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Gertrude Jekyll or Compte De Chabord?

2 years ago

Gertrude is a first generation offspring of CDC -- and after reading the reviews in Helpmefind, I can't say that Gert. seems to be very different than her parent.

I am most interested in what differences these two have in remontancy and health.

Has anyone grown both? Which one do you prefer and why?

Thanks, Sunny

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erasmus_gw

2 years ago

I had Compte de Chambord for awhile. It was not a strong grower. Nice fragrance. Very short plant. Gertrude is much bigger. I train my Gertrude canes horizontally , and they put out a lot of extremely vigorous laterals . I cut back the laterals. For me Gertrude will have a great spring flush, and then when many other roses are not blooming in the heat of summer Gertrude will bloom some. Then in fall it'll have a small flush.

To me the blooms have a lovely form, to die for fragrance. It does get some blackspot but on my fence I can't say it's more bs than the adjacent ones.

My old Gertrude with canes tied to other plants:

Newer Gertrude trained on fence:

I think both of these are grafted. I have an own root one which has good vigor also.

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mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
2 years ago
Comte de Chambord may be the most blackspot prone rose I've ever tried to grow. Unless you spray, or live in a very dry area, I'd recommend avoiding.
MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
2 years ago
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I've only grown Gertrude Jekyll of these two for a period of time (Gertie is five years old this year, six growing seasons).

Mine has a good flush of spring bloom with the most wonderful, pure, and full-bodied rose scent one could hope for. The blooms aren't the nicest shape or form.

She is confident in her severely prickly nature and demands respect in close quarters.

Mine is own-root from David Austin Roses USA and has just really settled in over years four to five. She now has four canes that are taller than I (5'8") that will give me some room for the inevitable die-back our extreme weather patterns and variations induce. She is decently hardy for me, but certainly not "tip-hardy".

Her rebloom is unimpressive here, and I'm not in a "hot" climate, but that's moot for me personally because Japanese beetles destroy the blooms as soon as the sepals drop.

Gertie does blackspot here, and she is currently going about half-nude, but that is a very recent development. She stayed nicely clothed most of the summer, bless her heart!

She will set hips if not dead-headed.

Comte de Chambord is an own-root addition this year that I may move to a different location from where I have it presently. I cannot comment to performance/blooming as I have not gotten blooms yet. It does have black spot as well.

*I'd recommend Bishop's Castle over dear Gertrude for floriferousness, fewer prickles, more attractive foliage, better formed "poofy" blooms, much better rebloom, and still possessing a luscious and intense "buttery rose" scent as I'd call it. Oh, and Bishop's Castle is only in its first growing season with me, and has already out-bloomed Gertie by a notable margin.*

Steven
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2 years ago
Gertrude Jekyll from 2 years old to 5 years old. (2018 & 2021)

Steven
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strawchicago z5
2 years ago
Steven: gorgeous bush-shots !! thanks for the info. on Bishop castle vs. GG. I have Comte as own-root for 10 years. It needs fast drainage, high potassium otherwise it'll blackspot, but the repeat is excellent, 3 to 4 flushes per year (depending on how much water it gets). I have 3 Comte: the one on the raised bed does much better than the one in lower ground, and the one grafted on multiflora was stingy compared to the 2 Comte as own-roots (gave it away).
MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
2 years ago
Straw: Thank you very much for the compliment and you are very welcome. We need more full shrub pictures in our lives!

Erasmus! That is absolutely stunning! Peak Gertrude Jekyll performances right there. I'm absolutely in love! You reminded me of something! Gertie did give me a modest flush mid-summer when others were resting. She budded out from where I did the "bend and snap" dead-heading at the abscission point. Thank you so much for sharing these gorgeous, fairy tale like shots.

Steven
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rosesmi5a
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2 years ago
Thank you everyone for the feedback -- and I really love the photos too. It sounds like treating either like a damask (fast draining soil, high potassium) will be helpful. And Steven, I hadn't even thought about Bishop's Castle... but now!

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