Kristine - yes, mine says coming soon and has Honey Dijon and Koko Loco. Maybe people should refresh their Palatine page?

Feiy - Hmmmmm....now I don't know. :) LOL

@Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b I just added several OGR thi year as baby bands so I might have something to report in a year or two 😊 of the bands, the Tea Rose Duchessse de Brabant has had the most impressive first year growth and I let her last set of buds bloom (I've been disbudding since April). Beautiful form and the fragrance is spectacular (apricot and raspberries). As a Tea rose, it is recurrent.

Of the OGR that Palatine offers, I highly recommend Madame Hardy. I'm sure you've heard me wax poetic about her. My first rose and oh, what a perfect quartered bloom and lovely classic and strong fragrance. She blooms once but for about 5 to 6 weeks and my what a show!

Thanks Carol, I will try refreshing my Palatine and see what what pops up

I will also try looking on my laptop.

I also recommend Madame Hardy and the Duchess. Madame Hardy is just wonderful across the board as is Madame Plantier.

I can’t say the Duchess has been as vigorius for me as it has been for librarian but it’s been fine amd the scent is the best out of any rose i have. Absolutely delicious.

Last year, for OGRs, I got Gerschwind Schoniste, Rosa Alba Sauveoleon, Fantin Latour and Isphahan. Gerwshwind Schoniste did not bloom but has grown into a big bush. The other 3 blooms during the first year, this year. I particularly like Fantin Latour and Isphahan. Both bloomed continuously for 6 weeks.

Here are Fantin Latour:

Rose Lai, we have the same taste! i got all of those exceot for Ispahan and i hoping to gwt that in my High Country order this year!

My Rose de Rescht lasts 3-4 days too. It is a lovely rose.

I just emailed Rachel at Palatine and get back to everyone. Perhaps someone already did but I haven't gotten through the entire thread of comments yet.

Wow that Out of Rosenheim is stunning! And Mme Hardy--the green eye is perfect! I'm really hoping my Boule de Neige will be similar. Madame Zoetmans looks stunning also! I wonder if it behaves similarly. I'm going to have to just start being a public gardener--my yard is full!

I contacted Rachel at Palatine Roses. Here is your answer to the 2022 rose list.

Chey - thanks! So good to k now that their list is updated. :) :)

Librarian - your M. Hardy is a fabulous bloomer!! And the blooms are so beautiful with the white petals and green pip. :) :)

Rose Lei - the first 4 pictures aren't all Fantin Latour are they? The 3rd and 4th look different...and to my taste are the most beautiful!

Sheila - do you think Rose de Rescht is a rose worth getting?

Carol, I think Rose de Rescht is a great rose. Mine is in one of my worst spots because of tree roots and shade but it still is healthy, grows nicely and has good rebloom. The blooms also last a long time on the bush for me

Well, they took Gipsy Boy off their list, so I guess I'm not buying from Palatine this year after all. Sigh.

I have actually found everything I want at Regans

Plus I will save on shipping by using one place

Hi Carol, yes the 3rd and 4th photos are also Fantin Latour. The blooms were more mature and fully open in the 3rd and 4th photos. Glad you like it. It seems Palatine will offer Fantin Latour again in December as well.

Rose Lai - Really? :) :) Such different looks from one rose...and they're all beautiful!! :)

Kristine - excellent! :)

Magpie - darn. How many new roses are you hoping to buy this year?

Oursteelers - thanks! I'm going to go check out Palatine's list...I may get RdR if there's not that many roses that they offer that I want. I sure would love to smell that wonderful fragrance!

@rosecanadian Ugh, I mean I don't WANT to buy 10 roses, but that's my maximum number that I'm prepared to buy. But it does seem a lot to me. I want to try so many different kinds to see in person what I like best, because I'm learning that my opinion of many flowers can be very different based on just photos versus based on seeing them in person. Also fragrances are tricky, I am sad to say that I really hated the smell of one of my roses this year, and I really didn't anticipate that! And I know in my logical brain that these roses probably aren't going anywhere anytime soon, they've been around for ages so I don't have to buy them NOW, but I still feel compelled to try them NOW. 🙄 I'm human, I suppose, is all it boils down to.

Well, I made a phone call about a certain rose, and as soon as I got off the phone I felt it: I'm already burned out by all this online shopping around. The joy has gone. I certainly can't keep it up until late December when I'm able to order, so I think I'd better just resign myself to be satisfied with the ones I decided "definitely yes" on and forget all the maybes and what-ifs.

Magpie, what are your for sure roses ?

@Kristine LeGault 8a pnw

1. Alchemist

2. Laguna

3. Raubritter

4. Jeanne Lajoie

5. Morgengrüss (if it comes back into stock, I was informed that it's not a for sure thing).

6. Constance Spry

7. Baronne Prevost

8. Enfant de France

@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) I'm really glad I smelled Ebb Tide and Double Delight in person. People love the fragrances, but I don't care for either of them. There's something to be said for doing that.

Magpie what was the smell that you didn’t like?

@oursteelers 8B PNW Polka.

I found a few Palatine roses I like but seems to me like they are not offering that many new roses like last year............there are a few I will be ordering but not the big group like I did in 2020.

Judith

Judith , I wasnt too inspired with their offering eirher.

What did you decide on ?

I wasn’t super inspired either but got to my ”three” pretty easy. THEN I decided Duchess de Rohan was a must have so I had to work a little harder to get to six.

What? , You can only do increments of 3 ?

My Navy son just left from his week long visit, so havent had time to really look at the list to decide. I will have to order as their roses are so wonderful and grow so well.........but was hoping for some unknown to the US roses to try. And its disappointing that they will not be offering the vintage David Austin roses this year. Didnt know an order needs to be in increments of 3.......but am sure I can find that many! Will probably get another Barock as I love the one I have........I notice Edmunds and Regans dont have much in the way of new ones. Forever Amber from Regans is one I want to try. Got it last year from Springhill but I lost it during our severe "Snowmageddon" last February - lost quite a few roses from that monster storm that had been delivered earlier in February that I had potted up. Dont think I will be ordering as many this year as there doesnt seem to be much in the way of new roses. No word out yet on David Austins for 2022........but if all they offer is Nye Bevan, a rather insipid pale yellow, wont be getting that.

Judith

Magpie - that's a deal breaker for me...a rose that has a fragrance that I hate. When I lived in Edmonton and grew roses in the ground, I could smell my Distant Drums all over the yard...I've never had a rose that wafted its fragrance like that...and I HATED the smell. I had to get rid of it.

You really do need about a month of staying away from looking at roses to buy. Then the joy will come back. :) :) Ooooh!!! I think that Alchemist, Baronne Prevost and Jeanne La Joie would be wonderful roses!!! A friend of mine had Enfant de France...it had a wonderful fragrance...even in the rain!!!

Well, I'm getting quite a few roses because I killed quite a few roses this year...dang.

I'm getting

- Amour de Molene

- Anastasia

- Charles de Gaulle (I loved this rose...but it died when my daughter left the garage door open for hours one really, really cold winter day)

- Crazy Fashion

- Martina Mondadori

- Parfum Tropical

- Rosemantic Pink

- Sweet Delight

- Augusta Louise

- Monte Carlo Country Club (no fragrance...but it's so beautiful that I have to get it)

- Honey Dijon

- Koko Loco (maybe)

- Comte de Chambord

I wish they had Zaide again.

@rosecanadian Well I ALREADY changed my mind about Baronne Prevost so yeah, I'd better stop looking. I'm just having a hard time. But I think I need to be stronger willed because it really just feels like terrible pressure to choose exactly the right roses, especially to go over the arch. And I'm not having fun.

Oh sorry to be confusing. The shipping is the same in incrments of three…and I can’t leave money on the table😂

I had to go look to cofirm (sorry distracted by this horrendous game) but 3-9 roses are the samw shipping!

Magpie - not having fun ordering roses. Yes, that's not right. :) :) :) You definitely need a break. :) :)

If its not fun, dont do it! We all have so many things we must do.........rose buying should not be stressful, we dont have to buy roses. Only buy what you really want - or not. I am finding I am not into buying much for 2022 as there isnt much that interests me - I think less is more for spring. I have plenty to tend to.......and the same goes for daylilies, which I love. I have plenty - going to care for what I have. Buying plants shouldnt be a chore, like laundry.

Yes, Carol, Rose de Rescht is really worth getting. I'm not sure about in a pot.

It's not that it feels like a chore, but more that I hate that I cannot know ahead of time how these roses will perform in my zone, which is harsh and cold with a lot of freeze/thaw cycles in winter and spring that are very tough on roses. Nobody around here grows the roses I'm interested in, so no real life examples. Much to my disappointment, our rose garden has no labels, so I don't know which ones are the ones doing well there. So I read and read and read about the ones I like, but to no avail, because only experience will tell me how they'll do. HMF doesn't help much since almost none of the photos are ever from Colorado. That's the frustrating part, not getting new roses, which I do enjoy.

Thanks, Sheila :) :)

Magpie maybe you could ask on https://www.houzz.com/discussions/far-north

I used to ask questions there when I grew roses in the ground. :) They mainly don't talk about the more tender roses...but if you ask directly about them...some people do grow them.

When you feel more like doing this. :) :)

Magpie, you might have a rose society or club in your area and could learn from other local people what does well for them. Or even a garden club full of people who grow a variety of plants. We have some cold zoners here that do a lot of research on roses and their pics might be relevant for you. Thinking Rosecanadian, Strawchicago, and nippstress. Celeste in New Hampshire I think it is used to post here and she had a beautiful rose garden and has posted many pictures here.

It's ok to make some mistakes picking roses. Everyone has some that didn't work out. You might check out High Country Roses in Denver. I'd think most of their plants can tolerate cold. The American Rose Society , I think has a search function to find a branch near you. Sometimes they tend to lean more towards hybrid teas and more modern roses but that might be changing and it still might be fun .

@erasmus_gw I think 90% of my roses are from High Country Roses but they certainly don't only sell cold hardy varieties. And some that the owner has recommended to be for my area don't seem to be hardy for some other Colorado growers on here not that far from . So who knows. It's okay though, after a lot of thinking on this problem, I think I found a solution and I know what rose I'm putting on the arch. And you're right about the local rose society leaning towards moderns, I've looking though their list of recommendations for this area and they're almost all quite modern, while I tend to gravitate toward the old varieties. I think I'll visit the Denver botanical gardens to see what roses they grow there, I know they have some.

I just wanted to also encourage looking into Peter Schneider's "Right Rose, Right Place" which almost exclusively describes rose performance in cold zones. I'd also *discourage* the Minnesota Tip method, which is profoundly taxing. Many northerners have mentioned success overwintering tender roses using concrete curing blankets or piling soil up over the crown of the rose.

@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) what did you decide upon for your arch? I love that you're trying out OGR! Ive been getting into them, too, and have a few once bloomers. My yard is not very large either.

@Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b Thank you, I will look into "Right Rose Right Place" 😊 I also don't know what Minnesota Tipping is but I'll be looking it up just to know.

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw I decided to shop my own collection and use a rose I already have, a new-this-year band of High Country Banshee. It's a once bloomer but makes lots of hips and supposedly has fall colored foliage, so it should keep the arch interesting even without flowers all season. My band consists of one fast growing, very whippy flexible cane. I'm thinking if I start it young, I can weave it back and forth up the arch. The identity of the rose is a mystery so the only accurate bush shot I can find is the one on HCR's website, which shows a tall, heavily arching plant that is not very shrubby at all. That leads me to believe that it can be trained up and over the arch. Plus since it is in Matt's garden and was taken as a cutting from the cemetery, I believe it will be hardy enough for the job. It's going to be my experiment, but I'm honestly so relieved to just use a rose I happen to already have.

Yes OGRs have a lot of appeal to me. Many roses here don't seem to look great in our intense dry summer heat, plus the Japanese beetles absolutely destroy many blooms by August. If my once bloomers are done by August, I don't need to worry about them swarming with beetles. Or deadheading disappointing fried blooms, as my part shade locations are already taken up. Plus I'm on the hunt for breathtaking spring flushes and intense fragrance, and I favor the bloom form of many OGRs. I really treasure my lilac and the flowering trees here because they're a once a year show. Honestly my Le Petit Prince, who has bloomed all season long, is being less and less appreciated by me as the summer goes on to a close. I think I just appreciate the anticipation leading up to a grand ephemeral display more than near-continuos repeat, I'm so ungrateful! Lol! And it has a high centered bloom which I just don't like, even though the color and fragrance are good.

Are you not liking your LPP, @Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)? I just planted mine next to Evelyn because I thought the mauve high center near the cupped apricot would form a fabulous contrast. Have you considered Florence Delattre? I'd say the color is quite similar to LPP, but has more OGR character.

@Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b I do like it, but I don't love it.

The pros are: The the color is really lovely, a real lavender and has held up very well in the heat. It has bloomed all season long. The petals are substantial and last on the bush for a decent amount of time. I really like the fragrance, fresh and bright. The stamens stay pretty and yellow for the life of the flower.

The cons: While the blooms are initially held upright, any contact with water from the sprinklers makes them hang down, sometimes breaking the necks, and they never right themselves back up after drying off. Some thrips damage, while I can live with it others might not want to. The bush shape is vase like and empty in the center, which I don't like (though this is its first year in my garden so take that with salt, as it could change). And high centered blooms, which I tried to like but just don't like.

The type of soil matter more in growing roses than planting zone and locality. Chicago Botanical Garden is 40 min. from me, but their soil is alkaline loamy soil at pH 7.4, and roses that do well for them (low-thorn Charles Darwin) is wimpy in my heavy clay.

Cantigny rose park (20 min.) from me has alkaline clay soil, but fluffier than my rock-hard-clay at pH near 8. Both rose parks grow roses grafted-on-Dr.Huey, versus my growing 145 own-root varieties.

The pH of tap water matters. My tap-water is hard-well water at pH 9. Cantigny rose park tap-water is less alkaline (it's nearer to my previous house of acidic clay & near neutral pH tap-water).

Chicago Botanical Garden has city-water & also near neutral and their leaves are dark-green, versus pale leaves at Cantigny rose park, and ultra-pale leaves with my hard-well tap-water at pH 9.

Roses that do well for heavy clay in CA also do well for me. Dr.Huey-rootstock barely thrives my heavy clay, and I have to soften my high-magnesium clay with gypsum.

A friend in alkaline clay & hot & dry Texas (not much rain) sent me her Comte (grafted-on-multiflora) since it didn't do well for her. It did EVEN WORSE in my heavy clay. I dug it up, the root shrank to smaller than a snapdragon root. In contrast, my two Comte as own-roots have gigantic roots, 10 times bigger.

My annual rainfall is near 40 inch. per year, plus six 50-gallons rain barrels. Rain here is acidic at pH 4.5, versus 5.6 on the West coast. Multiflora is known to dislike high pH and less salt-tolerant than Dr.Huey-rootstock, plus it hates my dense clay.

@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) High Country Banshee looks perfect for your arch! 💖 there is something wonderfully special about many OGR. Madame Hardy started my rose love and I suspect she will remain one of my all time favorites. The spring flush, fragrance and perfect quartered bloom are hard to beat. From what I've read here there are some other once bloomers that are just as spectacular while having a different look. Your Banshee sounds like it will be absolutely fabulous in a few years.

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw Madame Hardy is stunning. I look at it every time I go on the website. But I'm worried it will look too similar to Madame Plantier. I'm waiting for that one to bloom so I can judge how I feel about the flowers. How do the flowers of Mme. Hardy end for you? Mme. Plantier, like most albas I think, don't drop the spent flower. They brown and dry out on the bush and stay there. Which is okay as I can deadhead, but depending on how big it gets, might get difficult to do eventually.

@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) i would say most of MH's flowers drop the petals. Shaking the bush helps get off stragglers. I only really have to deadhead if we have cold rainy weather that makes the spent blooms mush. MH blooms in clusters and I've found if I do deadhead the first bloom of each cluster the following buds open larger. Oddly this year, on my huge bush I had one (one!) hip set. Which is strange because as far as i know MH is infertile and ive never seen a hip before.