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Are you going to watch the funeral for Prince Phillip?

Oakley
2 years ago

This could become a hot topic so let's play nice. Team Cambridge! Just kidding. lol I have it set to record on CNN but the DTV guy will be here in the morning so I may get some of it cut off & have to watch it on youtube.


I knew it was just a matter of time before Phillip died but his death still shocked me since I'm such a royalist and have read a lot about his extended family. I feel so bad for QE2, I hope this doesn't hasten her death.

Too bad Covid is dictating everything.

Comments (38)

  • bpath
    2 years ago

    Depends on how long it lasts! I hear coverage starts at 9 here, so I might watch over my coffee. I will probably watch more so that I can commiserate with DMIL, who is from England. I think her especial interest will be in the church; she was in the choir when she was a young woman.

  • Tina Marie
    2 years ago

    No

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  • 3katz4me
    2 years ago

    another no

  • Oakley
    Original Author
    2 years ago

    Bpath, was she in the choir at St. George's Chapel? I love church choirs. We have a nice one here in an old gothic style church.

    No way can I watch the whole thing, but it's a good reason to go in the LR and sort the mess I made in the book nook while watching the service. :)

  • bpath
    2 years ago

    Oakley, I think she was! DH of course wasn’t sure, but I will be sure to ask her! I’m current,y ringing handbells for an Anglican Church here, and the vocal choir and the acoustics are quite fine. Oh my.

    Good idea to tidy up while following the service. You don’t have to pay close attention, but can divert from the bookcase when you want or need to. I’ll give it a try, too.

  • ratherbesewing
    2 years ago

    I will be watching! Unfortunately, William and Harry will be the main attraction. Too bad the pandemic will impact the formality of the day.

  • artemis_ma
    2 years ago

    No.


  • Oakley
    Original Author
    2 years ago

    Bpath, now you have me watching handbell performances! I've never seen them played in a church before, the acoustics must be perfect. I do remember you mentioning it before, when did you start playing?

    I ask because I had a set when I was around 12, the ones for kids, and I loved them. That might be a good gift for my DGD at Christmas.

    Below is a video I found. I've never seen the handbells on the left side of the table before.

    Yes, have your DH ask his mom. I can't even imagine the thrill of singing there.

    Ratherbesewing, William and Harry probably won't take up much time since it's televised. It's the reporting afterwards.




  • bpath
    2 years ago

    Oakley, thanks for sharing the video! I'm fascinated by solo ringing, I can't even imagine doing it. I joined a bell choir 22 years ago (it's easy to remember because I was expecting DS#2) and since I can't sing it's my way of playing music in a group.

    Those are chimes on the left. They have such a cool sound and are kind of neat to play.


    Looking at the pictures of Philip, there are times in his life when he and Harry look so much alike!

  • maire_cate
    2 years ago

    The ones to the left are called chimettes and are pitched an octave higher than the regular tone chimes and are often used for children or beginners.

    Oakley thanked maire_cate
  • nutsaboutplants
    2 years ago

    No.

  • runninginplace
    2 years ago

    No

  • Gargamel
    2 years ago

    Yes! Interesting that he requested no sermon

  • DLM2000-GW
    2 years ago

    No won't be watching.

    Watching the bells performance I'm surprised that the both the small and large version don't have their 'place' like piano keys. They get rung and often put down in a new place.

  • bbstx
    2 years ago

    DLM2000, I thought the same thing about the placement! A bell ringer would be fantastic scamming with a shell game!!

  • Yayagal
    2 years ago

    Absolutely, along with my siblings. We are all Anglophiles.

  • teeda
    2 years ago

    No, but only because I don't like watching anyone's funeral. I will read about it later.

  • deegw
    2 years ago

    I usually watch CNN on Saturday morning and they are showing the funeral. I normally wouldn't specifically seek it out but so far I find it interesting. And it appears to be a beautiful day which is a nice respite from our 6 inches of snow in Denver!

  • OllieJane
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    No, but I will watch highlights later probably. We have one of my husband's crews coming over today to get our outdoor area cleaned up and refreshed landscape after losing some during the freeze we got earlier this year. He was quite a good-looking guy in his younger years, I had never paid attention to him, until I watched his character on the The Crown and then watched a documentary of he and the Queen. I liked his old school attitude.

  • IdaClaire
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    I'm watching on Sky News, and it's lovely to see the daffodils at Windsor. We spoke with a warden there about the intensive annual planting process, and it’s just nice to know that seemingly small traditions like that endure.


    The choral quartet is lovely.

  • gsciencechick
    2 years ago

    No, not interested.

  • maddielee
    2 years ago

    Yes. For the pageantry.

  • IdaClaire
    2 years ago

    Is Camilla the only one wearing a patterned mask?

  • schoolhouse_gwagain
    2 years ago

    I had the channel "bookmarked" for 9:30am. I forgot! went outside and just now came in. Is it still going on? Guess I'll turn on the TV and find out, huh.

  • Gargamel
    2 years ago

    I watched on the internet -BBC - I think there is still coverage (from the beginning?)

  • maire_cate
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    I'd be interested in watching the highlights but not the entire thing.

  • bpath
    2 years ago

    The ringer actually puts the bells back in the same place.

  • bpath
    2 years ago

    I had my times wrong! I thought it was at 10CDT, but it was at 9:30CDT. Not to mention I slept way in and DH didn’t come get me. I came downstairs just in time to see David Muir wrap it up. I suppose there will be a replay sometime.

  • l pinkmountain
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    No, too much housework this weekend. I'm an Anglophile but not that into the royal family. On the other hand, I hope the Queen will be supported by her "subjects" and fellow countrymen and women. It's a profound loss for her, and as the country's "granny" I think she has done such a wonderful job over the years in that difficult position. It's really a testament to girl power, and yet I also think the Prince, outdated as you might think the monarchy is/was, also did his best to fill the role but also put his own stamp on it. Who among us could hold a job for 73 years? To me, they are both holdovers from the Greatest Generation and the passing of any of them fills me with sadness. I felt the same way when Jerry Stiller died, so it's not a royal thing per se . . .

    Edited to add that people are saying how "sad" it is to see the Queen sitting alone. On the one hand, yes, profoundly sad. But I also think it is a testament to her great personal strength of character. She's still the Queen, she's tough, and she's not afraid to follow covid protocols or symbolically say, "I'm all alone now. Just me. I'm still standing/here." In a profoundly sad way but also to me, profoundly tough. This is how they got the moniker "Greatest" after their name.

    My uncle lost his much younger wife (him 92 her 76 when she died) and he was quite infirm at that point, but still managed to dress well in his mourning clothes and sit through what was one of the saddest funerals I have ever attended, stoic all the while, with no one comforting him because that's the way he wanted it. His wife died suddenly of a heart attack while taking a nap, no one even knew until they went to wake her up for dinner. Since she was so much younger, her dying first was never in their life radar screen. My uncle was sitting alone in the jungles of New Guinea trying to survive and root out entrenched Japanese when he was 18. His friends were dying all around him. He developed a stoicism that never left him. He went on to live 3 years without a wife that was his whole world. He was one of the few people I can say who truly looked "peaceful" in his coffin and actually like he was at rest. They buried him wearing his cap and sweatshirt from his WWII company. He was known for being reliable on his watches, so it was kind of nice that he looked restful, sort of indicating that he was OK with us taking over the watch.

  • Oakley
    Original Author
    2 years ago

    I also enjoy the pageantry of royal funerals/weddings, but there wasn't much to see, so I basically listened while working in the booknook.

    Watching the Queen sit alone broke my heart.

    If you're not very familiar with Prince Phillip, you should read as much as you can about him. Did you know Sigmund Freud had Phillip's mother's ovaries zapped with radiation to force her into menopause because she was schizophrenic?

    I watched it, more like listened, on CNN with Anderson, they did a good job. I later read that Gayle King hosted CBS and maybe ABC at the same time and had the nerve to bring up the feud between the brothers. So declasse'. I guess she was giving us as real scoop, huh? sheesh.

  • IdaClaire
    2 years ago

    The queen is so tiny. Despite her stature on the world stage, she looked so vulnerable today.

  • Gargamel
    2 years ago

    I liked the BBC coverage because there was minimal talking/gossiping. The Canadian networks - yak yak yak. I understand explaining a few things every now and then, but yikes...it’s a funeral!

  • texanjana
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Oakley-I don’t believe Philip’s mother was really schizophrenic. His father wanted to get rid of her and had her committed to a mental institution (husbands could and did do that back in the day).

    Just my opinion, but based on my knowledge of the genetics of schizophrenia it would have shown up in other family members by now also. She also was high-functioning with limited medications available at that time, so another doubt for me that she really had the disease.


    I didn’t watch the funeral, but I feel very sad for the Queen losing her life partner of over 70 years. I can’t fathom what that would be like.

  • OutsidePlaying
    2 years ago

    I wanted to watch most of it but we had something to do today, so only watched a portion this morning. I forgot to set the DVR before we left. I was really only interested in part of the services in St George’s because I absolutely loved that cathedral the first time I visited. I wanted to hear the music. And because nobody does the whole pomp and circumstance thing like the British when something like this is going on.

  • jb1586
    2 years ago

    Texanjana, I thought the same thing. I cannot believe that the marriage between Elizabeth and Philip would have been sanctioned, had there really been mental illness in his family.

  • Zalco/bring back Sophie!
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    How schizophrenia is defined today is one thing, but none other than Sigmund Freud himself consulted on Princess Alice. That PA had mental health issues is a certainty. What they would be called today and how they would be treated are a different matter.

    From: The British Psychological Society:

    In the early 1930s Freud was involved with another member of the British royal family – Princess Alice, Prince Philip’s mother. She had married when she was only 20 years old and had four daughters before Philip was born on Corfu in 1920. When he was just three, his father, Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark, was court martialled. The Greek army blamed him for losing a battle against the Turks. King George V had to intervene to stop Prince Andrew being executed.

    Soon afterwards, Princess Alice began to behave in a very disturbed manner. She claimed to be in contact with Christ and the Buddha. Her mother was distraught but practical. She consulted a psychiatrist who specialised in shell shock, Thomas Ross, as well as Sir Maurice Craig who treated the future George VI, before he had speech therapy. Both diagnosed schizophrenia and recommended psychoanalysis.

    By the end of the 1920s Freud was world famous (Cohen, 2012b; Eade, 2011). Against her will, Princess Alice was sent to the Tegel Clinic in Berlin which was run by Ernst Simmel, a close colleague of Freud’s. Simmel made little progress with a fundamentally hostile patient. Princess Alice was then sent to the asylum at Kreuzlingen which was run by Ludwig Binswanger, another follower of Freud’s. Binswanger also described her condition as paranoid schizophrenia.

    Both Simmel and Binswanger consulted Freud. He believed Princess Alice’s religious delusions were the product of sexual frustration and recommended X-raying her ovaries in order to kill off her libido. Princess Alice protested she was sane and repeatedly tried to get out of the asylum. She did not see Prince Philip for some years and wandered round Europe incognito.

    https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-26/edition-6/looking-back-freud-and-british-royal-family

    NB It is a well known that the Queen treated Princess Alice extremely kindly.

    EDITED I originally said Freud made the diagnosis originally, I should have said he was consulted.

  • Oakley
    Original Author
    2 years ago

    Jb, the royal family is loaded with mental illness. Some severe. All we hear about is "depression" from Harry, William and Katherine since they're heavily involved...well, Harry's not anymore, with mental illness, but I have to wonder if there's more to the story than depression. It seems to me people loosely use the term depression to hide a depressive mood disorder that's a lot more serious.

    Jana, when I first read Princess Alice "got better" after she left the institution I kept wondering HOW? lol The woman did so much good work afterwards on a consistent basis, I don't think she had schizophrenia either.

    Prince Phillip had two pictures next to his bed, his mother and his wife. :(


    These are the late Queen Mother's neices who were mentally ill so mental illness runs on both sides of the family.

  • l pinkmountain
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    We still don't have a handle on these mood disorders and how to treat them effectively. We make our best educated guesses and do the best we can. We have to keep researching. Although we look back on treatments for mental illness with horror, we still have lots of people who suffer from these disorders and are still miserable and family members trying to help them are miserable too. Having this kind of problem in your family can make you understand the price we pay for trying to be perfect all the time, it can help you develop compassion. There's something to be said for stiff-upper-lipping it when the problems can't necessarily be solved, but sweeping them under the rug doesn't solve them in the least either, just makes them fester. So one tries to work a middle ground, fix what you can and accept what you can't and not dwell on it. People were doing their best back then with limited help. And yes, of course, the biases of their day. Still goes on. Women's health issues are different than men's and are often ignored or minimized. Same with people of color. A lot of wealthy people have huge mental illness issues in their families and substance abuse, but are very invested in an image of invulnerability. One has to be careful though, its a cutthroat world and being too vulnerable sets you up for problems too. Again, middle ground and prudence.

    I was impressed with the Queen when she announced that she was very sad, but that she had prepared for this . . . and surely one would be prepared if one was prudent, being 94 with a husband who was 99. But some people don't. I think having a mentally ill mother may have made Prince Phillip stoic and pragmatic to some extent, and that may have been what Queen Elizabeth saw in him, besides his dashing good looks . . .

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