always1stepbehind

kitchen sinks....

I'm hoping to update my kitchen countertops, sink, faucet etc. in the near future. I currently have a double stainless sink...nothing fancy or expensive. Probably from Home Depot or Lowes. I do want to go to a single basin sink. Most likely stainless. I'd like a white farm house style but with trying to keep things simple, not having to cut out the front of the cabinets etc...I'll just go with a regular drop in/undermount or whatever its called, stainless.


My question is, when reading a lot of sink reviews...I see a lot of complaints that food bits get left in the sink. Like they aren't angled right, too flat so food doesn't move toward the drain. We just did a remodel in a new office here at work and I know the sink they picked wasn't cheap and I've noticed the same thing.


Is that just the nature of design with a single basin you think?


Also, what should one consider when picking out a stainless sink?

Comments (55)

  • nicole___
    12 days ago

    I buy a LOT of sinks! ♥ Ruvati, Vigo, Franke & Kraus are my favorites. I've thrown out Kohler and think anything 18gauge is crap! Only 16ga, with pads for sound dampening. I've paid as little as $125 & as much as $1000. There's a Restore in Denver with a stack of "new-in-the-box" Franke, 32" undermount SS sinks, single bowl. That would be MY pick...IF "I" was doing a remodel this minute. Should be $250. Suggested retail $1250. (They may ship, ask if you need their phone #)

    They do have a slant in the bowl to get things to move towards the drain, but it needs to be sprayed to move the junk along. Also the corners, round or square, need to be hand scrubbed. I also turn the grate over to clean it....yes YOU WANT A GRATE, it comes with one. The drawback to Franke grates...they're plastic coated and very hot water will melt the coating off, then it corrodes.


    The biggest problem you'll encounter with your BIG new sink...is getting the garbage disposal to mount under it. The shallower the sink ....the better!(No more than 10" deep)

  • Isaac
    12 days ago

    If stainless countertops are an option, you can get a sink integrated with the countertop so there is no seam or lip for crud to build up in. Or as the previous poster said, integrated sinks are possible in solid surface too. Formica counters can have a Karran sink integrated but it isn't cheap (not that the other two are cheap).


    I see a number of complaints in this forum from people who say their sink bottom is too flat to drain properly; all the older stainless sinks I have seen do not have this issue, so perhaps a salvage sink from a ReStore would be an option?

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    12 days ago

    I have a single, stainless, undermount sink with a removable grid at the bottom. After a slight adjustment period I fell in love with it. I can't imagine wanting a divided sink again. You can always use a bowl or pot or colander to separate things. The angles in mine aren't square so I don't get crud in the corners. Because of the grid I'm always turning on the spray to chase little bits. It's not a huge deal.

  • maifleur03
    12 days ago

    If anyone is intending on staying in their house I would suggest that you avoid the integrated Corian. While it has probably improved since the sink was placed in the bathroom, special order by previous owner, the surface does wear with use. You can polish it with car wax but that is not something I would like to do. The sink was put in in 1992 to give you an idea of the age.


    I lived in a house that had a three sink variation and loved it. Two sized large sinks and a smaller sink at the back at one side. It did not have a stopper only a pierced area but it was handy to toss small fruit and veggies into to wash although I mainly used it to hold used silverware.

  • chisue
    12 days ago

    I loved the smooth, integrated Corian countertop and double sinks at our Maui condo. Easy to clean with Bon Ami, and warm to the touch -- unlike the *cold* granite countertops I have at home. The only problem I had with Corian was that guests would refuse to use the cutting boards and cut right on the countertop. Corian is anti-microbal; it's used in hospitals.


    The kitchen in our first house was metal to the max. It was a quite expensive St. Charles kitchen, with metal cabinets and a stainless steel counter top and sink that was 12 feet long. I hated it -- grey, spotty, ugly. It was my *home*, not a restaurant kitchen! The origial owner (1950's) had evidently loved all that stuff. (It did have a wonderful Thermodore broiler/oven that vented to the outdoors. I could broil anything without any residual odor.)

  • always1stepbehind
    Original Author
    12 days ago

    I have a very small galley kitchen. Literally 2ft of counterspace on each side of the sink and same on the opposite side with the range. My current countertops are those laminate pieces you buy at Lowes that are supposed look like stone/granite etc. It's a drop in, mounted above so you get the yuck on the edge. Keep in mind, all this is coming up on 19 years old. I believe the plumbing is centered to the open so I think that will be an issue. I should probably take a look.

  • wcjo
    12 days ago

    While waiting to replace granite counters, we bought a Kraus Standart Pro drop in stainless single bowl sink. I was amazed that I could sweep stuff off the counter into the sink and never had crud left around the lip of sink. It was heavy duty with square shape, with a grid and nice drain included. I was sad to see it go with the new counters. I think Kraus makes a nice product drop in or undermounted. With a single bowl, I chase stuff with the sprayer every time I rinse the sink but I love the versatility with a large bowl.

  • Becky H
    11 days ago

    Kohler whitehaven comes in a short apron front sink you wont have to cut your cabinets. if you really wanted the farmhouse look.

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  • julieste
    11 days ago

    We're staying at a resort right now, and our suite has a full kitchen. From the looks of the decorating style, I am guessing the place has to have been built about 20 years ago. There is an Elkay Celebrity drop-in sink I am impressed with because it looks so shiny and clean. Yes, it's scratched, but it still looks nice after I assume at least 20 years of heavy duty use from guests. It has nice rounded corners, but I wouldn't ever get a single sink this size--21" x 16" x 7". Would be a fine size if there were another bowl but way too small if this is the only sink you have.

  • Lars
    11 days ago
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    I have Corian countertop and sinks in my bathroom in Cathedral City, and I left them in place when I renovated my bathroom. Of course this is not a kitchen, but I do like molded sinks in bathrooms

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    In my kitchen in Los Angeles, I have a white porcelain undermount sink that has a half-high divider, and so it is almost like having a single sink. I think that this is the best compromise between single and divided sinks. I particularly dislike the looks of farmhouse or Belfast sinks, as I do not like the way they break up the cabinets and countertop. I also ruled out stainless steel when I was selecting a kitchen sink, partly because they are harder to keep clean, from my experience, and partly because I prefer the look of white porcelain for kitchen sinks.

    If I were getting a stainless steel kitchen sink, I would get one like this.

    I think this one would be easier to clean, and I actually do like it.

  • julieste
    11 days ago

    vgkg Z-7 VA


    Love the sink!


    I am debating whether to use an Elkay I found on Craigslist. It's perfect for what I want for size and style (two large uneven, sized double bowls with a drainboard on one side. I cleaned it up, and it's in great shape. But, I am going for a modern look in my new kitchen and I am afraid that a drop-in will look out of place. It's the dilemma of finding exactly the sink functions I want but it's not current or stylish.


    to the OP, I'd think long and hard about replacing a double bowl with a single. I think so many of the people who complain about their old double bowls are those who had a typical builder sink with two small, equally sized bowls.

  • raee_gw zone 5b-6a Ohio
    11 days ago

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  • lily316
    11 days ago

    I have a large soapstone sink over 2 feet by 20 inches. I know you won't get soapstone but I just love a large sink compared to two smaller ones which I have had in all previous homes. Large one bowl sinks are so versatile but then everyone has their own preference.

  • cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)
    11 days ago
    last modified: 11 days ago

    Actually, we should not want our food scraps to go down the drain (this includes using the disposal). Better to compost or toss them since all that food is what leads to added nutrients and thence to all the alga bloom in our waterways after going through the waste treatment plant.

  • Elizabeth
    11 days ago

    I see no need for a double sink if you have a dishwasher. I don't even own a traditional dish rack that would have sat inside half of a double bowl sink. A larger single bowl is easier for washing the occasional big pot or griddle pan. It gives you a few more inches of counter space.

  • Zalco/bring back Sophie!
    11 days ago
    last modified: 11 days ago

    I have two large porcelain single bowl sinks. I have had zero problems with them. I do wash my sinks every time I use them. I despise double sinks. Any hand washing is done under running water- conversely, very little gets hand washed, knives and delicate glass, otherwise silver, porcelain, stainless, it all goes into the dishwasher.

  • Elizabeth
    11 days ago

    I agree, Zalco. I hand wash very few items and immediately dry them and put them away .

  • maifleur03
    11 days ago

    Personal preference but I like having two sinks. I can wash the things that need hand washing in one and rinse in the other one without diluting the wash water.

  • kevin9408
    11 days ago

    Good questions always1stepbehind and will only comment on them. Food gets stuck because of the brushed finish the sinks have. The brushing are small scratches but don't hold the food, water surface tension holds the food. The water underneath the food is trapped behind each little scratch and water surface tension is the effective cause why it sticks. Think of a glass of liquid with something floating on top and you want to pour out the floater. It gets stuck at the rim but doesn't dump until you pour faster. At that point the floater broke the water tension and flows out, and each little scratch in the sink is the rim of a glass with dozens under the floater.


    So what to look for in a stainless sink? from the example above a finer brushed finish is one if you want to reduce stuck floaters. but a trade off is any future scratches will be more visible and annoying. Even worse would be a polished finish and look horrible in a few days from scratches.


    Thickness of the sink. I will only buy a sink 18 ga. (1.024 mm) or thicker. The cheap sinks in the box stores can be 22 ga (0.64 mm) thick and easily flexed with problems sealing the strainer and around the faucets causing leaks. The thin sinks will also sound very tinny and noisy even from a dripping faucet.

    The noise, a good sink will have sound proofing on the outside of the sink.

    Finally the quality of the stainless steal. The best is 316 but expensive and uncommon. 304 grade is the most common and slightly less resistant to discoloring and corrosion but cheaper and adequate. the cheaper sinks are made from lower grade stainless and are most likely to discolor and even rust, and a magnet will stick to them, but won't stick to 300 series stainless.



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  • lisa_fla
    11 days ago

    I tecently went from a white doublesink to a stainless steel big sink when we replaced our countertops i live my new sink! i hated rubbing out smudges on the old sinks i use the dushwasher for kist dishes but always handwash knives, pots and pans , tupperware Tupperware, any vintage kitchen items Its much more roomy for big pots veryveasy to keep clean so e bits of food dont go down the drain ill help them along its still better than picking it out of the grated drain ! now i have just a center garbage dispisal drain

  • amylou321
    11 days ago

    I have a double basin stainless sink. I do not pay enough attention to it to list pros and cons. Dishes do not pile up in my sink, I tend to put them in the dishwasher as I use them.


    If I ever get round to remodeling the kitchen,I have my eye on a single basin, beautifully pink sink. It. Is. GORGEOUS. It will be mine one day..........

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    11 days ago

    "I'd like a white farm house style but with trying to keep things simple, not having to cut out the front of the cabinets etc.."




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    Elkay Quartz Luxe in Ricotta.


    Each of these has a short apron so the doors remain unaffected; the top cabinet rail is easily removed. They are some of the finest sinks on the market and dominate my sales.

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  • floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
    11 days ago

    We have an excellent dishwasher and we definitely also need a double sink. We hand wash delicate glassware and have to scour pans occasionally. We also have a canteen of silver cutlery and an entire dinner service for high days and holidays with gold bands which must not be washed in the machine. And apart from washing up, a dishwasher is no help at all when one if us is cleaning lettuce and the other is scrubbing potatoes. Or when you need to drain pasta at the same time as rinsing greens.


  • nicole___
    11 days ago



    I also LOVE apron sinks. This one I modified, by cutting 2" off the cabinet, then reassembling and gluing back together...a real hassle. It's a Kraus sink.

  • Debby
    11 days ago

    I could never have a single sink. I watch Property Brothers almost every morning with my coffee and pretty much all the make over kitchens have a single sink. I could not do that.

  • Holly- Kay
    11 days ago

    A Kohler Whitehaven farm house sink has a short apron that would work for you.

  • chisue
    11 days ago

    The apron sink would be a boon to your back if you use the sink a lot -- puts you up close to the chore.

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    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    11 days ago

    "A Kohler Whitehaven farm house sink has a short apron that would work for you."





  • lwfromny
    10 days ago

    I am a huge fan of the Kohler Whitehaven short apron front sink. Having purchased two sinks in the past few years, I paid close attention to what I did and didn’t like at my sisters’ and daughters’ kitchen sinks (as well as my own) before deciding what would work for me. Here’s what I figured out. The single bowl sinks that have the food problem tend to have (1) center drains and/or (2) water pressure that is higher or lower than typical. The center drain combines with high pressure makes the food shoot right past the drain when you rinse. High pressure plus side drain is fine. Low pressure is awful no matter where the drain is, but less of an issue with a center drain. So when choosing a sink I would also consider your water pressure.

    I selected the Kohler Whitehaven because I wanted to be able to deal with large cookware, the cast iron version is indestructible and easy to keep clean, it has a side drain, and the height is fantastic - my back thanks me every time I use it. I was worried I would mourn my double sink but I have loved the single bowl from the minute I got it - wouldn’t go back for anything. If you consider this sink don’t get the fireclay - you want the cast iron. The fireclay chips and if you have a garbage disposal the sink can craze if the flange is over tightened.

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    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    10 days ago

    "...the cast iron version is indestructible..."


    One chip in cast iron and you're dead. All that bright white with the black peeking through. Then the cast iron starts to rust and the sink self-desructs. The color goes all the way through the Elkays.

  • arcy_gw
    10 days ago

    LOVE LOVE LOVE my kitchen sink. DH installed it when we did a refresh on our kitchen. It has three compartments. Two hold a jelly roll pan lying flat and are nice and deep. The third is the perfect size for rinsing dishes and housing the disposal. It's a good thing to think this purchase through if you have the opportunity to swap yours out. It will get a ton of use and you want to it work for you--no matter what the "latest" is.

  • julieste
    10 days ago

    arcy_gw


    I'd love to see a photo of your sink. Do you know what brand it is?


    I so agree with you that people should think through what will work for them rather than just following the latest trends.

  • dedtired
    10 days ago

    Imhave a new appreciation for my kitchen sink. its a plain old undermount, single bowl, stainless steel sink. Last night when cleaning up I noticed that all the bits and pieces float down the drain because the bottom of the sink is slightly angled. Ah, its the little things in life!

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    RCKsinks Inc.
    9 days ago

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    good luck on your project!

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    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    9 days ago

    Nice sink and a perfect reveal, but the sharp 90* corners in that sink cutout put the estone top out of warranty.

  • nicole___
    9 days ago
    last modified: 9 days ago

    Joseph......I appreciate the input. My corners are always round. I did not know THAT! (I work for myself. Only on houses we own.)

  • RCKsinks Inc
    9 days ago

    I design , manufacture, distribute and give install guidance for them lol.. but installers sometimes do their own thing

    The cut out template provided calls for a 5/8 radius on all corners . This was installed in Chapel Hill NC. Not sure who the fabricator was. Shipping all over the country I found there are regional differences in the reveals as well.


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    RCKsinks Inc.
    9 days ago


    This one shows the 5/8 radius. Dover, Delaware

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    Function before style, always! We chose our downstairs bathroom sink based on looks. It doesn't drain well at all, and it shows every speck of dust and watermark. Darn.

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    I don't want to have to wash an acre of big sink when I've only rinsed a bowl that held tomato soup or a greasy plate. (I rinse in the smaller of my Big/Little sinks.)

  • always1stepbehind
    Original Author
    9 days ago

    whoa!! thanks for all the replies. I should have also mentioned my double stainless sink is a deep one, which I really like. We had a single standard depth stainless at our old office which was fine but all we washed was coffee cups etc. I definitely want a a deep sink whether single or double.


  • always1stepbehind
    Original Author
    9 days ago

    Looking at the Costco website, I didn't realize Costco sells quite an assortment of sinks, but this sinks comes with the faucet etc...they have in the store and goes on sale often, which right now it's on sale...but I have a question regarding that faucet handle set up. We have a faucet with this same exact handle in my office and the counter is CONSTANTLY wet under the handle. I even thought maybe it was leaking but I think it's just from turning if off after use and it drives me nuts. At home I currently have a two faucet high arc faucet but it' has the plate on the bottom...maybe I just don't notice the water but the water sitting on the countertop at my work is very obvious. I guess that is going to happen unless you fling the water off your hands in the sink before shutting of faucet right?


    I just used the faucet here at work and I'm thinking because we're using the water on hot and the handle is pushed back when we go to turn if off, the handle is pushed back...I think that is why the water is getting all over the countertop. Just my observation. Not sure how to avoid that.




  • wiscokid
    9 days ago

    Good way to fix that with that type of faucet is to select one that allows for the handle to face forward. There's been a few threads about this over the years and you might find some more discussion about it by searching. We mounted ours facing forward and it's great. Plus, if you have a mixed of left and right handers in your house, there's no conflict, lol.

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    Altair
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    Hello!


    Just responding to your comment:


    "I'd like a white farm house style but with trying to keep things simple, not having to cut out the front of the cabinets etc.."


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  • always1stepbehind
    Original Author
    9 days ago

    wiscokid: I just checked the one here at work and the handle can be pulled down so it's parallel to the sink and you just push it over to turn the water on, but you'd have to lift it back to get hot water. Is that what you mean by the handle facing forward?




  • wiscokid
    9 days ago

    no - I mean the lever is actually mounted facing forward - see photos on this thread:

    houzz.com/discussions/2442104/positioning-single-handle-kitchen-faucet

  • always1stepbehind
    Original Author
    9 days ago

    ohhhh....interesting. Who would have thought. Thanks for the link.

  • Lukki Irish
    8 days ago
    last modified: 8 days ago

    While reading through the posts, I didn’t see anyone mention the sink we have which is Silgranit. Its a double, one sink smaller and the other is larger for pots. Love it.

  • raee_gw zone 5b-6a Ohio
    8 days ago
    last modified: 8 days ago

    I had my faucet mounted with the handle in front - the installers thought I was nuts, had never heard of doing such a thing, but they did it and it has been great. ETA: I am sure that I got the idea here, maybe from the thread Wiscokid linked!

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