Also I would love pictures, if you have any, as well! This will be grown near a Cloud 10 and an Eden so I'm trying to decide if I should go with another white climber or mix it up.

I can't imagine it reaching anything like 20 feet in any direction, here in the PNW. I grew it for many years (It was killed in the 2014 Polar Vortex) and it never exceeded 5 feet tall and 8 feet wide.

Thing is, I can't imagine BB going 20-ft. UP. It really wants to be a low, arching Shrub.

Here, you see it in the Historic Rose Garden of the Sacramento City Cemetery, where low arches of rebar have been used to pull it over (above, not touching) a large headstone.

This, I think, is BB at it's best.

I have a cutting from this, but it definitely won't be near this big in my lifetime.

The Buff Beauty below spanned at least three fence sections, which would be approximately 24' total, so maybe 12' on either side of the center. Another was climbing a dwarf crape myrtle, up to about 10' and beyond, and started throwing out some very long canes -- removed because it was clearly going to totally overwhelm the tree and there was no room for it to be a shrub. Both own-root. This is zone 9b, so there's one difference. It was one of the few hybrid musks that actually bloom well here (summrs too hot for most of them - Cornelia and Felicia also do okay), but, still, there were just two significant flushes, spring and fall, and a scattering of blooms at other times.

In April, on a cloudy day:

Three years later, also in April, on a sunnier day:

Vernon Rickart just north of Charlotte NC had a magnificent Buff Beauty growing from a raised bed that was mostly sand with some additives. From a distance it looked like an old fashioned hay stack going up at least ten feet (as high as his supports went) and then coming back down (the multiflora in its parentage).

My Buff Beauty had to share space with a lot of other roses and clematis in zone 9 in CA - hot, dry summers and wet mild winters. It also grew more wide than tall. Here is a pic - it is the gold colored rose.

Jackie

Thank you all so much, so many beautiful pictures. I ended up buying it but decided after reading responses to use in on an arch which would suit it smaller size and nodding blooms.

I would still.love additional insight and pictures.

Hutchae84, in my inner city Portland garden with annual pruning, my almost 20-year-old own root ‘BB‘ is about 9-10’ tall and 9-10’ wide. It is at max size now. ‘BB‘ makes an excellent arch-trained rose or a beautiful wide climber on a couple trellises or a fence in this area of the PNW. Looking for pics…. Carol

P.S. Congrats on your ‘BB‘! It’s a gorgeous vintage rose!! I am also trying Paul’s ‘Jeri Jennings’ for the first time. It is very young but already fabulous! Hybrid Musks have always grown really well for me in this region. Highly recommend them!

Here is mine maybe 5 years old. Not very large. Not much rebloom yet.

Sheila, my guess is that in another 3-5 years, yours will be not just the buff-gold beauty that it is now but a full on and extended blooming spectacular buff-gold beauty! I predict it will offer you that glorious, spring flush plus clusters of blooms all summer plus a lovely, smaller fall flush. This is a rose that, in my OR experience, really opens up at around 8 years or so. Then….wow! My Bourbon ‘Zephirine Drouhin‘ evolved similarly to my ’BB’. Now she always has some blooms (barring our Death Valley summer temps), and she gives me a huge spring and small fall flush every year. Your amazing Tea photos have improved my patience with that slow to mature but exquisite class. My ‘Duchesse de Brabant’ seemed to take FOREVER to fill out, but patience has its rosy rewards!

Gorgeous, gorgeous photos, everyone! Great thread, Hutchae84!

Carol

Thank you so much for your kind thoughts, Carol. I do have a ZD that is just sitting there too. I really appreciate your thoughts. Yes, the Teas need time too, but they are so worth it. Angry Juno is doing great.

Yay, Angry Juno! :-)

Has anyone here compared the size and vigour of own root and grafted? Most roses in Europe are bought grafted, as were my two BB. But I have seen a photo of a large BB grown from a cutting (in Denmark), so I am wondering whether it grows better as an own root?