Hardiness--Devoniensis v Lamarque
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Old Roses that you have loved the longest.
Comments (20)My favorite three old roses that I am loving for a long time are Zephirine Drouhin, Rose de Rescht, and Cl. Cecile Brunner. I bought Zephirine Drouhin the first time around 10 years ago by accident (at that point I didn't even know that she was an old rose), when I was still living in Germany and growing roses on a roof top terrace. I love her for a gorgeous, very strong wafting fragrance and for the loosely-double, slightly tussled, pink blooms that occur in abundance on this rose in spring. I have seen this rose re-blooming well in Germany, and it seems to be the case that a colder climate helps with that, whereas in a very warm climate she seems to be a little bit stingy with the repeat. The color of the flowers vary in intensities from clear to a light soft pink depending on the age of the blooms, which makes this rose even more charming in my eyes. I am very happy that I am able to growing ZD here in San Diego, again. She is getting into her third year this spring and has grown quite a bit and I am expecting great things of her. Rose de Rescht was also already with me ten years ago in Germany, and I bought her already twice in California again, once in the Bay Area and now in San Diego. Besides that this rose has very cute crimson pompom like flowers, which are nestled deeply into the beautiful gray green foliage, it has an awesome, strong, warm, old rose fragrance, which makes it even more adorable. I also appreciate that the rose is making a nice round shrub by herself, which looks very pretty in the landscape. To me it is very fascinating that she is so adaptable to very different climates. She was doing really well for me in Germany. In the Bay Area in CA she became a really nice big bush. Here in San Diego my RdR is not even a year old so it is too early to judge about her, but I got some very nice blooms from her last year already! Cecile Brunner, Climbing. This rose stood out for me when I came to California 6 years ago. I saw her everywhere in CA, sometimes gigantic specimen always producing an absolutely spectacular spring flush of small blush pink flowers. The rose is relatively floriferous year round. The sheer vigor and will to live of this rose has impressed me tremendously. I also love the dainty, cute flowers and the fragrance is also not bad. Even though it is a very common rose here in CA I get never tired seeing this beautiful rose! Christina...See MoreWhich rose would you buy a raffle ticket for?
Comments (16)Thanks so much for all of your feedback, Rosefolly, you're right about M.A.C being a p.m. magnet here and easy to find so I've scratched her from my list. The idea of taking cuttings from the more rare roses is a great idea; I'll take 3 cuttings from cl. Florence Bowers' Pink Tea while I'm at it, along with 2- 3 of the following. Westside Road Cream Tea Clementina Carbonieri R. moschata cl. K.A.V. Mme. Jules Bouche (of all the H.T.s I've ever rooted this one was in the top 5 of having the highest percentage of strikes) If I have room in my rose rooting bed, I'll take a cutting from each of the roses that you've all kindly mentioned such as ' Souvenir. de Pierre Notting, Catos cluster, and Lady Hilingdon, thanks again Lux...See MoreWhich "found rose" would you like to grow next to which 'known rose'?
Comments (87)For me Grandmother's Hat is a nice rose but not one of my most frequent bloomers. She only blooms in small flushes and no more than others of my HPs. HPs in general do well here as do Bourbons. Mme Pierre Oger is a monster (from Vintage who obtained a virus cleaned clone so maybe that accounts for some of the robustness???) Bourbon, healthy as can be and blooms repeatedly. Souvenir de la Malmaison is more demure in size but also a very healthy Bourbon with very good repeat. I can't remember whether she has many thorns. However, my HP Reine des Violettes is thornless and repeats about as much as Grandmother's Hat. Another HP I have is Comtesse O'Gorman, she is quite healthy and has few thorns. GH, RdV, and COG all seem to have very flexible canes, not twiggy/stiff like what I think of as HT habit. The HP that has bloomed the most for me is Baronne Prevost. She has also never shown any disease and has flexible canes. I have an HP from Eurodesert that came misidentified as Symphony but Cliff said it clearly wasn't. It's very pretty and healthy but quite strange. Grows in a very narrow, elegant, upright shape. I don't have a single rose that has that particular growth habit. Some canes are bristley while others are entirely smooth. I wonder how many of the found roses aren't any particular historic rose but rather seedlings of them. We know that in France back in the old days if you ordered a rose with a certain name you just might get a seedling. So what do we know about very old American nurseries? What were their practices? Did they always sell the actual variety or were seedlings sent? I really don't know but am curious about it. In addition, it seems modern day roses can easily get mixed up in commerce, so I have to wonder how many times that happened in the past, and we just don't know about it. Or if someone, way back got a seedling and that rose did really, really well, it might have been passed on to friends and spread because it was such a good plant. It won't match precisely a famous antique variety because it isn't. But should be treasured because of garden merit. With roses at Sangerhausen, I wish someone or a group would visit and discuss, in depth, the ID's of roses such as Cornet and Mrs. R. Sharman-Crawford with staff. How certain is Sangerhausen that these roses are correct in their garden? Do they have documentation that helps in the ID, and can this be viewed? Were these plants growing in parts of the garden that were bombed to heck during war, or in areas that came through unscathed? Then it would be nice if DNA of GH, Cornet, and MSC could be compared to see if they are related or are any of them identical....See MoreDoes anyone have a perfect rose?
Comments (104)@Adam Harbeck I adore your Sophies, and they are stunning in their dragon pots!! I love the way petals of roses with a lot of China heritage darken as they age and produce color gradients. I’ll bet Jeri admires your Sophies, too. Sophie looks like exactly the kind of gorgeous red-pink China-type rose Jeri frequently posts pics of. I wonder if Sophie would resist blackspot in my area. My region is a far cry from Australia. I wish I could smell her. Sophie’s scent must be coming from her Bourbon ancestry. Bourbons got the fragrance for sure! Carol...See Morelplantagenet7AVA
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