Denver Roses 3 weeks after first bloom

mmmm12COzone5

2 years ago

This post illustrates why it is good to select cane hardy rose in the Denver area.

One of my star performers, Amiga Mia, was eating it's sign since it was getting so large.

So I had to move the sign further out.

Iceberg is also doing spectacularly. It is cane hardy also.

Will continue the rest in another post so my pictures don't get wiped out.

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mmmm12COzone5
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2 years ago

I think I'm going to try and find some shallow cut glass vintage/antique dishes to display my roses in. I like their sparkle. To experiment with different types of glass I took the following photos today. I don't actually have any antique cut glass bowls.

This one is a modern clean cut dish. Center is Iceberg. Starting at 1:00 and going clock wise, Winnipeg Parks, Iceberg, Livin Easy, Candy Land, Winnipeg Parks, Fred Loads.

This is also a modern piece but mimics what I am looking for. Left is Calico Gal, top is Iceberg, right is Amiga Mia. Bottom is Candy Land.

This gravy boat has some variations in the glass which are nice. Flower is Neil Diamond - very fragrant.

This is just a plain glass bowl. I kind of like the weird fisheye effect of the photo but in person it is just a dish. Top Candy Land, bottom Fred Loads.

They all look good with flowers in them but the ones with more character look better when sitting on the shelf empty.

I'm going to keep my eye out for vintage/antique cut glass bowls.

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Diane Brakefield
2 years ago
Yes, and I don't spray anything on my roses, though I can't guarantee there won't be bugs--ha. Earwigs, anyone? Diane
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rosecanadian
2 years ago
Yeah, I'd be afraid there would be thrips everywhere. LOL But that would be better than earwigs!! LOL
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rosecanadian,

Dainty Bess is stunner in my bowls. She doesn't last long on the bush because the beetles eat her but she is one that I saw the flowers in the green house and got based on flower beauty. The other one I think you like is Pretty Lady Rose. She is not only pretty but smells good to.

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Amazing story on your Morden Sunrise.

I am missing having a yellow rose so the next one that dies will get replaced with yellow. I'm eyeballing Moonlight Romantica and Prairie Harvest with a heavy preference for Moonlight Romantica.
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That's Dainty Bess and Morden Sunrise, which is usually like the second photo, not the darker shade in the third. Diane
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Diane: How's the scent on Morden Sunrise and does it blow fast in the heat? Thanks.
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Flowers - sounds like one tough rose!! Wow!!

mmmm - Dainty Bess is always eye-catching!! The maroon pistils and the pink petals...stunning!

Diane - beautiful Dainty Bess!!! Such charming and beautiful roses!!! Ooooh!!! The colors on the 2nd photo...wow!
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Thanks, Carol. The thing about Dainty Bess is she has these lovely flowers, but a tall, gawky growth habit. Because she strains to get sun in her imperfect spot, it's even worse--7-8 feet of gangly, straight up rose which I cut back when I can. It's another hard to reach spot, though not dangerous. Diane
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Do you hide the gawky growth habit with rose bushes in front? I love those buds!!
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There are penstemon in front of her that don't do much hiding; on one side of DB is a huge boxwood, and on the other is a huge (yes) Love Song which does some hiding of DB's legs, but makes it very difficult to get into the bed to cut back DB. It's very crowded. Both DB and Love Song are backed to the side of the house, so they get sun from just one direction, the east, and they love it. I hope to have a good pic in Sept of this very large Love Song. I never expected it to fill up this small rose bed so completely. Diane
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rosecanadian
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I always thought boxwood would be wonderful to grow as a small hedge...but it's not hardy enough for here. Sounds like yours gets quite tall? East sun is really good when we have such hot summers. Yes, I really hope you get a good fall bounty and can show us tons more pictures!!
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Carol, don't worry about a dearth of photos, even without fall. I have so many I don't know what to do with them. There are a bunch of different kinds of boxwood. The big ones we have along the side of the house are Green Mountain. The shorter rounder type we have are Green Velvet. It has finer leaves. And the big round type we have are Winter Gem. There are others and some are much smaller. In early spring they bloom with inconspicuous flowers that the bees go crazy for, and during this time, the boxwood smell especially strong of cat pee. I always imagine that out there somewhere is a hive full of honey that reeks of cat pee. Diane
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rosecanadian
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LOL!!!! You are hilarious!!! A hive full of honey that reeks of cat pee!!! Oh my goodness!! LOL Do you get more honey bees (we don't get any in my yard) or more bumblebees?

I didn't know that there are different types of boxwood. Interesting!
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Hi, Carol. I just tuned in. We get way more honeybees than bumblebees. In fact, I've been saddened to note that our bumblebee population has really fallen off over the years, and I don't know why. I wonder if your very cold winters are too much for honeybees. Has anyone ever mentioned why you don't get them? Boxwood really does smell like cat pee most of the time. It doesn't bother me, but some people don't like it. Here's a little quail story for Holly. Tonight after the big cuke sand blowout, I was relaxing watching quail TV from my rocking chair on the patio. There were a bunch of quail parents and a whole school of little ones of all sizes slowly meandering across our backyard. Quail families never take a direct route, but wander all over the place. My old geezer cat Clancy saw the families and took off after them at a Clancy pace (moderate trot is his fastest), and I yelled over and over at him to stop. I told him I would squirt him with the hose, but her wouldn't mind me--he has never minded a human. So when he staggered back after his naughty adventure, he got briefly blasted with the hose. I've never done that before, but he made me so mad, and much as the quail annoy me, I don't want the little ones panicked. They were running down the slope and all over. Of course, Clancy didn't know why I squirted him which makes it a stupid "punishment", but sometimes cats are just too catlike. Diane
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I googled bees in Calgary...and honeybees didn't come up. But, there are honeybee beekeepers here in Calgary.

Clancy, Clancy, Clancy. Good thing he's not fast. ) And, for sure, he didn't see the squirt as a punishment. LOL I love the fact that the quail get together as a group...and not just as a family. I didn't know that. :) :) I'm going to send this to Holly. Thanks for thinking of her! :)
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In Alaska carrying honeybees over the Winter was very difficult and many would restock yearly.
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mmmm12COzone5
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2 years ago
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Pretty Lady Rose is having a nice flush.

Lady in Red has been a consistent performer all summer. Have to probably not take her out as she is one that doesn't get Japanese Beetles.

Candy Land has had some blooms but this is the first time for so many at once. She died back last year but maybe this year she can hold on to some of the cane.
Diane Brakefield
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Carol, a big group of quail is called a covey, I believe. Are you having fun yet?

MMMM, you're having a wonderful show of blooms now. Did the heat affect your roses at all? I especially like the big blooms of Pretty Lady. Diane
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Diane,

I don't think so. They seem to be pretty resistant to heat. Might be because being in a rock bed they are often at 140+F.

Actually I take that back. I seemed to have more flush behavior vs continuous blooming than some other years. Amiga Mia, Parade Day and Pretty Lady Rose have been doing flushes this year. Others have always been flush bloomers. However it could be the bigger they get the more flush blooming they get. It does seem like the smaller ones always have some blooms and some of the flush bloomers seemed to be that way when they were smaller.
MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
2 years ago
mmmm12COzone5, I'm impressed Iceberg is cane hardy for you!

I've heard that for "Zone 5's", you "gain" zonage the further west you go as it gets progressively drier, and decreases further east with increasing moisture and general precipitation.

I've tried Iceberg a couple times here in the Heart of the Great Lakes, and it usually dies to the ground every year. It DOES come back, but it's feeble enough I say, "Why bother?"

I appreciate you sharing your results as we are undoubtedly in Cold Zones! I love your success stories.

So far, though still quite young, my hardiest (cane hardy is what I call truly hardy) are Reine des Violettes. Quietness, Winter Sunset, Chianti, Hansa, Sarah Van Fleet, Mary Manners, Therese Bugnet, Rosa setigera, and Rosa eglanteria. Others return relatively well, but so far, these are the cane hardy winners in my damp and cold Great Lakes garden that naturally experiences high levels of heat and humidity. Nothing like seeing blooms frying even in Michigan!

Steven
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Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
2 years ago
@MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet That's interesting! I would have assumed the opposite, as I always imagine you have more consistent snow cover than us and so your roses would do better through winter. It does get awfully cold here, but snow cover is not a given.
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2 years ago
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MiGreenThumb,

Can you post full bush pictures of all your cane hardy ones? I would love to see them in the more mature forms. It will help give me motivation to replace my non-cane hardy ones. Also it gives me an idea of where they may fit into and look the best in my rock garden bed. Thanks!

Also are yours own root or grafted?
rosecanadian
2 years ago
Mmmmm - I love your Lady in Red. Candyland and your PLR!!!! They are doing REALLY well for you!! So many luscious roses!!! I think my fave is your PLR!!! :) :) :)
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2 years ago
rosecanadian,

Pretty Lady Rose is a favorite of mine also. We have 3 of them. They are cane hardy, have a fabulous scent and big wonderful blooms.

Surprisingly the Japanese Beetles mostly ignore them. On occasion I find a few in them.

When they were younger they seemed to be more continuous bloomers. Now they bloom in flushes.
rosecanadian
2 years ago
I think I need to get a Pretty Lady Rose bush!! That's stunning!!! And the great fragrance seals the deal!!!
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MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
2 years ago
Mischievous- wouldn't you know it- I'm inland and snow cover hasn't been consistent in at least twenty years that I can recall! I wish it were. It really DOES help so much.

mmmm, I only have one cane hardy rose at maturity. It's Therese Bugnet, and I'll share pics when I get a chance, but I'm sure others on the forum are tired of me going on about her! She is own-root.
My Chianti will be four next spring, and he's been cane hardy so far and is over 6' on a few canes. He's grafted on Dr. Huey and is my ONLY good Dr. Huey rose. I'm suspecting he went own-root but I'm not digging to check, haha!

Steven
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Therese (both pink ones, two different examples of mine) and Chianti in spring and blooming.

Steven
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This is my five year old seedling raised native Rosa setigera. It got rust this year, but it's very vigorous and unaffected by it. It's rapidly putting on size now.

Steven
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Here is Chianti in front of the dilapidated shed which is next on the project list. He's rapidly reaching for the sky!

The second pic. This is hard to see because of the jumbled jungle, but it's focused mainly on Reine des Violettes.

Steven
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Also- each rose I've shared images of so far with the exception of Chianti are own-root.
This season I've added several Multiflora budded roses from Palatine and Hortico. So far, they're more impressive than most of my equally new bushes on Huey (I came to my realization Huey does poorly here late in the year). Superior performance of vigorous own-root varieties has also been noted.

My best example is David Austin's Golden Celebration. I tried Dr. Huey grafted from them directly. Died in three years. I tried it own-root from them. It died in a couple/three years. Never got above 12". All growth very thin and spindly like tooth picks or thin spaghetti. This year, I've tried it on Multiflora from Palatine. Amazing the difference. One great new lateral thicker than a pencil growing that I pinched. It budded out and branched twice. It's growing quickly. Not even behaving like the same rose at all!

Steven
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rosecanadian
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Steven - sounds like the rootstock you use really makes a difference!! Wow! And, I bet you'll be getting more roses from Palatine. :) :) Looks like your Chianti wants to be really tall...that is a really tall cane!!! Your first picture, Teresa Bugnet, is GLORIOUS!!!! I could never tire of that picture...amazing!!
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Steven. that's interesting about the Golden Celebration roses you've tried to grow. I'm sure my soil is so different from yours, but my 15 year old GC has not had a problem with Dr Huey rootstock (my favorite), but multiflora does well here, too. One of my best Austins is Tamora, purchased years ago from Pickering in Canada. Roses evolved to drive humans nuts. Everything wants to eat them, and we want to look at them without chew marks on the blooms. The least desirable roses are the ones that grow easiest. It goes on and on. I'm glad your Chianti is doing so well, and I agree about Teresa Bugnet. I'm glad your new GC is also doing well. You may have a 9 footer on your hands. Diane
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rosecanadian,

I think you will love Pretty Lady Rose. The hot weather and/or plant maturity gives the blooms a beautiful painted look. The edges of the petals are slightly lighter. Tried to capture it in this photo I took this morning.

MiGreenThumb,

Thanks for the pictures!
MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
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Diane, thank you! I wish my Huey roses were as nice as everyone else that can grow him well! I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little envious that Huey and Multiflora do well for you. (We don't have to talk about own-root Twig Darby goings-on!) My initial thoughts were simply that the scion varieties were the issue. I guess even though I'm only approaching middle age now, the years of observations I've made are finally coalescing into definitive realizations. What I had really wished to do last year was get one variety but in three different ways- Huey, Multiflora, and Own-root so I could compare side by side in the same soil, but since GC hadn't succeeded, where I had him originally, I decided to plop my Palatine Multiflora GC within two feet of said spot I tried before. So far, so good! I'm really hoping he gets BIG now!

He's one of those special varieties along with Fragrant Cloud and Medallion that my grandparents had got for me while RV'ing across the southern states years ago. Southern states enough that my Medallion was on Fortuniana! Amazingly, the Fortuniana grafted Medallion survived a couple seasons and the rootstock was very sucker prone.

Carol, oh yes! I'm so very glad I decided to order from Palatine. They definitely blow Hortico out of the water for size and quality of plants! I'm looking forward to ordering from Palatine again in the future in particular. Depending on my results in spring, I may be looking to replace all the roses I have on Huey currently with them on Multiflora instead. Sure, it's starting over, but that's got to be better than the disappointment I've been experiencing otherwise! My initial results with my Multiflora roses have me tickled pink! This year though, my Therese Bugnet has gotten those cane girdlers I suspect. The canes get a strange swelling in them, and they start to die above the swelling but will snap right off at the swollen spot. It truly is always something!

mmmm, you are very welcome. I hope to share better ones with another year of maturity in spring. We cold zoners need to support and inform each other! A couple of those fuzzy pictures I shared were taken just before sunrise when I got home after work.

Steven
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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My Hortico plants started small but grew into great plants very quickly. They had some great varieties that Palatine did not have, like Cressida and St. Cecilia.
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MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
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Thank you, Sheila! I have noticed that my smaller plants from Hortico really do seem to be taking off and putting on good size as well, but my statement refers to the plants as received. My Hortico plants were actually *slimy* and some had mold. They sent me 2 Crimson Glory's and netiher were even Grade #2! One had borers in the canes and did die, but the other one is approaching 3' feet and already produced a lovely basal break. I had an own-root CG from Roses Unlimited, and it WAS vigorous, branchy, full, and more than willing to bloom, but died out its very first winter.

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Diane Brakefield
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I agree, Sheila. Both Palatine and Hortico are good companies. I got my Augusta Luise from Hortico, so I'll be grateful for that, plus I love my little Bernstein-Rose plants. Each seller has it good points. I wonder if Hortico got its security problems straightened out. That bothered me.

Steven, good luck with Golden Celebration. I hope multiflora rootstock does the trick. GC is one of my favorite Austins and is almost always in bloom. May yours ascend to the clouds (maybe not quite). I hope you keep us informed of the experiment with rootstocks.

MMMM, your Pretty Lady rose is gorgeous. I love the light edged petals. Diane
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rosecanadian
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Diane - :) :) I love what you said: Roses evolved to drive humans nuts. Everything wants to eat them, and we want to look at them without chew marks on the blooms. The least desirable roses are the ones that grow easiest. It goes on and on.

Ooooh!!!! I love your GC!!!! The color is so pretty!!

Steven - I see what you mean about the lighter edging of PLR!! That is lovely!!! And your bush has so many blooms! LOVE!!

I agree...starting over is best. It's like knitting...you know you made a mistake...you can see it...you can ignore it, but eventually, you decide...I have to go back and fix that. Better to do it earlier than wait until you've knit for hours.

Oh rats about your Terese Bugnet!! Such a beautiful rose bush. Dang.
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Early Sept. blooms. I have been really impressed how long Candy Land (far right) keeps it's flowers. It was planted 5/20 from a High Country Roses band. Does not get many Japanese Beetles.

Winnipeg Parks (large bush next to it) has been pumping out bright pink blooms all summer. This was planted 7/19 as a band from High Country Roses. It tends to get more Japanese Beetles but keeps ahead of them with the large amount of blooms.

A close up of these 2. Left is Winnipeg Parks. Right is Candy Land with alot of aged blooms that still look good on the bush.

Details of the SE side of the bed. From left to right (those with blooms) - Neil Diamond, Pretty Lady Rose, Amiga Mia.

Details of the SW side of the bed. From left to right (those with blooms) - Dainty Bess, Iceberg, Livin Easy and Calico Gal.
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mmmmm - your roses are really blooming!!! They look great! :) :)
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That sounds like such fun to have something to hunt for! My favorite bowl and flower combination is the one on the top right. Such a cool topic!
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2 years ago
Thanks rosecanadian,

I like the more detailed one best also. We did alot of free driveway give away items this weekend. This is instead of a garage sale. I put in the ad first come first serve all free, unless they had something to trade (for which I would hold an item) and asked for cut glass bowls, figuring people probably had them laying around. But got nothing, although one promised to send pictures if I held Christmas ornaments and vases for her so I did. However no pictures came.

I did however make $50 on 4 sets of vintage flatware (two with original boxes so it was a really good deal for the person) as the person wanted me to hold them but didn't have anything to trade.

We had some good stuff and could have made some money on a garage sale but it was hot and the air was bad so I didn't want to be outside monitoring it.
rosecanadian
2 years ago
Mmmm - my husband would shake your hand. :) :) He hates selling stuff and would rather give it all away to a thrift store...which is a good thing. Good on you for getting $50...that's excellent!
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Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
2 years ago
@mmmm12COzone5 Have you checked out "Gartendirektor Otto Linne" ? HCR's photo is blah, but the photos on HMF are much more attractive. Apparently hardy to zone 4, and some good HMF photos come from a Kansas garden so it must have decent hardiness.
mmmm12COzone5
Original Author
2 years ago
Yes. I like that one quite a bit in person. It is on my short list. The flowers are similar to The Fairy which I have.