Tankless electric hot water heater q's... replacing tank... I think?
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Comments (8)"Does the Navien have a bypass? That's good info to know. I hadn't run into the min flow issues until they were reported in the plumbing forum - I don't live where water inlet temps would ever get to 80*. You are about the condensing units having EF's in the .90's" Jake, The Navien has no mixing bypass in the unit like the other flash units that superheat the water in the exchanger to 170-190 and then remix water downstream for temp control. That is why the copper heat exchangers with the intense heat are subject to liming. So they do have difficuties firing and staying on in minimum fire when the cold mix water is to high in temp. The Navien has 100% flow through the #436 stainless steel heat exchangers. Since the unit's heat exchanger is capable of the flow, erosion and due to velocity, along with lower operating temps it is not susceptible to liming & calcification. The pitfall of the design is a slightly wider temp fluctuation than the Jap platform heaters, but this is not noticed so much in the "A" model that buffers that with the internal tank. IMO, the "A" model is the only way to go for the approx 125-150 cost upgrade. The lack of mixing valve downstream, makes the Navien a perfect heater to add in-line to the output of a solar tank to raise the water temp only when tank is low or depleted due to usage or lack of solar input. Rinnai has just released some info on their condensing water heater, 95%. Pitfalls are still polypropylene concentric venting and a Nicaloy primary heat exchanger which to me tells me both the install and unit cost will remain high. Only one left now without a unit above 90% is the Paloma/Rheem/Ruud line....See MoreTank Water Heater vs. Tankless Water Heater
Comments (4)Guys if you read the post, the reason the tank water heater was so expensive was due to the construction required to get his house up to code. I personally like my tank heater. If your changing from a tank to tankless there is alot of work to do. Moving water lines, moving gas lines (possibly upgrading gas line size too) and running a new intake/exhaust if using gas, upgrading the main service amps if using electric. Some things to consider Tank Heater Pros Costs less to replace in the future Easier to maintain (Tank water heaters are easy to flush out every year) Easier to install (dont have to upgrade gas line or main service amps) Gas water heater will still operate in power outage (electric will still have some hot water to use for a while till power kicks back on). Cons Not as efficient as tankless No Tax Credits Hot water limited by FHR (first hour rating) Tankless Heater Pros Unlimited hot water More efficient Saves space Cons Will cost more in the future to replace (there is no guarantee the tankless will last longer than a tank version, the heat exchanger can go bad and that is the most expensive part of the tankless) , Harder to maintain (you need to try to clean those tankless heaters out every year with a descaler so they stay working efficiently) Harder to install (upgrade gas line or main service amps) Tankless heaters have a limited throughoutput. While it is unlimited hot water, it can only supply so many gallons of hot water at a time Will not operate in a power outage. A tankless water heater is controlled by electronics whether the heater is gas or electric does not matter. Requires minimum gallons per minute from city water supply, some people have not been able to install due to that problem. Consumer reports note that users complain of inconsistant water temperatures. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/heating-cooling-and-air/water-heaters/tankless-water-heaters/overview/tankless-water-heaters-ov.htm Another good site to look at: http://www.waterheaterrescue.com/pages/WHRpages/English/Longevity/tankless-water-heaters.html...See MoreReplacing 50-gallon electric hot water heater - need more hot water!
Comments (3)What is all the hot water needed for? A gas heater doesn't have to be in a well ventilated space because waste gases must be vented to the outdoors. It just needs source air and that's very easily done. Running a gas line is never a structural issue...it's a money issue. If two 50 gal units is a small fortune to operate...wouldn't one be 1/2 a small fortune? Still sound like a lot. I mean it's not like the second unit would cost 2x,4x,10x more than the first unit. That is kind of the deal if you want lots and lots of hot water on demand...it costs money. Solar can get you lots of pretty cheap hot water, at least DIY. The units you buy seem kind of expensive to me for what they are....See MoreTank or Tankless Water heater replacement?
Comments (15)Wow....sounds like my house. We live in a rural area and have well water and propane. Our propane water heater died last month it was impossible to replace it because it was a side vent water heater and we couldn’t find one anywhere. We ended up going to Home Depot and getting a tankless propane water heater. I think the cost of it was around $1500. Our home is about 2500 square feet, two stories. My husband was able to install it in 2 days. Of course it’s in the basement and had to have a side vent. They make two models one for inside installation and one for outside. We have of course the inside. According to the information on this water heater four people could take 4 showers at the same time and not run out of hot water. Since there’s just the two of us that’s not going to happen. I do however run the dishwasher and washing machine at the same time. So far so good. One thing I noticed is that it takes longer for the hot water to get where it’s called for than the old conventional propane water heater. It’s off until the hot water is called for, than it fires up and you run the water in the hot water tap waiting to flush out the cold water waiting for hot. It’s nice that it’s not on when not needed but if I could have found a water heater to replace the old one I would have stayed with the conventional. Time will tell as to whether or not we are saving on propane. The water heater we purchased was a Rheem. There is also a water filter screen on this tankless unit that should be taken out and cleaned each month. Since we are on a well this might be required more often. Our old conventional heater was set at 130 degrees. It was happy, we were happy. This tankless one needed to be set at 140 degrees. We were just not getting the hot water we needed at 130 degrees. Now it colder here than where you are we live in western Washington state, and the basement is not heated. Maybe the pipes down there are colder even though they are wrapped. Sorry this is so long I wish you the best of luck....See Morelyfia
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