'Enfant de France'
Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
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Help me choose Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals
Comments (23)Jeri, Thanks for the feedback; I was hoping you'd write in. You must have posted your first message right when I began to write mine, and so I missed it. As to growing conditions, we have more winter chill and perhaps more summer heat than you, fog not too often during the growing season, heavy soil and perhaps not as alkaline as what you describe. It's significant that rust is practically unknown here, and blackspot isn't a major problem (though I don't like it when it shows up). Actually, when I'm not worrying about drought, landslides, (earthquakes,) and the economic policies of the Italian government, I'm inclined to think that we have a perfect environment for growing roses. (I'm beginning to think this country needs a revolution, AND all its politicians struck down by lightning from heaven: it seems the only way to get rid of them.) 'Gloire des Rosomanes' is probably available in Europe, but I don't believe is common in Italy: I don't remember ever seeing it offered for sale in this country, and no one I know has it. You bet I would like to have it. I seem to recall reading that it's confused in commerce with 'Nur Mahal', in Europe I believe. Taoseeker, Aha! Several years ago I too ordered 'Comte de Chambord', 'Mme. Boll', and 'Mme. Knorr' (from Schultheis in Germany) and ended up with what looked like three identical roses...a wonderful one, to be sure. Like you I'm wondering if there's a unique 'Mme. Knorr' in commerce. I have a fourth plant arrived from who knows where, that looks like these three, but I need to re-compare them all carefully to see whether there are differences. Thanks for reminding me of the dark Hybrid Perpetuals, a group I have no personal experience with, but consider worth looking into. I don't think 'Fantin-Latour' has much Centifolia about it either; I think it falls into the category of what Vintage calls Hybrid Bourbons. It's a wonderful rose, fragrant, vigorous, and healthy, and a pleasure just to handle. The Centifolias and Mosses generally do well for me, but I have easy conditions. With leggy plants sometimes I do have to prune harder: 'La Noblesse' is a good example, and I think I'll have to cut back 'Shailer's White Moss' more than I have in the past. This last rose, so beautiful, is showing bits of pink on a lot of its flowers this year. Suzy, after losing two purchased grafted plants of 'Hebe's Lip' (herbicide and mowing), I got cuttings in a swap and now have three plants of it growing around the property. They're young but growing fine and I'm looking forward to seeing them in their maturity. 'Coupe d'Hebe' is duly noted. Jaxondel, Okay, 'Marquis de Balbiano'; I'll keep it in mind. This is a great discussion. Melissa...See MoreWhich of these Old Garden Roses (OGR) sucker or spread?
Comments (8)"Rock roses", family Cistaceae, despite the common name, are not roses and not even that closely related, classified taxonomically as being in order Malvales, not Rosales. They are relatively short-lived shrubs (especially if there is much summer moisture) and they do not sucker. My Autumn Damask did sucker a little, but I wouldn't say it ran amok or was invasive. Some of my Portlands sucker (Rose du Roi of commerce, for one), but my Marchesa Boccella (also considered a Portland) hasn't done so yet, after 5 years. The hybrid perpetuals I have do put up canes a bit away from the base, but the expansion is very constrained, not what I call invasive (especially compared to my Gallicas and the Alba, Sappho, which are very much so). "Old Blush" -- nope....See MoreSmall Old Garden Roses for Small Gardens
Comments (47)Tenor_peggy , I spray my potted roses with milk and garlic and all the leaves look healthy even the HPs. I accept spraying because just about every plant I have (zinnias, vegetables, etc) have to be sprayed to reduce the pests and diseases. This Fall I might experiment with putting organic banana peels and cleaned eggshells (with a little cinnamon to deter ants) in the pots to see if the thin leaves will become thicker....See MoreEnfant de France?
Comments (9)I think of it as a Hybrid Perpetual. I don't grow it but saw it many years ago at San Jose Heritage Rose Garden, it does have a lovely bloom. I don't recall if it had a strong fragrance.... The Hybrid Perpetuals and Damask Perpetuals do well here, they tolerate cold very well. If you like pink heavily petalled blooms, Marchesa Boccella is a fantastic rose for a cold zone, delicious fragrance and a sturdy rose....See MoreSheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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