Polar vortex, winter damage ID questions from spoiled zone 7 gardener
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Comments (5)Given my rose habits, it's not a question of if I'll have losses but whether the losses will be worse than usual. This was such an unusually cold winter for us with no snow that I'm not using this year to plan for a normal winter, since there's always some attrition in my yard, sometimes as much from heat as cold. I'm willing to baby roses a fair bit, so as long as they can survive most of our winters I'm not going to penalize a rose category because it didn't survive this one. Besides, predicting what will survive isn't an exact science - I've had some HTs clearly breeze through this winter, and some hardy shrubs trimmed to the ground with relatively shaky standing at this point. Neither however will I plan my roses for the unseasonably warm winters that preceded this one. I tend to buy what I like and let the rose decide if it wants to survive in my yard, and I give any variety at least 2 or 3 chances if I really like it. At least this way I haven't yet run out of room for new roses (I put "never run out" and realized that's not necessarily true forever). Besides, I already have way too many roses coming for this spring based on my old habits and it's too late to change that relative to the cold winter habit. These will be another test case for whatever next winter brings. Cynthia...See MoreWhich Teas thrive in zone 7 and colder zones?
Comments (21)Like most folks on this thread, I'll have to echo that teas (something separate from Hybrid Teas of course) don't necessarily thrive the further you get from zone 7. It's like anything else - you have to pick and choose among teas, and even then it may depend on local conditions like catsrose says from zone 6. I have had Madame Alfred Carriere for many years, and have planted some other noisettes or tea-noisettes recently (Blush Noisette comes to mind), and so far they've survived fine but are not cane hardy. The problem is that these seem to only bloom on old wood, so while MAC has absolutely massive healthy canes trying to eat my house every year, I've only had one year of bloom out of them in the past 6 years (a very mild winter where most roses had surviving cane). The same goes for many of my Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals, including Mme. Isaac Periere. As for teas, I've got some 6-7 year old ones that do fine for me and a few new ones planted. Some teas have died a miserable death (Monsieur Tillier comes to mind) and all of these are in a virtual zone 6 side of my house. The longest surviving ones are Mme. Antoine Mari, Mrs. BR Cant, Maman Cochet, and Duchesse de Brabant. Georgetown Tea was also good until it succumbed to user error. I wouldn't say any of these thrive in the ways expected for warm zone teas, but they make nice modest sized blooming bushes and recover reasonably well from being pruned to the ground even after all the protection I can give them. Bottom line is that zones 7 and to some extent 6 are probably the limits of where teas are likely to survive long-term, but they do need summer heat (we have plenty of that), rather than murky summer gloom like some regions can experience. I'm a bit of an anomaly in zone 5 and I'm fully aware that I'm zone pushing the teas. Nothing like a challenge though. Cynthia...See Morezone 7a - Winter Protection? Please help...
Comments (6)I do my gardening in a zone 5/6. I have to protect all of the Macrophyllas if I'm going to get any flowers. I would bet that you shouldn't have too much trouble over the actual winter months. These plants can take the extremes of cold that you should be expecting. The real problem for you ( and me, too, actually) is the fluctuations. It's Luis' "ker plunks" that end up getting us. Dirr has said that he sees better flowering in a place like Cape Cod than he sees in Georgia, even though Georgia is a much higher zone. That's because, at Cape Cod, you don't get the ker plunks. The ocean, the native habitat of these Macrophyllas, keeps the temperature moderate. No ker plunks. Being relatively close to the ocean might save you somewhat. At least in many years. You don't need to worry so much about doing something before the first frost unless it happens like tomorrow or something. As long as the weather follows a moderate path into the winter, you wouldn't have any problem at all. I don't do anything here until after the frosts come. The real problem for you, I would bet, is next Spring. That's when the damage is likely to happen. Typical for us people away from the moderating ocean, just like interior Georgia, is for a nice long spell of warm weather in Spring, fooling the plants into thinking that it's all over, with the buds opening up, only to get zapped with the ker plunk that follows. If you want to take your chances and do a minimal amount of work maybe you should consider not doing anything elaborate over the winter, but be ready to run out in the Spring when we get that night or two of cold and cover the plants with sheets of plastic and/or some other insulating material. Nobody said it was going to be easy. Fun maybe, but not easy. Good luck. Hay...See MorePolar Vortex 2021
Comments (224)Hi, Greenthumb, Seil, Vapor, Love to see your gardening now on the Spring Thread! Vapor, Have you pruned your roses yet? Seil, How are your gardens doing! Can’t wait to see your pruned rose photos. Joey, I hope you are keeping warm and drinking lots of hot chocolate w/marshmallows! I just eat a lot of hot foods for breakfast/lunch and dinner and bake until the cold passes. tomorrow we make cookies! (It ranges in 50-60F now.... but cool in mornings, evenings. House is cool so I bake! Would you like some warm pancakes, sausage and baked fruit sauces? Or chocolate pancakes? Black berry pancakes are fun! Hot Mochachinos are good! Or what would you like? He, he! My mom and dad are from Wyoming. Wishing you warm thoughts to warm you and your roses! Greenthumb, your daffodils are in full bloom and hyacinth, Woohoo! Lovely! Nice prune job on your roses-they look about same as my budding roses that I just pruned yesterday.. Oh, so cool-you have gooseberries. I once had gooseberry pie-yummy! How do you use the gooseberries?...See MoreRelated Professionals
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