Sunny, I was wondering the same thing. I wish they would post them again in their gallery. When something is on 'stories' once they're gone, they're gone. They said they will have their new catalog online September 6, so we don't have long to wait.

As for my Palatine wish list, Ascot finally, and something lavender, and almost anything Tantau, like Pink or Charming Piano.

I also noticed the David Austin account has been featuring a lot of their hot house roses. I wonder if they will be making any of those available. I'm still waiting for them to have a David Austin, Sr. Memorial Rose. I can't believe they haven't done that, yet. I think it should be something comparable to Munstead Wood - deep in color, heady in fragrance and even the thorns make it less feminine and more of a 'man's' rose.

@flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA Ascot I've seen on eBay, and gotten through both Linda at LongAgoRoses when she's not auctioning on eBay, as well as Pam at Angel Gardens. It's worth asking Linda next spring or Pam right now!

And I love the idea of a memorial rose for David Austin--I'm partial to the idea of having something like the Juliet rose renamed for him once it's out of patent (though you'd probably not want to step on the marketing of the name by renaming it).

Otherwise I like the idea of renaming one of the roses he deemed quintessentially English in character (I'm thinking Gruss an Aachen) in his name. I have no idea how that would work, but it having the qualities he sought for in a rose would in my opinion make it a fitting tribute to someone who's done so much to make such lovely roses available.

What is a hot house rose?

A hot house rose is grown in a greenhouse--they're florist roses and usually bred to do well in greenhouse conditions. Some do fare well outside of those conditions after they've run their 20 year patent course and are released to commerce, but in general they're better suited to the highly moisture and temperature controlled conditions of a greenhouse. Sometimes people are called "hothouse flowers" if they're very finicky/fussy/go to pieces.

David Austin's cut flowers are quite pricey but gorgeous. Tantau is another major developer of hothouse roses--I've worn many a piano rose as a boutonniere when gardenias weren't available.

Thanks, Aaron. I will be satisfied to wait for Palatine's Ascot. Watch, this will be the year they don't offer it. Just my luck. I'm not familiar with Angel Gardens. Must be an east coast nursery. And, Long Ago doesn't ship to the west coast.

I've read that some of the 'wedding' roses, or green house roses from DA will survive for home gardeners, but definitely not most of them. I thought it odd that they were teasing us with photos and not explaining they were not for the masses. You know how we rose gardeners are - we see one, so we must have it.

Sunny, you didn't tell us what's on your Palatine wish list.

Flowers my current Palatine wishlist:

Ascot

Black Caviar

Goldflame

Parfum Tropical

my lists are starting to get mixed up! it hard to keep track of where im plannkng to get which rose 😂

i have no idea how this list will change after the september reveal

for those who missed the Instagram story, Palatine showed us:

Wedding Piano

Roberto Alagna

Blue for You

Bliss

Ashley

Honey Dijon

Lucille Ball

Rasersaie de Chatelet

Sunny, that is a great collecion. I hope they are all available for you. From the time we start making our lists to the time we can finally order, then shuffle things around for various reasons, our lists can end up looking like scribbles. And, at some point, we have to rearrange plans for our beds to accommodate substitutions. At least, that's how it is with me.

Thanks, Sunny!! I did miss that. I can't wait to see Palatine's offerings!!

I think I'd get Honey Dijon!!!

So I haven't been keeping track of when Palatine opens for orders again. I don't have room for more roses. But.... I'm so tempted! I looked on their website and couldn't find that it said anywhere? Edit to add: Oh I see it's September 6!👍

Oh no, I regret so much looking at their inventory. Of course they have things that I want 😭 How am I supposed to fit everything?

@Ashley Smith zone 5a--isn't it December 6th? I....don't have it memorized or anything....crazy rose person like that!!

Aaron, their inventory comes out Sept 6th, ordering is Dec 6th

This way you can take your time choosing.

Diane - I love your Ascot!!! That purple color is amazing!

Kristine - and hopefully I won't change my order with that much time to deliberate over it. :) :)

Anyone know anything about how multiflora rootstock does in Colorado? I shouldn't have looked at the Palatine selection 🙈

I doubt if this is very helpful for you, Magpie, but I have alkaline soil (do you?), and multiflora does just fine here in the desert. I'm not sure why the story persists about multiflora not doing well in alkaline soil. I don't think you can generalize like that. The Ascot above is on multiflora, and I have a bunch more all from Palatine, Hortico, and Pickering back in the day. So Magpie, give it a try and see how it goes. Diane

We have pretty alkaline soil too in a neighboring state and multiflora does great for me too. I think there are pockets of places that might have difficulties but I'd definitely give it a try. Palatine sends the BEST grafted roses out there.

Cynthia

Diane thank you for posting the beautiful pictures of Ascot. it goes to reaffirm it needs to be on the must have list!

Cynthia I too have had an excellent experience with Palatine bareroots. The size is great! and oh so healthy

Alright, since ya'll twisted my arm. Sheesh. 😅

For those with fruit trees (I would give up all my roses before I give up my 2 pear and 1 cherry trees), RRD from multiflora can infect fruit trees. My neighbor also has apple and pear trees.

Among my 147 roses, the ONLY one that had RRD back in 2012 was Grandma's blessing (multiflora-parentage). Dr.Huey-rootstock has deeper root & can take hot & dry, and is not prone to RRD like multiflora.

"Rose rosette disease, also called witches-broom, is a mite-vectored viral infection. The disease also infects other native and exotic species of the rose family, including other roses, cherries, plums, apples, and pears."

https://extension.psu.edu/multiflora-rose

From below link, RRD mite can be carried by wind up to 100 meter or 328 feet (the length of a football field is 360 feet).

"It is known that this small mite (140-170 microns) feeds on the tender plant tissues and overwinters on the rose plant. The mite can move via air currents about 100 m per year and has the potential to reproduce very rapidly as it has an 8 day life cycle and can lay an egg a day. Susceptible roses infected by viruliferous P. fructiphilus develop symptoms 30 to 146 days after infection.

Microscopic examination of 52 rose varieties and R. multiflora indicate that these are good hosts for P. fructiphilus and that this species is the predominant eriophyid mite on rose."

https://roses.tamu.edu/files/2018/05/Acta-Hort-Combating-RRD-Oct-1-2017.pdf

Dr. Henry Kuska posted an article that RRD mite is temperature dependent (risk is highest in hot temp & full-sun), below link concurs:

"RRD is less prevalent on Multiflora rose growing in shade than on plants growing in full sun. It has been proposed that mites have a preference for locations with greater than eight hours of direct sunlight per day.

Rose rosette disease (RRD) was first reported on MFR (multiflora rose) in Canada in 1940. The first report of the disease in the Midwest occurred in 1968 in Nebraska. A survey conducted in 1999 reported occurrence of the disease in Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, Utah, California, Missouri, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Tennessee."

https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/multiflora-rose-and-rose-rosette-disease

Oh no! Is ordering from Palatine not until December?? Somehow I had it in my head it started in September also! Not sure how I'll wait that long. There's something very satisfying in that Pay now button when you have a beautiful rose in front of you🙄

@Ashley Smith zone 5a if that's the case, don't forget Roses Unlimited's ordering starts tomorrow with a 20% deposit.

I mentioned this on another thread...

This is what Palatine had on Facebook:

Tonight in the rose field you can feel that summer is slowing down.

Many of our garden roses customers are curious - when will our new line up be visible online? When will we start accepting pre-orders this year?

We aim to have the new line up on our website mid September?

We are not mailing out catalogues this year.

We will start accepting pre-orders for garden roses as of December 6, 2021 9:00am EST

There is no fall shipping. We will ship again spring 2022.

There are some really exciting jewels in this field and we will share more information with you over the months to come.

Night night from the roses at Palatine.

I'm caught by the phrase "really exciting jewels!!"

Me, too, Carol. My imagination went in overdrive. I also loved 'night night....' They are the dearest, most down to earth people.

Flowers - oh, so true!! :) :) Delightful!!

Well, I emailed Palatine about the only rose they had on their website that I was interested in, and they replied that they did not produce it this year. Of course. Lol.

It's also listed on the website at Greenmantle Nursery, anyone know anything about them?

Of course! Sheesh. :) What rose was that?

@rosecanadian It's called "Spectabilis"

Greenmantle is great, but old school. You have to send a form in the mail along with a deposit. I've done it myself a few times.

Magpie, I texted them as well, about Chartreuse de Parme and got the same answer, negative

Thanks for the info, @Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b

Magpie - I love the button eye!

@rosecanadian me too, LOVE button eyes, but I looked at many many websites to read about it and discovered that Palatine is the only one who claims that it's hardy to zone 5b. Everyone else seems to say that it needs it warmer. Since I'm no zone pusher I guess I'll just admire it in photos. I really want to try a rambler just because I won't truly understand their habit until I grow one, so I'm curious. I think they might fit into my garden just because I do like a more untidy, romantic kind of look.

Magpie - I think that getting a rambler is worth zone pushing. Ramblers are jaw dropping, and I wish I could grow one. :)

I'm going to try one for sure, I just need to figure out which... but if it dies back too hard every year it certainly won't be rambling anywhere haha.

I misspoke, it wasn't Chartreuse de Parme that I asked Palatine about, it was Mitsouko. So maybe Chartreuse de Parme will be back

So for the confusion.

Kristine - Mitsouko always confuses me about the name....why name a moderately scented rose after a perfume? Certainly is beautiful though. :) I hope that Chartreuse de Parme will be back. :)

Magpie - for sure. LOL

I think this is our hope. I love their idea and products. Yet, I feel like they should work more on their content. For example, they should promote their posts more and connect with their followers. As a social media manager, I know plenty of platforms they can collaborate with for a better result. For example, megafamous.com and not only, but the market is also full. It will help them have better content and audience interaction. In this way, we won't be confused about what is still in stock, their work schedule, and so on.

Regardless of what Palatine offers next season, I won't be ordering. I spent HOURS attempting to make an order, repeatedly to either lose my place in the ridiculous queue or for my chosen roses to show up as sold out after multiple attempts to check out. Unless they come up with a more workable system, I've sworn off of them. MY time is worth something, whether they acknowledge it or not. I hate to sound like a grumpy old man, but it's on them at this point.

I agree Fig, that was a frustrating experience.

Two of the roses I wanted listed as as sold out. So I picked 2 others and an hour later , the original 2 were available again

@Kristine LeGault 8a pnw Kristine, I hate to "like" your comment, lol, but I do agree the whole experience was frustrating. There's a lot more detail to my travails with their website, but a lot of it is repetitive and not very interesting! But just one example is the Ascot I first had in my cart that was "sold out", then back, then "sold out" AGAIN before I could check out...on I think the fifth or sixth attempt. This was after hovering over my computer for at least three hours at this point.

Never again.