Kitchen Cabinet Layout - Full Overlay and Spacing/Filler Dilemma
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Comments (26)There is really no fundamental difference in strength between framed and framless cabinets. Poorly-built frameless cabinets will be less sturdy than well-built face-framed cabinets, and well-built frameless cabinets will be more sturdy than poorly built face-framed cabinets. Regarding your statement: I see that the small frame in the kitchen reduces very slightly the useable space in terms of installing drawers or pullout shelves, but it's not a significant difference. Some GW poster put together a comparison between frameless and face-framed and the differrence is alot more than than you would think at first. (Anyone got the link ?) For illustration purposes they compared a 12" wide base cabinet in the two styles, and assumed 3/4" thick box construction, 1/2" thick drawer boxes, 1/2" wide side mounted slides, and 2 inch face frames. With frameless the drawers ended up with an usable internel width of 12 - 2 x (3/4 + 1/2 + 1/2) = 8 1/2" vs for face-framed the drawers ended up with an usable internel width of 12 - 2 x (2 + 1/2 + 1/2) = 6" So if you want the full-overlay look, my opinion is you should go with frameless cabinets. Also regarding your daughter slamming the doors, I have seen posts about something called "blumotion for doors" which attach to the hinges (which I believe must be blum brand) which eases the door closed....See MoreDo I need a filler b/w full-overlay pantry & counterdepth fridge?
Comments (14)brenjun: my pantry is 42 inches wide and holds soooo much food. Being that wide, the doors are large, but we love it. My cabinet maker insisted that I use the blum metal drawers (as opposed to wood) because they are stronger for such a wide rollout. He also used heavy duty slides. We use one of the wide drawers for pots and pans (the range is just across the aisle from the pantry) and the bottom drawer for bagged food (chips, bagged pastas, etc). And I think Johnny makes excellent points about rollout shelves vs a pullout pantry. I think the pullout style pantry is only practical for a fairly narrow pantry, although I've never used this type of pantry. Both styles have their pros and cons. chihauhuagirl: The note pad is from mayfair lane and they have this foam back that 'sticks' to stainless without any adhesive, so there's no residue. You just press it on. If it loses it's stick, you just wipe it down with a a little water, and it sticks again. They work great for us. The website was sold recently, and I have not ordered after the sale. I've linked it below, and I have no affiliation with it other than liking the list pads. Here is a link that might be useful: note pads that stick to stainless...See MoreIs 1 1/4 true 'full overlay' -calling cabinet experts
Comments (11)junicb, You know, I didn't even contact cabinemakers choice; for no other reason than I came upon Cabinet Authority first and Rick said he would give me a discount based on quantity (it's big; whole house) and I have bugged the absolute you know what out of him, nickel and diming my order; I would feel guilty putting him through all of this! We had a foundation overrun in our construction and it's put a major cramp in my kitchen budget, so I'm having to scrutinize every single detail. That said, being a free marketplace and all, I might share my final final FINAL order with the other folks and see how they come in, if I don't like the final quote I get from Cabinet Authority, just to see how they differ. I would love to hear more about this process; are you having trouble sleeping and getting a major crash course in cabinetry components, as I am? My husband thinks I'm a nutcase. Thank God for Gardenweb and its kitchenistas!...See MoreStyle question re: Inset doors in same kitchen w/full overlay doors
Comments (8)Sorry, Patricia, the crank pasta machines stay. The penninsula stays, also. There is not enough room for an island or wall ovens. The sink is at the only outside wall and it will say at the window with a view of a creek. An unfinished attic is above the stove. We are both in the kitchen prepping, cooking, and cleaning up at the same time - not one prepping then one cooking. We need more space at the stove and primary sink. This design gives us each a contained workspace without crossing each other's path constantly. . . and takes us out of the walkway. Walking through the living room provides access to the rest of the house for anyone who wants to avoid the kitchen. We view the refrigerator as the appliance that we spend the least amount of time in front of. It's close enough to the stove and the penninsula, and acts as a landing spot for both prep and cleanup. Changing the doorway also brings the kitchen closer to the deck. The only real inconvenience I see is at the doorway when the dishwasher is open. Cabinet style was a secondary consideration. Our experience with a number of purely kitchen designers is that they design great features but won't be using the kitchen with another cook once their work is done. We want and need to be able to function in our kitchen. My question involved how well inset cabinets at the penninsula would blend with full overlay slab cabinet doors. So, here are photos of the current space and preliminary measurements for the redesign. There doorway at the left will be 30" and the fridge will be about 6" to the right....See MoreRelated Professionals
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