oops, in all the excitement of posting my first pics I accidentally posted in Home Decorating. Sorry. I will post (that is if I figure out how to do it again) in Kitchens. Kelly

Yes I tried the Kohler cleaner. I think I have some Method cleaner I could try. This morning I tried some old Shaklee Basic H I had but used it full strength. It did improve the situation. I don't understand all the restrictions on what to use. I would think this type of surface should be more resilient than the cleaning options they give. Maybe not things you would use every day but for once in a while when the weakling cleaners aren't cutting it.

We ended up using actual slate from MSI. The Montauk Black Slate which we bought from Home Depot. Looks great and has proved durable. No pieces flaking off, etc. Key for us was ensuring that our subfloor was constructed well enough to handle stone. Once I was confident in that, we went with true slate.

[https://www.houzz.com/products/black-porcelain-temple-jar-table-lamp-215-prvw-vr~85819634[(https://www.houzz.com/products/black-porcelain-temple-jar-table-lamp-215-prvw-vr~85819634) Size/Weight W 13" / D 13" / H 21.5" / 12 lb. Ideally, close the same height and width that came with it. Take it to a store and 'try on' shaded close to that size. Or measure the shade's height and width and shop online for something close. Pages of links for black lamp shades