I don't blame you for having those thoughts, Rosefolly. I've grown Snowbird for thirty years, not simply because I like it and it's a wonderful, old-fashioned looking rose here, but R. Marion Hatton, who created it, was excellent in his duties for the ARS for many years and was highly respected and loved by those who knew him. Enjoying Snowbird in my garden is my way of honoring him for the kind of man he was and providing him my small measure of immortality. I grew Dainty Bess for years, both because I liked the rose, but also because it was Archer's tribute to the woman he loved and eventually married. I grow Leonie Lamesch because I find her beautiful. Now, after this adventure, she is even more important to me. Peter Lambert, who created both Leonie and Eugenie, was the force behind the creation of Sangerhausen and accomplished many rose-related good works. The year after he introduced Leonie and Eugenie, he married Leonie Lamesch, so that rose has taken on greater value in my mind. I maintain several Jack Harkness roses for many of the same reasons. I respected him for his creativity, writing and for the well loved gentleman all who knew him proclaimed him to be. The same for Edward LeGrice. There are many others, including Ralph Moore, for whom I grow roses for the same reasons. So, yes, the "romantic streak" is strongly at work here, too. Kim

I agree that it looks like Bonica. If you google Help Me Find / Roses, you will get to a site where you can search under the name Bonica, and see dozens of pictures so that you can compare them to your rose. To answer your other questions, roses come in all shapes and sizes, as well as colors. This is a rose with clusters of small flowers. The flowers will not get bigger - they are supposed to be small. If you let us know where you are (what part of what state), there might be a rose nursery or public garden near you where you could go in the Spring, and see roses of many different styles, sizes, shapes and colors, if you are interested. Jackie

I wondered if it might be Super Bonica, but that still doesn't seem to grow nearly as big as your rose. Try the regular 'Roses' Forum here; they get much more traffic, and they should be able to ID it for you, if anyone can. It's a gorgeous rose - I'd love to know what it is too!

Vapor, good call on the leaves, but alas, I no longer have a New Dawn to compare it to, leaf-wise. I grew it back in the day for a number of years, then got a mislabeled one last spring that I gave to a friend earlier this year The blooms screamed New Dawn to me, and it's too light for Fred. And Fred is ultra-fragrant. Plus, there is no way the nursery Ann-SoCal described (landscape plants) is gonna carry Quietness (which I have and the color is spot-on), or La France.