I have never been able to see a 30" FP in person, but I have seen the 36". Only seeing the larger one doesn't help with visualizing the oven cavity of the 30" and whether it's too small. But, in person the build quality of the FP seems MUCH better to me than the Café. The oven racks in the FP are truly lovely and much better quality than the Café.

Thanks julieste, christine, and holly: thats all helpful stuff to hear about the quality feel.

I’m not sure if the FP professional christine is mentioning is the same one i looked up? Is it the model RIV3304 that is missing the warming drawer that the classics/contemporary have? so that space should be helping make up the 4 cu ft cavity while the drawer being there in the classic makes for a shorter cacity height / 3.5 cu ft oven. Visually the pro goes nearly to the floor while the classic seems to have a higher gap under/taller legs. or is the 4 inches extra depth of the pro making the oven capacity change and nothing changing in height?

its frustratingly hard to find cavity dimensions for the inside of an oven…

best of luck with the september to nov demo and rebuild! that’s fast, and i hope accurate!

Yes, it's nearly impossible to find interior usable dimensions. Based on looking at the product photos and specs, it does look like the FP professional model interior height is taller than the classic/contemporary. I found the specs do call out "usable capacity" as being 3.3 cf on the pro and 2.9 cf on the classic/contemp.

now awaiting an official response on oven inside dimensions from F&P… if i get them i will post ’em here, too.

GE pointed out that they provide interior sizing (WxHxD):

Cafe 30” Slide in Double Oven:

24 x 10-1/8 x 19-1/8 - Upper

24 x 15 x 20-5/8 - Lower

Cafe 30” Slide in Single Oven:

24 x 19-7/8 x 20-5/8

So are you leaning toward the Bertazzoni at the moment?

Yes, after much consideration, reading more reviews, watching product videos, reading user manuals, and calling preferred service providers in my local area, I think we've decided to go with the Bertazzoni 30" Professional Deluxe Induction range model. Ultimately, I don't think my husband could get past the ugly side of the Cafe range.

I would be very interested in a follow up to this once you've had a chance to use the Bertazzoni for a bit. I fell in love with the look of the Bertazzoni when we redid our kitchen 6 years ago, but couldn't find much info on it.

Because our current range is older but in excellent shape we decided to keep it, but have things wired for the Bertazzoni induction so we could possibly get it in the future.

Unfortunately/fortunately, our old smooth top keeps on keeping on.

Evan Jensen

I just came back from an appliance store that actually had a 30" FP dual fuel installed, so I was able to look at the oven since I am positive this is the same oven as the induction has. In person the oven looked plenty adequate to me as far as size. I measured it;

13" h x 25" w x 15" d

@julieste oh wow, thats excellent! thank you for sharing. Do do you recall which model line of FP it was?

I forgot to take a photo of the model #, and I think it has been there for a while so I am guessing it isn't one of the most current models. However, in appearance the door is the same as this discontinued FP induction I am contemplating buying as an old model discount on ebay. And, I see on the spec sheet I am sending you, the internal measurements are quite close to what I measured. I think though, that the company measured all the way to the back of the oven while I only measured to the front of the convection fan.

file:///C:/Users/julie/Downloads/fisher-paykel-or30sdpwix2%20(2).pdf

That does seem to be the prior version of the contemporary line they make now; different display but otherwise almost identical. So the Classic line should have the same size specs. Really excellent find. That ebay listing has been VERY tempting, for sure.

hi all - adding a spanner in the works: we just came back from taking a second look at the Bertazzoni and, well, we're torn between that and the Blomberg induction range (no longer avaialble with "feet" - the Pro model - but otherwise still with knobs and the rest is the same). Does anyone have any scoop to share on the Blomberg??

in case it's helpful, here's the link to the Blomberg product: https://www.blombergappliances.com/products/cooking/ranges/30-inch-induction-slide-in-range-bir34452ss.html

Note that the Blomberg BIR34452SS has no timed cook or kitchen timer.

@izzbudcan23 The blomberg looks super basic, so I'm not sure why it's over $3k? No menu display, racks are old school (not telescoping) kind, drawer is storage rather than warming.

@Evan Jensen yeah, i know - it's basic in terms of features, BUT it's very solid and seems well made. also, unlike the bertazzoni, there IS a preheat light to let you know when the oven is at temp. still, is there an option that you feel is better, in the "premium" category of induction ranges? @wdccruise, i'm ok without the timed-cook and timer features - i don't use those - but wonder if you have any knowledge of the blomberg itself?

@izzbudcan23 Based on my examining a gas F&P Pro / DCS 30" at the local shop, that seemed very sturdy and well built. They didn't have any blomberg to compare with on hand.

The Miele ranges are AMAZINGLY solid, and their appliances all built to last. But also very complicated on features. Which obviously don't matter to many.

The F&P seem definitely better built than the Café, but the oven is not "american sized" (ie 5+ cu ft). Still adequate from my examination.

I'd personally not want a Bertazzoni... they have limited "UI" in that there's not a lot of feedback to the user on what's happening inside. Plus there is limited lifespan experience at this point. They may be grand ranges, but I'm waiting on more time in the market.

@Evan Jensen agree re oven size - i looked at those FPs on ebay (very tempting) but the oven at <4 cubic feet is indeed on the small side. i am not feeling great about the bertazzoni either, b/c of the lack of data. well, one of these days soon i'm going to have to choose, and w all the info and input from houzzers, i feel like i'm about as well informed as i can be!

I agree with you about the timer, it's not useless but it's not important to me. The blomberg oven is less wide though ~ 22" of clear space- so check the size of your normal cookie sheet, etc. They kept the oven depth to themselves.

The thing that would both me is their range doesn't have a bridge zone for griddles or big pans that take two burners.

It you rarely need two ovens, think about a Breville countertop oven (about $150-$375 depending on features) or an Anova Precision, convection, steam, and more for about $600.

I initially ordered fhe double oven Cafe, but backlog issues brought me to the Blomberg. i saw it in the showroom, and it felt really solid and well built. even the cafe felt a little flimsier. huge fan of being completely analog, and appreciate the simple design. delivery is scheduled for two weeks from now .

Jason, I hope you'll please update us when your range arrives. I'm eager to read about your initial impressions and your experience going through the learning curve. There's so little info about Blomberg/Beko on the internet (at least in English). It will be nice to get some detailed first hand reports!

I have had a Kenmore induction range for 12+ years at home and now have a Samsung induction range in my vacation home. My personal opinion is -- induction is induction. They will basically all cook the same. Maybe you are paying for other feature on an upscale range....

I decided to consider 36" induction ranges, since we have plenty of room for one. This Verona 36" is not much more expensive than the Bertazzoni 30" pro I was leaning towards getting. https://www.appliancesconnection.com/verona-vdfsie365ss.html

Looks like a very nice range. I have not read this entire thread, however make certain your electric circuit can handle the power requirements. That unit you listed requires a 50 Amp circuit. The center hob has a rated output of 5500 watts in boost. Pretty powerful unit. combined with the other hobs and oven in use will have a serious draw on power.

I went to look at ranges again. Unfortunately, I have not been able to see the Verona range locally anywhere. I was curious about the internal height of the ovens on the Fischer Paykels vs the other ranges. Most of the ranges had ~14 inches between the top of the bottom-most rack and the top burner element. The Fischer Paykel contemporary series only had ~8-9 inches of interior height (and I believe the classic series has the same dimensions). The Fischer Paykel professional series did have a larger oven, I want to say the height was more like ~10-11 inches, but can't remember exactly. The Bertazzoni was about ~13 inches.

Christine, thanks for noting the dimensions. This is a useful thread, and I look forward to hearing which you pick and how you like it.

I'm very slowly deciding between induction ranges too and have a weakness for Bertazzoni and Fisher-Paykel, but it's hard to find information on them.

Am also curious to hear about Blomberg. I had their 24" washer and condensing dryer in my last house. Bought them despite the lack of reviews. They worked well. I did have to call their customer service number to find a tech.

Christine, this is a great thread. I just went through the same process for our kitchen remodel. I decided on the Cafe single oven; the lower oven on the doubles was so low I thought it would get irritating over time. We have 8 months, so surely it will arrive by then. Right?! Eek. We're also doing a countertop model convection microwave that will go inside a cabinet. My thought is I'll use that as a second oven if necessary. I've never had two ovens so not sure how much that will get used but a nice feature to have. I love the look of the Bertazzoni too but it doesn't have a warming drawer. I also looked at the KitchenAid but it doesn't have a warming drawer, and there were reports of melting with the self clean feature. It's hard to find a traditional looking induction range! That Verona is very nice looking.

My Kenmore Elite that I bought 11+ years ago when there were only 2 choices for induction! (Kenmore Elite, GE Profile) seems to be dead. Cooktop still working but control board for the oven is smoked and I'm told if I join the waitlist for a replacement I might possibly have it by June 1. I've been out shopping and there are not a lot of 30" induction ranges available without a wait. I'm going to look at an Electrolux ECFI3068AS this afternoon but price seems steep. Bertazzoni has a backorder and no self clean plus the small oven is a big negative. I looked at the Beko which I liked but so little data and reviews makes me hesitate. Don't really like the Bosch. I just called the dealer to find the delivery time-frame for the JennAir. No call back yet which I am not taking as a positive sign. I note Costco has the LG LSE4616ST on sale until tomorrow. Don't need or want the fancy features but it is available and soon.

I'm wondering if anyone on this thread has any updates. I don't mind waiting a month or two since I have a working stovetop and a convection microwave but can't see waiting longer than that. Appreciate the help in advance.

When I was looking recently I had thought about the LG, but saw an in-depth review that indicated the oven really bakes unevenly.

Julieste. Thank you for that feedback. I bake bread regularly so that is a problem for me. Just leaving home to look at the Electrolux and everything/anything else they have. I called the other dealer I visited on Sunday and found they are quoting 3-5 weeks on the JennAir but I'd have to go look at it again.

https://www.reviewed.com/ovens/best-right-now/best-induction-ranges

I spoke with our local appliance dealer yesterday and he sings the praises of Beko. He also said for his own home he is purchasing Thermador appliances. I don't think Thermador has an induction range though. The Thermador Freedom cooktop looks amazing. This particular appliance dealer also does repairs and the salesman said his repair person is very impressed with the temperature accuracy on the Thermador throughout the oven cavity.

@Christine Rhinehart, have you purchased your range? Which one did you choose?

@Lee Picard did you see an electrolux in person after all? what were your impresssions?

After a long pandemic pause, we are looking at induction ranges again and have decided that the F&P oven is too internally short in height on everything except the Pro line, but that there’s too much needless digital fluff in that one’s brain.

Are now looking mostly at 30” Electrolux. I did consider 30” Dacor, because fhey have 5 elements instead of the usual 4 on top. But their reviews are exceedingly spotty and bad for part availability after 5 years or more, afaik. Seems to be since Samsung took over the brand.

There is an open box red Viking 5 on ebay ATM, which am also idly watching. But have read iffy things about how noisy the viking fans are.

@Evan Jensen I saw the Electrolux as a gas version. He did not have the induction on the floor. I think I ruled it out yesterday. If I felt confident the internals would be reliable and as attractive as the exterior I would go for it but after researching on line I don't trust it to go the distance without problems. Cost is $5299 plus I would buy the optional 9" backsplash they offer. I also went back and looked at the Jenn Air again yesterday. I don't understand how that and the Kitchen Aid have a warming draw that has openings to your floor. The F&P, Bertazonni, Bosch have small ovens - around 4.7 cu ft. No matter how attractive they are, just too small for me.

A few days ago I had looked at the Beko at Yale Appliance. Never heard of them but in stock. I like the way it looks. I like that it has well placed knobs and simple to operate and very important, I like the placement and size of the hobs on the cooktop. 5.7 cu ft oven. When I was looking at the Electrolux in a different store, the saleman suggested I look at the Blomberg. I declined. I should have, because what I discovered last night is that Blomberg and Beko are basically the same range (same company as Blomberg a German company was bought by the parent company of Beko. I compared the specs - yes they are!) but the Beko is $3699 and while I initially hesitated to spend that on an unknown, last night I found the Blomberg locally for $3199. I also found some positive reviews for the Blomberg so I am starting to think that might be the way to go. I can't wait 8 months for a new oven as I currently only have my stovetop and convection microwave. I was actually thinking of posting today to ask if anyone has taken the plunge on either of these ovens and saw @JJ Mekai (thank you for the feedback) posted they heard good things about the Beko and hope it was someone other than Yale Appliance. Because they are unknown they are available.

Would love feedback from anyone who can help with this decision.

@Lee Picard can I ask what you're typically cooking that the really large oven size is a concern? I've "lived" with an old 30" oven with who knows what size interior and although I've often wanted 2 ovens for temp flexibility, I've never really been concerned about the size. I love hearing more about how other people cook to expand my horizons,

All - this thread has been super helpful. After many starts and stops over too many years to count I think we're finally ready to kick off our remodel project. I wanted a Cafe double-oven, but given all the supply chain issues, I don't think that's the best option anymore.

@Lee Picard thanks for the feedback!

im also curious what you cook that needs nearly 6 cu ft of oven? i know we’ve never filled our current 5.3 cu ft gas oven.

also, you dont mention the blomberg/beko utter lack of readouts. needing a second thermo inside or not knowing the precise oven temp isnt an issue for your baking? theres no way to get very precise temps off a knob with wide gradation and no screen display of temp, id think

@Evan Jensen @chiefy A lot of food at once. Mother of 3 grown sons plus hubby - they eat a lot. Holiday time, I just stuff it all in there!! Sometimes I am cooking huge volumes if everyone is home or I'm entertaining. Not often, but when you need it you need it!

I read on a different thread that while you don't see the temp as it warms up (which I have now and it is a feature I love) that the light blinks until you reach temp then stays on and know you are at temp. I think I will have to learn to use an oven thermometer. We are spoiled by current technology. My older ovens had none of these features, but then I never fried a computer board and had to get rid of an otherwise perfect appliance! I guess it will be like going back in time!! There is no perfect solution - especially now under pressure - but I need to choose based on availability, layout of hobs/burners on top (I VERY often have two big pots on at once), reliability and price. FYI, I noticed on the Bertazzoni you get a warm to hot dial but no exact temp and I thought that was crazy!

I am going to look at the Bloomberg asap but for now assuming it is basically the same. I'll give you feedback afterwards. And at some point I just have to pull the trigger.

@lee lee, I am in the Pacific Northwest and the appliance salesman was with Dewaard & Bode. He told me one of his salesman just installed a full Beko kitchen for himself and loves it and that he wouldn't hesitate to purchase Beko but prefers the features of Thermador for himself.

@Lee Picard, should have been the tag above.

@JJ Mekai Thank you for that feedback. Really appreciate. Just called the local store that has the Blomberg. Salesman confirmed the Beko and Blomberg are basically the same product. They have sold 6 or 7 of the induction and says people who bought them are happy with them. Another great thing, they have it in their warehouse and I could get it in a couple of weeks. Carefully thinking it over

We got the Cafe 30 inch stainless steel induction (single oven model) - at a used appliance place near us (Baltimore) and it is awesome. You may want to check resale/used places - the one we got was never-used, just dusty. Saved us a ton of money also - we got the induction Cafe 30 range for 600$.

I found it by finding a white version of it in Facebook marketplace - I called to discuss and go see the white - turns out they also had stainless but hadn't priced/posted it yet. We went to see it the next morning and brought it home in my minivan.

We feel like we got the deal of the century on it - it was still factory-wrapped inside.

We had the Electrolux freestanding induction range from 2013 before - also really liked it - but the Cafe is a huge upgrade for us. The Electrolux only lasted 8 years for us - one of the circuit boards blew out. We also had the Electrolux all-fridge and freezer - fridge died, was replaced and died again over the last few years.

@Roberta Long I noticed that you only had the Electrolux for 8 years. Love lots of things about it but I question the reliability over the long haul. It pains me that I have an oven I love and I'm getting rid of it at closer to 12 years when it's in great condition because I can't get a the computer board that controls the oven. Passing on the Electrolux is the right decision.

@Lee Picard May i ask which Yale Appliance location you went to? I’m interested in these stoves too, Hanover is closest to me.

@Barrheadlass I was at the Yale Appliance in Framingham. They had the Beko, JennAir, Wolf, Miele, GE and Bosch on the floor. Interestingly, when I looked on the Blomberg website they have Yale listed as a dealer but Yale only carries the Beko. FWIW I found the Blomberg in Bedford for $3199 which is $500 less than the Beko - same stove. I did call the person I deal with at Yale and ask if they can get me the Blomberg and I haven't heard back. Also, with my own research I have learned that I can get wings (side pieces that lap over the counter so you don't get spills between stove and counter) plus a backsplash piece for the Blomberg. Since I have 4" granite backsplash and an opening in the space for the oven this is huge (also available for JennAir and Electrolux just fyi).

@Lee Picard Thank you so much for the details. Wings sound great…

Just soliciting opinions. I have not committed yet, but as I said the other day am leaning towards the Blomberg range. The in stock/original range has a storage draw which I admit I will use. My current range has the storage draw. The pro line which is identical to the Beko has legs. You lose the storage but have a better aesthetic. Would you lose the storage (which I admit I like) for the IMO nicer looking range. Would order backsplash and side wings with either option. Torn. BTW every other range in consideration has a storage/warming draw.

The eternal form vs function debate. I looked at the 2 and personally, they don’t look that much different. In your layout how visible will the legs be?
And how much will you miss the warming drawer? For actual warming? Is there enough dedicated storage space elsewhere in your kitchen? And it looks like the warming drawer puts the bottom of the oven higher than the “professional” version does. Is reaching lower a concern? And is there a meaningful difference in cu ft?

@chiefly Exactly. Form vs function. There is an island in front of the stove so not all that visible. A friend of mine just pointed out to me that easier to clean with a draw than legs as you'll need to clean under the range for the pro . The draw for this range is storage only (have a warming draw now and almost never use it except as storage for broiler pan). I have plenty of storage but nature abhors a vacuum and I'll use the space if I have it. Same cu ft. Reaching lower not an issue but after you bring that up I do note that there is a 1.5" difference in height and that gives me something else to consider. You're right. They don't look that much different. Thank you.

We ended up purchasing the Bertazzoni 36" PROF365INSXT back in Nov 2021. Our project is still in progress, so we don't have our kitchen completed yet and I have yet to use the new range. We are hoping it will be done by end of July.

I've been waiting to comment but saw Christine's comment this morning so I will update now. I did end up ordering the Blomberg induction and I have had it for about a month. Not going to lie. It came with a problem. There are two tiny lights that indicate 1) the oven is on, and 2) the oven is up to temperature. This did not work from delivery and I also can not turn the main oven light on and off using the switch. Waited a few weeks for a service call (I did not consider these major issues and was willing to wait) and now am waiting for a part. I have been cooking quite a bit a and testing the unit out thoroughly.

Here is what I've learned. I have an oven thermometer so I have used it to confirm the oven is at temp although the unit beeps three times when it is at temp (it does seem to take a long time relative to my old unit). I've baked a number of loaves of bread - yeast and quick, cookies, big casseroles like lasagne, meat, chicken and oven roasted lots of vegetables. While I am very comfortable using the bake setting I have not quite figured out the induction. I believe I have to let it come to temp and beep at me 3 times because as it heats it seems as though it gets hotter and then settles back down. It does not cook the same as my old oven though that is to be expected. More on that with the next update. Also, I do like the placement of the burners on the cooktop and the amount of room in between. With my old unit both large burners were up front. Here one is in front and the other in back. And also btw, it may have knobs but the digital indicator on the cooktop tells you the power level 1-9, P (power) or simmer so no guess work involved.

Love the way the oven looks. I did end up ordering the wings and the backsplash. Don't have either of those items yet although the wings are in but I'll wait to get both at the same time. I would almost cancel the backsplash but as my husband pointed out we don't have tile on the wall behind and that's why I ordered it. Pictures will be uploaded once it is all together. I'm not sure if this is what I would have ordered if I could have chosen anything with a reasonable delivery time but overall am happy with the unit. Feel free to ask any questions.