Favorite French Roses (Delbard, Guillot, Meilland)?
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Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b
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3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoAnn, I can’t find Cybelle rose sold in US. Anyone else find it?
Benny Looez is similar in color-an Damask Perpetual,, sold at Rose Petals Nursery, (not French.) It’s a lavender fushia and other times red-pink...
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Comments (7)We can always try! I've been pestering poor Rene at Palatine for maybe 4 years to grow more Poulsen roses (to replace my dearly departed Bella Renaissance among others), as well as to return some of the Delbard roses to production like Augusta Luise. As I understand it, there is a two-pronged approach to introducing new lines of roses into a vendor's offerings. The first one Palatine did, by getting a license with Delbard to sell their offerings with appropriate licensing and royalties paid and mother plants acquired. After they did so, they then needed to start production of specific varieties within the offerings of that breeder, and that takes additional steps of permissions as I understand it. The frustrating thing from the vendor's point of view is that Rene did all this fine for Delbard roses but he was then told after acquiring the mother plants that he wasn't a big enough vendor for the roses and wasn't allowed to sell them after all, even though he had the mother plants. I may be editing the story a bit, but that's the gist as I understand it. Frustrating both for him and for all of us drooling over the Delbard offerings. That's why you're right that a gentle approach is the best since the vendors have to make the tough call of which roses sell best for them, not just what us rose fanatics want to buy. So the most logical place to advocate for more Guillot roses would be with someone who already has a working relationship with Massad/Guillot, since the first step is done. As far as I know, I've only ever seen Massad/Guillot roses from Roses Unlimited, so if someone else has licenses for them they aren't on their lists yet. That's why I'm planning to pick my ultra-favorites from this exquisite list and do a little nudging of 3 or 4 of them, with the commitment that I'll be willing to buy any new Guillot roses that Pat can produce - not hard since I have all the ones she already sells and I buy a lot of roses from RU each year anyway to justify a bulk order. My guess is that sometime in July or August is a good time to advocate for new rose offerings for the following year, and I've started sending my "dream list" of roses that I maintain to both Pat at RU and Burling at Burlington Roses. I figure it's low pressure to indicate roses that I'd love to see, and I counter with the commitment to buy any of those roses if they make it to sales. Having said that, I haven't seen any fruits of that labor but Burling DID finally produce viable plants of Stranger that Beth has been tempting us with for years, so someone's advocacy has paid off (and YES I bought mine the nanosecond I heard about it). Cynthia...See MoreMy other informal survey -- Favorite two roses
Comments (3)Wow! You've got quite a list there! It shows that roses grow different for folks in different areas. I'm not sure how well I can respond to this question. My favorite rose is Gruss an Aachen. Has been, always will be. As for the second favorite? I have about 65 roses that are pushing for second place. If I go by the ones I cut the most often, in this order: Artistry Double Delight Patio Pearl Hot Cocoa Liberty Bell Sassy Cindy Chicago Peace Touch of Class...See MoreYour favorite Meilland rose
Comments (21)Thank you, arbutus, for the additional information. Sounds promising, though I'll have to research Dark Night more if I decide to put it in my Midwestern garden. I'm keeping it on my reserve list for now. About Peter Mayle: Maryl, in my garden, Peter Mayle is not a "space-eater." In fact, it has been a rather narrow, vertical/upright bush and I've wished it would be a bit fuller on the sides. Maybe its narrowness is due to where I planted it--on the west side of my neighbor's garage (along the property line) stuffed between two bigger and more aggressive roses that maybe force Peter to grow vertically in order to get high enough to get his share of sunshine? Don't know. Pat, Peter Mayle is a fairly good bloomer for a rose that produces the biggest, fattest blooms in the garden. Like Valencia, which produces the second biggest blooms in my garden, Peter is a bit slow on the rebloom. I think it is because it takes longer for big/fat blooming roses to make those big/fat blooms! On the other hand, nearly all my roses slow down considerably--even shut down-- when we get into hot, hot, hot August--Peter Mayle included. But when Peter (or Valencia) actually bloom, they sure can be show-stoppers, so I forgive them. LOL Kate...See MoreYour most favorite fragrant roses from Roses Unlimited?
Comments (126)Some bouquets of fragrant roses bought from Roses Unlimited. My all-time favorites from RU are: Sonia Rykiel (a dozen blooms per flush in 1st year as own-root), Versigny (the scent is worth buying), Poseidon (going to frost with 30+ buds), Summer Sun (compact & small for a Kordes rose), Savannah (non-stop blooming), Pink Peace (great for the vase), Sweet Mademoiselle and Firefighter (both last 5 days in the vase), Betty White, Twilight Zone, About Face, Liv Tyler, and many Austins that RU sold before 2021. Below upper pink is Sonia Rykiel, dark red is the Dark Lady (from RU): Below dark red is Munstead Wood, and and orange About Face, red is Firefighter. Below orange is America, light pinks are Gene Boerner (thornless), and blue is Poseidon. Big red is Peter Mayle (survives 5+ years in my zone 5a winter): Below yellows are Moonlight Romantica (smells just as good as Golden Cel). Upper light pinks are Princess Charlene de Monaco (now 10' x 3') needs space. Blue is Poseidon lasts 5 days. Below deep oranges are Sweet Mademoiselle, light left pink is Savannah, and reds are the Dark Lady (going into Nov. frost with many buds): Below bouquet is picked Oct. 29, 2023 before frost. Red is Veteran's Honor. Pink is Radio Times, white is Bolero, dark pink is Dee-lish, and dark red is the Dark Lady. All are from Roses Unlimited. Below large dark pink is Peter Mayle (eucalytus rose scent, so unique), light pinks are Evelyn, deep pink is Comte de Chambord, gaudy orange is Solitude (worth having for hot summer). Liv Tyler (right deep pink) never ball like Sweet Mademoiselle, Liv Tyler gives twice more blooms than Sweet M. Left dark pink is Pink Peace (worth buying with its buttercream frosting scent). Right light pink is Frederic Mistral (petals get spoiled often in rainy climate, worse than Betty White) Below was Liv Tyler in my garden at above 90 F, it's best for hot climate....See More
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3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoHtracy & Friends,
Showing photos of roses such as Cinderella is enticing! Oh, dear.... I just have to have it!
I looked up Cinderella as I have wanted a pink fairy tale rose and realized it grows 3-4ft as a shrub or up to 10 ft. as a climber. I didn’t need another climber... but in my NY weather it probably won’t be over 4-5 ft so I love it!!!! If it gets any higher it can climb on my fence. It has dark green glossy leaves and a mild-fruity apple fragrance! think I will order it from Rosarium Garden Center as they still have them to order.
Woo Hoo! I finally will have a Cinderella Fairy Tale. So pretty and love the ruffles! Love Kordes (German) Fairy Tale Collection roses! (It may not be a French rose but it’s just what I needed!!!! Thank you-Tracy!)
This forum is soooooo helpful seeing friend’s rose gardens all around the world and in different US states. It’s so cool! I just love it. I have learned so much. I joined a rose society local and the American Rose society as a result.
I have enjoyed the lovely friends on this site. And it is humorous and uplifting in my day! My rose gardens have expanded...and my designs are elaborating as the whole world of roses has opened up more to me!
Thank you!
Cinderella Fairy Tale
Tammy (Southern Ont) Zone 4/5 USDA
3 years agoI want Moonlight in Paris sooooooo badly. I absolutely love it.
Here are some of my Delbard roses:
Mitsouko is one of my favourites
Mitsouko and La Rose de Molinard is peaking over her shoulder.
La Rose de Molinard, easily my most fragrant rose and the one all my guests flock to.
I'm in love with her perfect shade of Parisian pink.
Nahema. I have three.
Tammy (Southern Ont) Zone 4/5 USDA
3 years agoAnd although not a French Rose, since Cinderella is mentioned above, I can't say enough good things about her. She is a real show stopper in real life.
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Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
3 years agoMonsieur Tillier, 1891, is an incredible Tea Rose in a warm climate. I am looking forward to mine becoming a small tree like the one at Huntington Gardens. It blooms year round but the most amazing large blooms are in the fall and winter.
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3 years agoPerle d’Or is a French polyantha from 1875. This one sprig brought sweet fragrance to my whole kitchen.
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Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
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3 years agoMine is the original PEACE by Meilland. My DH's grandfather planted ours, right after the end of WWII - it was featured at the first meeting of the UN in San Francisco, which is only 30 miles away from here, so I suspect that local nurseries were jumping to offer it. Mine is a climber, but it may have sported to that - when we moved in here a huge pomegranate bush had grown over where the Peace was planted, and the Peace rose had climbed up to the top of it - about 10 feet up. We rooted a cutting and planted it, just as the original bush was dying around 2000. So, the one I have now is now on its own roots, and tied horizontally along a fence at the front of our property. So, it is a one time clone of the original bush from 75+ years ago. I have heard that Peace "has declined in commerce" from being cloned zillions of times, so I feel so lucky to have one which has only been cloned (by me) once! Pics below:
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3 years agoYes, it is a climber, it puts up long (maybe 8-10 ft), fairly stiff canes. When I notice them waving around, I use the fence to tie them more horizontally - the sort of arch. Here is a long distance pic:
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3 years agorosecanadian - the dark pink rose foaming over the fence is 'Cl American Beauty', a hybrid wichurana bred in 1909. Cl AB's pollen parent is 'American Beauty', a hybrid perpetual bred in 1875, so It is NOT a climbing sport. It is a once bloomer, fragrant, and unkillable. HMF says hardy to zone 5. When we moved in here 30+ years ago there were 3 plants of this rose in various places, and it took me 10+ years to get it identified. It blooms for an extended period here starting in late March, and finishing in May-June. That is because it keeps producing new canes with new blooms during all of that period. I have several now. The one in the pic is the "original" one, although as it is constantly producing new bushes by tip rooting and by suckers from roots, it is no longer the same bush. Makes it very easy to get new plants from with no work! It has thin, very flexible canes, and can be grown as a climber, a bush, or a sort of weeping foaming thing over fences as in the picture. Here is a pic of one I grow as a tall bush:
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3 years agoTchaikovsky's bloom is huge (at least 4" across), last long in the vase, it's the light yellow one. It looks better in real life. I consider it more beautiful than Golden Celebration.
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