Anyone has Just Joey, Jude The Obscure or Crown Princess Margareta?
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Comments (37)Hi Strawberryhill, I got my Golden Borders from Eurodesert. I was actually on a quest for yellow at the time.;) Wandering through the gardens and looking for yellow roses to bring home. It was a VERY hot day as I recall--over 110 I believe with no shade. So a pretty good test to see what did well in that heat, and also who still looked yellow. I came upon Golden Border and recognized it from pictures on HMF. I'd previously searched Cliff's inventory and noted this rose but neglected to ask him about it as I assumed such a wonderful thing would be long sold. I was delighted to come upon it in his garden. Covered in bloom as is characteristic of this plant. There were 2 and I brought 1 home. Didn't take me long to realise I wanted the other! So I contacted Cliff and reserved the second. I think Hortico has or had it. I've never ordered from them so don't have an opinion on their plants. I brought home some other yellows that may also not be all that well known in North America. So I don't know that much about how they'd fare in zones other than mine. One of these is Eurostar which has about a gazillion names on HMF. Looks like an Austin and packs a powerful fragrance. The blooms are chalice-shaped and remind me of a bowl full of lemons. Gorgeous! It grows in a narrow, rigidly upright shape (perfect for the spot I had in mind). But it has one very big drawback--it is heavily armed, and I mean HEAVILY! The thorns are like harpoons.:( Thick, long, hard, and deadly sharp. They can slice through tough, reinforced rose gloves like a hot knife through butter. In order to remove it from its pot I had to tie a rope around one cane to pull it out, simply no safe spot to get a grip on with my gloved hands! But now that it is in the ground I love it. It will be staying where I put it permanently.;) The other one that not so much is known about in North American gardens is Emil Nolde. I didn't get to see it in flower at Eurodesert as it had just finished a flush when I came for yellows. I picked it from descriptions/pictures on HMF. It grows sort of low and spreading. It was pruned heavily back for its trip here and did start growing and budded up. But some creature ATE all the buds and I haven't seen its open flowers yet. I also got from Eurodesert some yellow species roses. I like all of them A LOT! Rosa foetida persiana to me is stunning. Love the globular flower shape and the intense yellow color. I even like the linseed oil fragrance, which I associate with happy horses munching a meal that includes flaxseeds warmed in hot water. This rose bloomed profusely at Eurodesert. It came into my garden and began growing right away and favored me with a second flush (surprise!) as some say it is a once-bloomer (not here!). Another is Rosa alabukensis. Cute beyond words. Single yellow fading to cream. It grows as a small rounded mound. Produces pretty red to black hips. Very prickly and suckers happily. Pretty, small, dark green foliage. It also surprised me after I planted it here with a solitary late bloom in July, so I wonder at the potential to rebloom (maybe I can do more to make it happy). Smells of linseed oil plus something sweet. One of my favorites, so I intend to encourage it to sucker and give me more pups! Supposedly from Russia, and depending on where that might mean it could handle more cold than in my area. A nursery in Canada carries it I think (Brentwood Bay). I also brought home Rosa xanthina. It is a graceful, large species with single yellow flowers. Plentiful small foliage. Melissa...See MoreJust purchased a bunch of roses from heirloom!
Comments (20)Thank you all very much for the replies! I understand that he wanted to have only three of one variety planted 18 inches apart from each other, but I figured since he did that, what if I planted a bunch of different roses next to each other, giving a bush effect of different roses. Now that I think about it, and after all what I read from comments and saw in pictures, I definitely will not be doing that! I have a question though, let's say I plant them 2 feet or 3 feet away from each other, but I get an occasional cane that's growing into another bush, so I just cut it back to the length of the bush, or peg it or something? I have a hedge along my fence in the backyard and definitely want to grow my roses there as well, different varieties of course, and figured 2.5 feet is good enough. I can probably say my climate it similar to England, we do get real cold in the winter, however this weather has been very inconsistent lately. A week ago it was probably 10 degrees, and today it's 70. However my roses definitely don't bloom now, they are fast asleep after 2 heavy snowfalls in the past month. Also, I understand some people say some roses fade, but is there any way to prevent fading? Maybe having the rose in partial shade? With my backyard it's tough, because a majority of it is full sun, but then you have those weird spots, that will get shaded towards late afternoon as a huge honeysuckle plant on our fence blocks the sun in the afternoon. Last thing I want to mention. In the front of my house I have a long stretch of dirt, like maybe 8 feet long along the entrance to my house. I wanted to plant roses there, but it's only like 2 feet wide. I don't mind if they hang off a little because it's just my lawn on one side, and concrete on the other. The back of the stretch only get direct sun (as in, the sun touches the plant) for probably 3-4 hours from like noon to 4 pm. Which Austin's would bloom nicely in the back? I really want WS2000, jude, or golden celebration there, but at this point I want anything that will bloom nice There. I don't mind spraying or pruning. Any experiences? Thanks again guys, I will give you pictures in the spring time to let you know how it goes! This post was edited by zone6-nj on Mon, Dec 23, 13 at 21:50...See More
strawchicago z5
2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoI grew Just Joey (grafted on Dr.Huey). It's a very short hybrid tea. Bloomed best in high heat and full-sun, petals are firm and last long in the bush. It died in my zone 5 winter. I checked with Khalid who grows Just Joey in zone 9b Pakistan, and his bush is small with few blooms.
Rose park here doesn't grow Just Joey but they grow Apricot Candy, which has much better bush beauty & 3 times more blooms and deeper apricot color than Just Joey. Apricot Candy is a bigger bush than Just Joey & more blooms & with prettier and glossy leaves.
I grew Jude the Obscure (own-root) but that died 3 times through my zone 5. Jude likes it wet & alkaline & loamy soil as own-root. Jude is compact and very small as own-root, but Jude needs more water than Just Joey to produce blooms. Own-root Jude is 1.5' x 1.5' here which would be twice the size in a warmer zone.
Rose park's Jude is grafted on Dr.Huey and it had 40+ blooms in spring, but became a stingy 7 foot tall bush (only one bloom) in fall with less rain.
I have Crown Princess Magareta as own-root for the past 10 years. It's a messy octopus. It can get 10' x 5' if I don't brutally prune it after each flush down to 2 feet. It's a big waterhog, needs tons of water to produce blooms. Mine blooms well in 4 hrs. of sun. CPM can be a continuous bloomer (no pause) in a rainy climate. CPM is the messiest bush and doesn't have the bush beauty of Apricot Candy and Jude the Obscure. Below is CPM after week-long rain in spring:
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoJust Joey is easily one of the very best varieties out of the 150 or so I’ve grown. She produces 5 heavy flushes, sailing through the heat of the summer with the ability to produce tons of blooms of decent size and petal count. Every stem ends in a fat bloom and she’s very well branched. there are never blind shoots (um Kordes) or long spider canes (eh Austin). I have her in the front yard and she draws compliments from near and far for her size, productivity, unusual color and strong fruity fragrance
Jude the Obscure is a such a unique rose with a wonderful tropical fruit fragrance. He grows strong but the flowers are rather fragile and fleeting, so not at their best in the heat of summer. I still find him well worth growing.
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years ago@Diane Brakefield your Jude is amazing!!!
I have both Jude and CPM . Love both of them. Jude has the best fruity scent and unique form and color. CPM is first year for me. It has the perfect form and color.
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This is Apricot Candy as a standard. zone 9 hot and dry. this site faces west and has stucco walls on two sides. so hot! loves the heat constant bloom, good in vase, slight scent. this rose is just a wonderfulJay Zone 10B India thanked Mrs Teakettle z9Diane Brakefield
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