Oops, I forgot to say: I’m in 9a/18. lots of wind, lots of sun, lots and lots of heat. Rain in the winter (if we’re lucky).

Is Francis Meilland a possibility? Drop dead gorgeous.

My most crisp resistant rose is St Patrick, also an extraordinary long lasting cut flower

Ben, is your yellow one plant?

Not from personal experor me, but I’ve heard of some big flower farmers in hot dry parts of California praise Francis Meilland profusely. Anyone who lives there and has experienced otherwise can correct me; it’s just what I’ve read on blogs haha

My sturdiest white rose was Pope John Paul II. The petals have great substance and hold up well. I found it really preferred the heat over my usually cooler weather. And it hated my winters!

Hi Raeanna, yes St Patrick is one plant, maybe taken is different seasons or different light. Sometimes it takes on a green tint

I’m in Southern California, zone 10b... sunset zone 23... about 5-6 miles from the coast... so we get afternoon winds of the coast every afternoon and hot dry Santa Ana winds throughout the year. White roses that have done well in my garden are... Iceberg: is an amazing white rose for hot dry conditions. I grow too many to count. Bolero: it’s grown to about 4x4 feet but takes about 3-4 years to get to that size because it would rather spend its time blooming that growing larger... but most other places I hear it grows to about 3x3, I hear. I never hard pruned Bolero... only deadhead it which is probably why it’s gotten to this size. Surprisingly, Bolero has done well In both shade and full sun. I have 2 White Eden climber (which I peg and train into a large Bush), loves the all day sun and blooms are gorgeous. Highly recommend the white Eden... gorgeous blooms. Here’s a video of my white Eden: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMDHcsyFjpQ/?igshid=rtlfvg2q1ruy

Thanks, all! Because I already like PJP, I’m encouraged by Seil and Sautesmom. If it grows in Sac, it should do well in Santa Clarita.

BenT, your StPat looks yellow on my iPad. Does it bloom pure white, or is there always a little something else? I hear it is an exceptionally vigorous rose.

AnnSoCal, I like White Eden (basically all Edens), but I can’t put climbers in this space.

Madison, what you said. Any Francis Meilland growers in hot, dry climates?

still thinking,

Sylvia