How shade tolerant is sally holmes ?
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Comments (45)One of my favorite gardening design idea sites (gardenia.net) has a great photo of Sally Holmes with lots of grasses and purple companion plants. Photo from: https://www.gardenia.net/garden/A-Pretty-Late-Season-Border-Idea-with-Asters-Roses-and-Grasses Isn't that a great design? I'm trying to create a similar effect, but with a few substitutes to the plants in their design. I'm using verbena, purple fountain grass and lantana instead of what they have there. Asters could work here too... but I haven't added them yet. And of course I want Sally Holmes to be a tree instead of the little baby bush they have there. I may end up putting a couple Peace rose bushes in there too because they are currently orphans without a home and I can't figure out where to put them. I love Sally Holmes. As a tree, climbing over a structure, trained horizontally through a ranch style fence. It's fantastic and super easy here in CA....See MoreWill Sally Holmes grow here?
Comments (12)There were 3 podocarpus (fern pines) that were growing along the fence and they were getting huge and were so messy so they had to go. Roots could definitely be an issue. It's been 3 years since we got rid of them and last summer I threw 3 lantanas that I got off the $3 rack from Lowes into the space. They work fine but I need height. I'm trying to remember if I hit roots when planting them. I guess I'll be digging tomorrow to find out. For the spot out front. Clay soil that has not been amended. I think Sally will be ok there. We don't get rain often like we did this year and in future heavy rain years I can always get an attachment that drains the water to the street. I am constantly reinventing my yard so I'm not afraid to get rid or move something if it's not working but still like to research first. Thanks for the feedback!...See MoreSurvey/opinions/experiences: which purple tolerates shade the best?
Comments (14)Thank you all so much for your thoughts and suggestions! I am always asking my roses to stretch a bit, one way or another. It must be the teacher in my soul, scaffolding those under my care to reach just a little higher! Additionally, I have found that a number of roses can adapt to significant shade, and some deeply colored ones appreciate conditions which protect their blooms from direct sun. Monarda, your experience with Veilchenblau in shade matches mine. I recommended it to Fogrose in years past as a shade tolerant cultivar but am unsure whether she tried it or how it performed for her. Sheila, thank you for even more confirmation of Veilchenblau's shade tolerance and for the amazingly beautiful photos!! They capture everything I love about this purple rambler. Breathtaking! How are EaB and Russelliana behaving for you in sun? May I ask what you like best or not-so-much about each one? Lee Ann, it is interesting that your Veilchenblau did not thrive in shade but others have. I am inclined to grow another in plant in shade and begin a thread just on Veilchenblau and forum members' experiences regarding degree of shade tolerance. Location, climate and immediate conditions deeply affect all living things, and I am reallly curious about the effects on the various "shade tolerant" rose cultivars. Monarda, thank you for the wonderful photos as well! I love the side by sides of Russelliana and Emily D's wallpaper!! You have tapped my inner history and literature buff. I believe you may have nailed the cultivar on Emily's wallpaper which means, of course, that I MUST plant Russelliana in my garden! There is no frigate like a book...or an antique rose. I am beginning to think that I also MUST grow Ex von Schubert! Monarda, Claire and Bart, thank you for your opinions on this classic lavender. I wonder how much remontancy Ex von S would demonstrate in my shady beds. Claire, maybe your climate is similar enough to mine to indicate ExvS's potential behavior in my garden. I like what you're saying about the yummy purple color and the fragrance! I am tempted to plant ExvS and find out if he can handle a bit of shade here. I am also considering Verdi. A neighbor grows what I believe to be Verdi in quite a bit of shade. She gets a big flush and a few scattered blooms each year. Marlorena, I am positively infatuated with your GdD! Those photos are swoon worthy!! Isn't this the rose that you once described as producing THE perfect shade of dark wine-red? I think you were also searching for others of that ideal color. Perhaps there are none which quite hit that special note? I am adding GdD to my shade list. I grow Souvenir du Dr. Jamain in shade, and in exchange for his sheltered placement, he offers blooms which remain velvety and unscathed. Carol...See MoreBucket of blooms. Chrysler Imperial and Sally Holmes
Comments (21)Hi Sheryl. Your Raspberry Cream Twirl is off to a great start. Have you tried starting a thread on the rose forum asking your question? You will get lots of great answers and lots of help that way. :-) When you do that, you may also want to include your general location or climate info, since growing roses has so many local nuances in each of our climates. Here in the inland Bay Area of CA, it gets very hot and dry. Raspberry Cream Twirl seems to handle the heat really well in my yard. It also gets HUGE. It is a vigorous climber here. The canes tend to go straight up, so I tie them all laterally. It grows very fast, so that’s a lot of tying! It’s almost thornless though so it’s not hard at all. It is definitely going to need those wires soon, so hopefully you hubby can get that done quickly! I don't fertilize here, but that’s only because my soil is very rich. I don’t spray anything for diseases or pests, but that’s because I like to have a permaculture/organic garden and it’s not hard to have that in CA. I defioliate it in the winter because roses don't defoliate on their own or go dormant here. I would start a new thread asking some of the additional questions so everyone can chime in, help, and give you some local advice pertaining to growing roses in your area. :-)...See Morejc_7a_MiddleTN
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