I can't find any info on the website stating which one. Good to know about this site-thank you for sharing!

It is own root.

“The Mill on the Floss” looked cupped to me, though the fragrance is mid-strong fruity by DA.

Hey Diane, I've had my Jude for just over three years now and it grows just fine here in Portland, OR. My only real complaint is that I only get about two flushes, and only when it is cooler. Portland seems to be getting hotter and hotter summers in the last several years, and when my Jude blooms, it blows so quickly. Is this your experience with your well-established Jude? Or does it hold up better after a few more years?

I've been debating whether or not to cull it (I'm hearing gasps from the Houzz readers, haha) and replace it with a rose that performs so much better in ongoing summer heat--like Granada.

I have extreme heat here and I think Jude hangs in there as well as any and usually has a few blooms between flushes. Mine might be 7 years old or so. I would keep yours Robert.

Thanks Sheila. I've been reading all the threads on Houzz about Jude and it does seem to just be slow to develop. I saw a photo of yours in southern Oregon that looked terrific in another thread. Mine looks beautiful, no disease, but boy oh boy he waits to bloom even while all the roses around him are blooming constantly. :) Thanks for the advice!

Robert, my Jude holds up in the heat OK, sort of like Sheila's experience. But he rests lots when it's hot, which is to be expected from this kind of rose. We're experiencing our third record breaking summer in a row. And our summer's are hot, anyway. I just read that the world will be experiencing its hottest temps in 120,000 years this year. Scary. Diane