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OK, fellow Houzzers…..Wolf or Fulgor Milano?

coray
last year

We are starting a total kitchen makeover (no walls will be moved, all major components will remain in their current position, but everything will be new….cabs, counters, lighting, poss. windows, range, mic and beverage fridge….hood, fridge and DW are already new), and our largest (and most expensive) piece will be a 48” range. We thought we wanted Wolf (just for performance….we’re not worried about the red knobs or its “image”), but we were introduced to Fulgor Milano (alleged better than Bertazzoni), and the specs are better than Wolf, or so it seems. (Higher BTUs, 2 fans in larger oven, better burners….) Any input, please?

Comments (27)

  • PRO
    StarCraft Custom Builders
    last year
    last modified: last year

    Why don't you do your due diligence and decide for yourself? here are the steps:

    1. Check the BBB for complaints. A major appliance company should have a rating of A+ and very few complaints, none that are unresolved.

    A BBB complaint arises only after the consumer has failed to get satisfaction from the company itself, and many BBB complaints, even if resolved, are an indication of problems with warranty claims.

    Zline, for example, generated 22 resolved complaints with the BBB in the last 12 months.-- far to many for such a small company.

    2. Read the warranty. An appliance company can trumpet ad nauseam the wonderful features and benefits of its products, but what it truly thinks about their quality, durability, and longevity is contained in the appliance's warranty.

    The shorter and stingier the warranty, the less confidence company management has in its appliance.

    Here, for example, is our appliance table for upscale residential ranges:

    • Fulgor Milano Made in: Italy Warranty 2 year parts and service; 30 days cosmetic defects.
    • Thermador Made in Tenn. Warranty: 730 days parts and service.
    • Viking Made in Miss. Warranty: 1 year parts and service; 1-year, 5-year, and lifetime parts . only depending on the part.
    • Wolf Made in Wisc. Warranty: 2-year parts and service; 5-year parts on certain components. No warranty after 2 years on other parts.
    • Zline Made in China Warranty: 1 Year parts and service; lifetime on burners. No warranty on other parts after 1 year.


    Do not just read the blurb on the company website extolling a "worry free" parts and service warranty, read the actual warranty itself to see what's excluded from warranty coverage. You may well find that not much is actually covered.

    3. Finally, read the customer reviews of the actual range you are thinking about buying. Every company makes a clinker every once in a while, and that particular range may be one of those. Disregard reviews from "I just bought it" customers. They tell you nothing but how nice it look just out of the box. Concentrate on reviews from customers who have owned the range for few years.

    For my money, however, I'd probably forgo the "pro-style" range built for home use. It is nothing more than a typical household range in a fancy stainless steel shell.

    I'd go for an actual professional restaurant range like a Vulcan. Eight burners with s 30,000 BTU/hr output each, 35,000 BTU/hr. convection oven. That, my friends, is a true cooker, and I just saved $10,000 on the price compared to a Wolf or Thermador.

    coray thanked StarCraft Custom Builders
  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    Thank you, StarCraft….we have been reading lots, trust me!

  • opaone
    last year

    For performance - Bluestar RNB.

    More: https://bamasotan.us/the-kitchen/

    The commercial recommendation above from @StarCraft Custom Builders is exceptionally ignorant and irresponsible, especially to have come from a builder.

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    Thanks for the tips! The hood is already in place, ”infrastructure” done…it’s now just down to the range decision. I’ll keep reading and looking…..I’m finding this so difficult because A, no brand really stands out as ”really great”, B. CR says most of these brands enjoy very low consumer satisfaction, and C. literally every person out there has a different opinion! in the end, you can’t know what you’re going to get…. a great, lasting product (appliance repair people laugh at this), or a lemon. (I enjoyed reading Bamasota’s blog, but I think they’ve got a lot more $$ lying around than we do!☹️)

  • PRO
    StarCraft Custom Builders
    last year

    Sorry folks. My remarks about the pro range were intended to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously they did not come off that way.

  • opaone
    last year

    I believe the RNB is the same price range as those you originally mentioned.

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    I looked up the BlueStar….not bad. It definitely has more BTU output than Wolf, FM and many others, allows more customization…..for a price, of course. One thing I don’t like: only one simmer burner. I‘lol definitely think about it, so thanks.

  • snwbdr94
    last year

    @coray The burners on the RNB can be swapped out. If yout wanted a second simmer burner, they would be able to do that for you.

  • opaone
    last year

    Also, don't get too hung up on BTU's. It's where RNB burners put the heat and how evenly that's the most important. The griddle makes a great 'linear french top' for simmering and sauces.

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    Thanks, y’all! That’s where we like the FM…..seems to have better burners for more even heat than Wolf. All their burners go from high to simmer, with a larger outer and smaller inner ring, all brass. My current range (we inherited with the house) has ONE “high” burner of 14000 BTUs…..boiling a pot of water for pasta takes 22 minutes +!!! I hate that range for several reasons, but that’s why I’m concerned with BTUs a bit. At this point anything will be an improvement!

  • snwbdr94
    last year

    I know our distributer in MN will turn on their stoves for demos if you want to see them in action. I'm sure your local distributer will as well.

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    We were at a “recommended” showroom yesterday…..they had sold a lot of floor models, what they did have was not hooked up, and they did not have Blue Star. I wish we had been able to see more, and in action, but we live in a somewhat remote area and have to drive a min of 2 hours for anything like that.

  • thompsoc75
    last year

    @coray did you decode on anything? I am struggling myself with a decision- I'm looking at just a rangetop and go between Wolf, Thermador and have recently added Fulgor Milano (which is significantly less $).

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    Thompsoc75: Well, after much back and forth, we decided to go with the FM range, as well as their microwave/conv/speed oven. Price was a factor, but not the deciding one. If Wolf had been a clear leader when I was doing my research, we would have gone with it, despite the higher price, but that wasn’t the case. The best we ever heard about Wolf was “well, you can’t go wrong with a W”, or “it’s good to have a W for resale”. I’m not buying a range to impress a potential buyer, and the FM had really good stats, so we went with it. I also don’t need a true professional range, and the Thermador with the better BTUs was even higher than Wolf. I hope we made the right decision, so🤞! Product reliability is not what it used to be, and that goes for almost all brands, so spending more won’t necessarily get you a better-made appliance, unfortunately.

  • Tony P
    last year

    coray: it’s been a while. Did you get the FM, and do you like it?

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    Hi Tony….Oh, I wish!! Absolutely ZERO has happened in our kitchen yet, though everything has been ordered (except for tile). I did get a call from our appliance store, however, and the FM has arrived safely in one piece…or so she thinks. We are still waiting for the FM mic/convection/speed oven, and the Zephyr undercounter bev fridge. As far as the kitchen (as a whole) is concerned, we probably won’t have everything in place until the end of July….and we started the process in December! And even our late July finish time is only tentative, because it all depends on shipping delays, contractor availability etc….🤞🤞🤞🤞

  • JJ Mekai
    last year

    @coray, once you've been up and running for a while, would greatly appreciate your review of your appliances.

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    Ok, will do, but but it’ll likely be end of this year, or early 2023.

  • Wendy
    last year

    I’m waiting to hear about FM as well… so hard to find reviews on them!

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    I’ll certainly share whatever experiences we will have with the Sofia, but it will be at least mid to late July before the new kitchen would be up and running. (And of course we hope to have no issues for a good while😉)

  • JJ Mekai
    last year

    @coray, thank you! I'm looking forward to your future posts.

  • coray
    Original Author
    last year

    👍Will do, JJ! Currently battling a bit of Covid (courtesy of DH being on a business trip last week)) and feeling a bit tired and light-headed (likely due to all the coughing), but I sure hope I’ll be back to normal soon and ready for our kitchen mess.😱

  • Sn Sn
    4 months ago

    Coray, Hows the FM? Are you happy with it? We got the 6 burner rangetop but our builder didnt install a larger hoodfan so am now looking for that. Hence we haven’t really used the FM ( have a second kitchen where Im making things work right now).

  • coray
    Original Author
    4 months ago

    So far, so good! We got the 48” dual fuel, and we’re finding that we’re mostly using the smaller oven, except for large cookie sheets or when we did the turkey for Thanksgiving. The burners have plenty of power, and the simmer setting also works well. (I did get a simmer plate for extra low simmer or delicate things.) What we have not yet done is really study all the features and use “specialty settings”, but I’m sure we will. One thing we’ve noticed: the knobs can be turned when brushing up against them, by walking by too closely. When we had the cabinet folks working on the kitchen, or electricians, they often brushed up against the front of the range, turning knobs. The range realizes the mistake and you’ll get an error code. The best way to clear this is to turn the breaker off for a few seconds, then wait for the range to reset, done. This does not normally happen, although my husband once inadvertently turned the oven knob, turning it down without noticing, then wondered why is cake was soupy after “baking” it for 30 minutes! Hope you’ll like yours! (Longevity remains to be seen…..)

  • Sn Sn
    4 months ago

    Okay, thank you so much for the update. Good to hear. I cant figure out what type of hood fan to get for this.

  • coray
    Original Author
    4 months ago

    We have a Vent-a-hood….Magic Lung….they are great to clean, very easy. You should get at least 900 cfms, I think….you can look this up online.