NeHelp with design feedback on kitchen layout (island or peninsula)
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Kitchen Layout help: island to peninsula
Comments (21)haha rosie, I wish! we're definitely not from a handy family (hence my cry for help here ;) We purchased a new house with this floor plan (they've just started building it). Everything looked fine on paper until I got to see the model home in person recently and my heart dropped when I realized how crammed the kitchen/bf area looked. Unfortunately the builder we purchased the house from is not very flexible (think borderline difficult). Many suggestions we offered were rejected (they won't even quote us a price), it seems any small change (especially structural changes where walls are involved) will meet huge resistance. lavender_lass, I too think they're just making up excuses regarding the french door. They first told us it's against code to have the doors open out (they have to open in). With the limited space before it wouldn't have worked anyway. Then they added the snow will somehow ruin the doors & the seal so they'd recommend against it either way. The only other door in the house is the front door. But because there is a porch, the door will be sheltered from heavy snow in the winter. Looks like not moving the fridge might not be an option due to limited space on the right wall (assuming the plan is to scale). and I try to keep the wall & features (like the sliding door) as much as possible just so the builder wouldn't get overwhelmed and give up on me ;). Here's what I think would be my best outcome. Anything more (e.g. changing the sliding door to a garden door, move the DR/kitchen door up as rosie suggested) would be bonus. Out of curiosity, would it be difficult to add the wrap window after the house is built? The builder might refuse to add windows :( Any recommendations on how big the island should be? e.g. with 3 or 4 stools? I'm assuming the bar stools will be stored under the breakfast bar most of the time, hence hidden from the FR. Any caveats on their placements as shown? i figured it'd be nice to be able to watch the FR TV (above the fireplace) from there when they're used. Thanks again for all the advice, I really appreciate it!...See MoreIkea peninsula kitchen layout design, how does it look?
Comments (15)One of my motivations for keeping the sink/range where they are is to minimize labor costs, which seem to be almost two times higher for any work (on the plus side, it's as if all appliances and materials are 50% off). For example, a quote from a highly rated (for both quality and cost) installer to just hang the stock Ikea cabinets is $2000. I plan to go with them, or just do it myself. It's a small condo, so both walls are interior walls with no exterior access. The range hood duct currently vents to the exterior through the dining area (running straight between two ceiling joists). I'm hoping to reuse the existing 240V junction box where the slide in range currently sits for both the oven and cooktop to avoid breaking into the concrete slab to run thicker wiring. Will extending the countertop overhang from 10" to 15" help with safety and usability of the cooktop? The dining area isn't large enough to really take advantage of countertop seating. To keep the range in that position: 1. Move sink supply/drain lines several feet along existing wall. 2. Buy a more expensive, larger 36" range hood. But use existing ducting. To switch the sink and range: 1. Break concrete slab to route 240V across kitchen. 2. Run plumbing and drain line around kitchen wall. 3. Modify ikea cabinets to run supply and drain lines through them (the toe kick solution looks nice, but will require elevating all cabinets). 4. Modify ceiling to extend existing range duct across kitchen, and through two joists along the wall. On another note, I will probably go with a 30" GE induction cooktop with 28.5" cutout width requirement, as it seems to be the only one small enough that can fit the 30" ikea cabinet (which has two 3/4" sides for an opening of exactly 28.5"). But I'll have the countertop opening cut slightly larger so larger cooktops could be added in the future by shaving down the sides of the ikea cabinet....See MoreFeedback on galley/island kitchen design and appliances (Miele, etc)
Comments (21)Hey folks, Thanks for all of the earlier feedback. Demolition is well underway, and we are on to framing, and in a few weeks, plumbing/electrical. I need to finalize much of the kitchen layout ahead of plumbing rough-in. So I am updating this thread with current design in hope of getting additional feedback to see if there are any issues/concerns I haven't considered. (Let me know if it's best to start a new thread given the age of this post - I opted to keep it for continuity.) Latest floorplan: Orientation: North (top of diagram): living room area (open) South (bottom of diagram): dining room area (open) West (left of diagram): deck/water view Elevation of galley wall (east) Elevation of island (west) Based on the earlier feedback, we have: Aisle width: Increased the width between the island and galley/appliance wall to 42" Prep sink: Eliminated the prep sink - there didn't seem to be a compelling reason to have two sinks with this layout, and ultimately I didn't want to give up the cabinet / drawer space that this would impinge on Cleanup/Prep zone: Instead, placed dishwasher/sink/trash receptable on island in a way that hopefully creates reasonable separation of the cleanup, prep, and cooking zones (despite the fact that the prep and cleanup zones necessarily share a sink). Dishwasher: We opted to place the dishwasher on the left end of the island so that it was close to the dining area, next to the sink, and away from the cooking area. I considered moving this a little more to the center of the island to facilitate closer proximity to dish/flatware storage, but didn't like the fact that it would likely be close to the cooktop and further from dining area (i.e. inviting more traffic into cooking areas) Sink: We opted to place this to the right of the dishwasher so that it would be accessible to the cleanup area, adjacent to the prep area but mostly out of the way of the cooking area (it is not back to back with the rangetop) Trash: We opted to place this to the right of the sink so that it was near the prep area, but accessible from the cleanup area. (I read several threads that recommended trash being closer to prep area than cleanup area) Cooktop: Centered on the galley wall, both for aesthetics and function Ovens: I looked at a lot of layout options, and ultimately opted to stack the ovens bottom to top with a 30" Convection Wall Oven (bottom), 12" Warming Drawer (middle), and 24" Convection Steam Oven (top), with the 18" (tall) microwave being placed undercounter on the island, opposite the main oven stack. (All Miele - separate thread on this). The top of the oven stack is 68.5" off the ground in this configuration, which is roughly eye level for me (6' / 72" tall). The rationale was centered around assuming that the CSO would be the primary oven so we placed that in the most optimal spot, and that it would also be best to have that higher up for safety of venting steam. We also wanted to keep the warming drawer at an accessible level. The only downside is that the 30" CO/wall oven is at a less useful height (below counter), but there wasn't a great option that we liked for placing this at waist/eye level. I considered this acceptable if this is the secondary oven. We considered putting the microwave next to the refrigerator for easier access (seems like a lot of people like that), but ultimately decided that we liked the aesthetics of the current location + the increased pantry size that this offers. Thoughts/feedback/concerns on this layout? Overall I am pretty happy and thinks it meets most of our design goals but want to see if there are any yellow/red flags in what we have planned. The only things that are giving me a bit of pause are: Aisle width - Once demo is complete I am going to try to get some boxes to mock out the 42" wide aisle to see if that feels sufficient. Taped out, it seemed fine, and from reading this forum, it seems like a good number of folks "get by" with 42" despite multiple cooks, but I know there was feedback on this thread to get this to 48" as a more standard two-cook width. To do that, I would likely take up @buehl's suggestion and reduce the walkway behind the island, and potentially the size of the island itself. But I kinda like those dimensions and chose to compromise on the kitchen aisle width a bit. Dishwasher/sink placement - is this a good placement to have a good flow for prep, cooking, and cleanup? Cabinet / drawer layout - we have a few weeks before we place the cabinet order so have time to fine tune this still, so I plan to go over this more closely next so that I can optimize the layout for my storage needs. If there is anything immediately problematic it would be good to know! Thanks in advance for any insight, everyone has been immensely helpful in helping me with planning and design of this kitchen! Joe...See MoreSmall Kitchen Layout Puzzle: soliciting design feedback!
Comments (40)@Buehl - really good points. And @mama goose_gw zn6OH - you gave us a lot to think about. We went back to the drawing board. We decided to think about keeping the wall between the kitchen and the dining room (toward the bottom of the layout). Natural light is an issue, since the kitchen only has one window, so we're cnosidering doing a cutout or transom window (arcs, to mimic some built-ins we have - pic below) for 2 feet from the ceiling to the top of the wall. That allows us to put the fridge against that wall, and open up the rest of the space. To make a prep space, we're adding a prep sink in the corner, plus 36" of space between that and the range. It only leaves 12" on the other side of the range, but we're okay with that. Then, the island is the cleanup/hangout zone, with the trash, main sink, and dishwasher. I left enough space for the countertop overhang. And on the right wall will be a 5-foot wall pantry, 12" deep, plus another 4" for the sliding doors (probably barn doors.) That leaves about 40" of walkway between the corner of the pantry to the corner of the peninsula where the dishwasher is. Feeling good about this - my partner thinks the 7 feet between the fridge counter and the peninsula might be too much, but I think it's perfectly fine given access to the prep sink in the corner. Would love any thoughts! Here is the layout: Here is what the fridge wall would look like, with the transom (still not sure how to handle the uppers but just playing with some thoughts.) And then these are the built-ins in our dining room, which right now is staged as a living room with couch/eating area - so we'd basically keep most of that wall in the right of the photo, except cut out the top couple feet....See Moreherbflavor
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