Tankless electric hot water heater q's... replacing tank... I think?
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Comments (37)Saltidog, Dude, chill. I was respectfully saying you had a different opinion - not what your opinion was or that it had anything to do with the heating elements. You can disagree without being disagreeable. I do understand thermodynamics very well, thank you. There is no "trend" and no misrepresentation. Yes, the units have resistive elements as backup, for high demand situations, and when the ambient temperature gets low enough that enough heat can't be extracted using the heat pump (for geospring unit that's 45 degrees F) Saltidog, I don't know what you are getting your panties in a bunch about... yes, I understand your heater works well for you. I would expect that. It's installed in a basement that's at least 700 cubic feet of space. Because it's underground it will maintain a temperature of around 50 - 55 degrees or more if there are other heat sources in the basement. That's enough to allow the heat pump to work just fine. The water heater will work in almost all situations / applications where one would normally install a tank heater. It will even run on the heat pump in most situations. The question is when you have the water heater in a fully conditioned space (not basement) and that space is being heated. At that time, one is shifting the heating load of the water heater to the furnace - which may or may not be more cost effective. I think the water heaters are great - esp if they can work out the reliability problems (which I think are teething pains, not inherent problems). I stick by my assertion that there are three applications whereby they produce the most system efficiency / cost effectiveness....See MoreWill Need To Make A Decision On Replacing Electric Tankless Hot Water
Comments (3)Ok, You need to understand if this is a water heater issue, a mixing valve issue or something else. Just a tip, I would reduce the water temp on the heater back to 120 to prevent scalding and potentially problems with the anti-scald valve. Overly hot water could cause a tempering valve in the shower to reduce the flow of hot water to below the rate needed to trigger the tankless heater. Use a decent digital thermometer to measure the temperature of the hot water pipe a few inches from where it exits the water heater. Tape the thermometer tightly to the pipe and then wrap a rag or pipe insulation around the pipe and thermometer to keep in the heat. Now run the sink (not the shower) for several minutes. If you maintain the set temp on the water exiting the water heater then the problem is not the water heater. If it's not the water heater, I'd look at the anti-scald valve on the shower. Something else to look at is if your hot water pipes are insulated, particularly if they are in a slab. They can lose all of their heat to the slab, particularly in winter, if they aren't insulated....See MoreReplacing tank water heater with tankless style Rinnai vs Navien
Comments (37)Hi Charles Ross Homes, Thank you for your thoughtful response. My home is a 1960 single story ranch situated in a Southeast Texas. All of the homes I have owned here have had the water heater (tank or tankless) in the attic. City code permits for this install location. Not all, but many, homes in the area have water heaters in the attic. I understand about the potential leak issues - we have water leak monitoring and emergency shutoff and water collection pan/drainage in place. My garage is detached and on the Northeast side of my property. It would take quite a bit of work and cost to move the water heater (and associated gas/power) to the garage. I could consider putting the Navien on an outside wall, but that would require it to be installed on my master bedroom wall or in an unprotected area. I don't feel it would help with the sound issue anyway and there is the cost issue as well. I think the Navien NPE-240A is just not a good fit for my needs and constraints -- given its operations and operating requirements. My last instant water heater was a Noritz - put in by the previous homeowners. I never heard it operating. I'm sure it made some sound but that sound wasn't loud enough to permeate to any of the living areas. They don't make that Noritz any longer. Do you have recommendations or suggestions for a "quiet(er)" tankless system? Thanks....See MoreFeeding my 85 gallon tank water heater with a tankless water heater
Comments (16)First off let me say that is an insane amount of water, for a residential setting. Really insane for California where there is a shortage of the resource to begin with. It is an interesting idea though. I know nothing about this kind of setup. There are only two people in my home and we get along fine with 40 Gallons of water in a tank with plenty to spare. When the kids were here though we could see issues if everyone decided they wanted to shower at the same time as we do have 3 bathrooms. If I were going to attack this idea, I would put the tankless after tank. In this way (at least in theory) the tankless would only operate at full capacity once the water in the tank was exhausted? Or as the water began to cool the tankless would ramp up. That theory based on how hot the water is flowing into the tankless and whether or not the tankless would operate at a lower setting or not at all if hot water was already flowing through it. I don't know the answer to either one of those questions. As far as those rain shower heads, not a fan. I have a family member who has one, not the best shower experience I have had. To each his/her own though....See MoreRelated Professionals
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