Yes, I agree. The old hybrid of these two is 'Set-Oliver', a Victor Reiter hybrid from the 50's (or sometime back then). It could be someone stuck a new name on that one. I have a hard time telling it from setosa. And, there may actually be other named cutlivars like 'Set-Oliver', Victor Reiter gave his hybrids names that combined the parents. In this case "Oliver" refers to the old genus name for Echeveria harmsii--Oliveranthus. One little tidbit--a number of years ago at our local San Francisco chapter, we were treated to a program on echeveria hybridizing by Bob Grim. He told us that the hairiness in these species is recessive, so hairy crosses would have both parents being hairy types (harmsii, setosa, pulvinata, etc.). So, for example, 'Deren-Oliver' has smooth gray leaves, since its other parent is derenbergii. Jon

Probably, the most salient point here is the closer you look, the less you know. Time and the personal, individual choices of hybridizers will sort all of this out. They will register where they feel most comfortable doing so. Obviously, both organizations are complying with even the minimum standards. The community, with its vast and not necessarily public exchange of information is alive, discussing this issue and formulating an opinion. There is much there that is not visible in this thread. In fact, I have had to curtail my nursery work to catch up on my letter writing, because this very issue and the postings in this thread have filled my mailbox to overflowing. Most of the letters center around something not discussed here...motivation. What is the nature and origin of the energy driving these issues? The individuals who have contacted me have gone beyond the semantics and legalities. Their concerns lie more in the examining of what is happening in the delicate heart spaces where ideas and actions are born, come to fruition or crash and burn. The internet and the postings visible are marvelous things. They have a handful of active participants, but an audience of millions. It is no less so here on this thread. That my mailbox fairly groans with letters is further proof. I can assure you, that the confidence I place in the generosity, intelligence and far-sightedness of the Brugmansia community is well-founded. It is reflected in the correspondence I've received, and cause for joy among the honest hearted. Ultimately, those individuals are choosing where they wish to place their confidence regarding the responsible handling of their information... So, be of good cheer everyone. We have a strong and honest-hearted community of highly intelligent people who talk among themselves in the shadows and make the decisions that move the fates and fortunes of those populating the community: it's organizations, enterprises and accomplishments as a whole. My faith in them, as it pertains to making constructive choices that impact themselves and their fellow members toward the good...has never waivered. In time you will see the result of those choices. The direction of this community will come from this thread's audience, not the participants in the discussion. "It is not that I love Caesar less, but that I love Rome more." Julius Caesar - W. Shakespeare. Have a great day everyone. It's Spring. Let's get growing Brugmansias.

2007 OFFICIAL ROSE LIST SUPPLEMENT, AUGUST 2007 Not An Official ARS Publication Rose lists are published last day of each month. 1) Approved ARS Exhibition Name 2) IRAR / Rose Registrations. 3) Color Classification. 4) Year Introduction / Registered. (*) Approved name change in September 2002. () Roses in commerce in North America (@) All-America Rose Selection “AARS” (#) Award of excellence “AoE” (VF) Roses that are Very Fragrant (**) Dowager Queen in 2007 Official List Roses in Italics, not eligible for Dowager Queen By Ronald Schwerdt 8-31-2007 **********MODERN ROSES********** HYBRID TEAS: (HT) Aallegra HT, or, 1964 Alecia Carol HT, 8-3-06--10/2006, mp, 2006 Alma June Seville HT, 1-23-06, mp, 2006 Always Favourite HT, 2-16-07, or, 2007 Amazing Grace 07 3-21-07, 4/2007, mr, 2007 Annie HT, 11-1-06--1/2007, ob, 2006 April Moore HT, 6-15-07, w, 2007 April In Paris HT, 3-21-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Arelia Weddle HT Artistic Licence HT, rb, 5-20-07※6/2007 Atlantic Charter HT, 1942 Autumn Spice HT, 3/2006, ob, 2006 Bea Wallace HT, 2-14-07, 4/2007, dr, 2007 Betty O HT, 4-30-06, pb, 2006 Bill Heath HT, 6-21-07※6/2007, w, 2007 Blushing Yuyi HT, 7-2-06--10/2006, rb, 2006 Bob & Linda HT, 1-23-06--3/2006, pb, 2006 Buffy (restop) HT, mp Burgundy Popwell HT, 5-4-06, w, 2006 Canadian Sunset HT, >>>>>Spirit Of Ocean City Catherine Graham 3-5-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Christine** HT, ab Cinderella HT, mp, 2006 Clarice Weston Flower Maker 1-8-07-4/2007, lp, Claude’s Cracker HT, 1-23-06--3/2006, 2006 Clear Moon HT, 2-15-07, 4/2007, my, 2007 Community Banquet HT, 6-15-07, lp, 2007 Conga HT, my, 2005 Coral Prophyta** HT, op Cream Prophyta** HT, w Crown Princess Mary HT, 8-11-06--10/2006, w Cup Of Joy HT, 1-31-06, mp, 2006 Dani** HT, or Debra Reilly HT, m, 8-17-07, 2007 Dina Gee HT, 1-23-06--2/2006, rb, 2006 Dream Come True HT, 12-5-05, ly, 2005 Eileen Bee HT, 6-15-07, lp, 2007 Eileen’s Rose HT, 6-1-06--7/2006, op, 2006 Eleganza HT, lp, 2006 Elizabeth Marie HT, rb, 5-20-07--6/2007 Elizabeth Park Centennial 2-15-07, 4/2007, pb Elle HT, 2005, ab, 2005 @ Emina HT, 7-2-06, rb>>>10/2006>>>(S) Epressions HT, pb, 2006 Eve Harkness HT, mr, 1946 Expression HT, ob, 2006 Falling In Love 10-1-06--11/2006, pb, 2007 Fernand Point HT>>>Fernant Point * Floating Candle HT, ob, 2006 Fragrant Plum HT, m, 1990>>>>>>>>>>(Gr) Fujimai HT, 8-11-06--10/2006, m, 2006 Georgie Bee HT, 1-23-06--3/2006, rb, 2006 Golden Fairy Tale HT, my, 2005 Guarding Angel HT, ab Hatsukari HT, 3-15-05--7/2005, pb, 2005 Here’s Charlie HT, 8-11-06--10/2006, pb, 2006 Hey Paula HT, 3-5-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Honesty HT, w, 2005 Irene Dean HT, 2-14-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Iris HT, 8-11-06--10/2006, op, 2006 Janice Kellog HT, dr, 2006 Kilbreda Centenary 3-21-07, 4/2007, mr, 2007 Just Peachy HT, 11-20-06--1/2007, pb, 2006 Ken Bruck HT, mr, 1997 Kuperkoiginin 8-10-06--11/2006, dy, 1996 Lady Teton HT, mp Legends JT, mr, 8-26-07, 2007 Leah June HT, pb, 5-20-07※6/2007 LeAnn Rimes, Cl HT, 2-15-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Lisa Michelle 6-13-06--7/2006, ab, 2005 Margarete Fuchs HT, m, 2006 Marquesa del Vadillo HT>>>>>>>>> HT>>>>>>>>>>Marquesa de Vadillo * Martha Rice HT, dp Mary C HT, 10-31-05, pb, 2006 Miri HT, pb, 8-17-07, 2007 Miss Brenda HT, 5-10-06, m, 2006 Miss Kitty HT, 3-21-07, 4/2007, w, 2007 Mme Elisa de Vilmorin** HT, mr, 1864 Myrna Courage HT, 3-21-07, 4/2007, dr, 2007 Naga Belle HT, 8-3-06, 10/2006, dp, 2006 O. L. Weeks HT, dr, 2006 Orchard’s Pride HT, 6/2006, pb, 2006 Oriental Staer HT, 9-27-06--11/2006, op, 2006 Pacific Beauty HT, 8.6, pb, 1962 Peachy Pink 8-21-06--11/2006, pb, 2006 VF Pink Killarney HT, mp Pink Promise HT, 7-27-07, pb, 2007 Pink Promises HT, 1-23-06--3/2006, dp, 2006 PinkTraviata HT, dp, 2006 Pope John Paul II 3-21-07, 4/2007, w, 2007 Prudence Elizabeth HT, w, 5-20-07, 6/2007 Red Tropicana HT, or, 2006 Renate HT, op, 2005 Rosario Algorta HT, 8-11-06--10/2006, ly, 2006 Sara Penrose HT, 11/2005, yb, 2005 September Dawn Ht, 6-15-07, dy, 2007 Sharon Marie HT, 11-1-06--1/2007, rb, 2006 Sheer Magic HT, 3-21-07, 4/2007, ob, 2007 Sheila HT, my Smooth Delight HT, 5-20-06--6/2006, op, Smooth Queen HT, 6/2006, yb, 2006 Smooth Snowflake HT, 6/2006, w, 2006 Snuffy HT, 1-23-06--3/2006, op, 2006 Sophisticated Lady HT, 6-1-06, ab, 2006 Soul Mate HT, 1-23-06--3/2006, pb, 2006 Souv du President Carnot>>>Souvenir du President Carnot * Speelwark HT, 9-27-06, 11/2006, yb, 1997 Spellbound HT, 3-21-07, 4/2007, op, 2006 Spice Trail HT, 11-1-06--1/2007, pb, 2006 VF Ssuella HT, dy, 2002>>>Suela * St. Ignatius HT, my, 2001 Sudhanshu HT, 9-27-06, 11/2006, lp, 2005 Summer Love HT, my, 8-26-07, 2007 Sweet Freedom HT, w, 2006 Tahitian Sunset HT, 3-21-07--4/2007, ab, @ Tassie Carraline HT, mr, 5-20-07, 6/2007 Tassie Melanine HT, lp, 5-20-07, 6/2007 Tblbeta HT, 3-5-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 The Belle Canadese HT, 3/200, lp, 2006 Thinking Of You HT, mr, 2001 Trump Card HT, 2-18-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Twilight Tryst 11-14-06--1/2007, m, 2006 VF Unlit Snow HT, mp Welcome Home 3-21-07, 4/2007, ly, 2007 Wenche HT, 12-17-06--1/2007, w, 2006 Westminster 50th Anniv mp, 5-16-07※6/2007 Zena HT12-11-06--1/2007, lp, 2006 VF GRANDIFLORAS: (Gr) Arolaqueli Gr, m, 1986 Aztec Gold Gr, dy, 2006 Bride Of Colmar Gr, mr, 2004 Carla Ann Gr, 11-1-06--1/2007, yb, 2006 Catalina Gr, 3-21-07, 4/2007, ab, 2007 Centennial Gr, ab, 2006 Crystal River Gr, 8-11-06--9/2006, ly, 2006 Dream Come True 9-27-06--11/2006, yb, 2008 Fragrant Plum Gr, m, 1990, 6/2007 Golden Opportunity Gr, dy, 1996>>>(F) Kiss Me Gr, mp, 2006 Martha Allen Gr, ab, 2005 Phyllis Diller Gr, 9-17-06, dy, 2006 Rock & Roll Gr, rb, 8-17-07, 2007 Sonia Supreme** Gr, ab Sweet Osmanthus Gr, 11-1-06--1/2007, ab, 2006 Thinking Of You Gr, mr, 2001 Vera Lynn Gr, my FLORIBUNDAS: (F) Aanna Jane F, 11-1-06, 1/2007, or, 2006 Alex Brackstone F, 1-23-06--3/2006, dy, 2006 Amy Donelan F, 11-1-06, 1/2007, m, 2006 VF Angel’s Angel F, 8-10-06--9/2006, or, 2006 Anitra Louisa F, 3/2006, rb, 2006 Arcadia Sunrise F, or, 2001 Beatrice Jennings F, 3/2006, op, 2006 Bella Christina F, 12-17-06, 1/21007, rb, 2006 Black Cherry F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, dr, 2006 Blue For You F, 5-12-06--6/2006, m, 2008 Bolivar F, 10-1-06, 11/2006, pb, 2007 Bonnie Rosalie F, 5-4-06, w, 2006 Bordure Rose F>>>>>>>>>>Strawberry Ice Bossa Nova F, mp, 1992,>>>(Pol) Bridal White F, w, 1970>>>>>Tricia Camaieux ** F, rb Carol Amling, Climbing ** Cl F, mp Cecil Beaton F, rb, 1973 Charlotte’s Rose F, 6/2006, ab, 2006 Cinco de Mayo F, r, 8-17-07, 2007 Cinnamon Twist 3-21-07, 4/2007, ob, 2006 Clara Eileen F, 1-23-06--3/2006, ob, 2006 Coachman F, mr, 1996 Colby School F, 9-26-06--11/2006, lp, 2005 Collegiate 110 ** F, op Comet Tail ** F, m Condoleezz F, 6-13-06--7/2006, pb, 2006 Coral galaxy** F, op Coral Sunrise F, ab Cristina Vidal** F, my Daddy’s Girls F, ab, 2006 Dancing Team** F, ab Darin F, 8-10-06--9/2006, dr, 2006 David Fleming F, my Diana Holman F, 5-21-07--6/2006, m, 2006 Disguise F, rb, 2006 Eeanor Annelise F, pb Emely Vigorosa F, dp, 2006 Fab At Fifty F, 6/2006, dp, 2006 Filomena F, 2-9-07, 4/2007, dy, 2007 Fire Eyes F, w Flemington F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, dp, 2007 Frankly Scarlet F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, mr, 2008 Garland’s Gold F, 11-1-06--1/2007, ab, 2006 Gladys Quine 12-1-05, ob, 2005>>>(Min Fl) Glenda Marie F, 20 petals, F>>>>>>>>>with shrimp pink petal edges Golden Iceberg F, 5-20-06, yb, 2006 Golden Opportunity F, dy, 1996 Hannah Gordon F, 20 petals F>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with strong pink edges Heaven On Earth F, ab, 2001 Home & Garden F, 8-11-06---11/2006, lp, 2001 Innocencia F, 9-27-06--11/2006, w, 2003 Irene F, 4-27-06--6/2006, ly, 2006 Julia Child F, 3-17-06, my, 2004 @ Just Brilliant F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, yb, 2007 Katy Mae F, w, 2002 Knirps F, 9-27-06--11/2006, dp, 1997 Laura Bush F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, or, 2007 Le Masquerade en Villefrance F, 2-23-06 Light Of Day F, 3/2006, my, 2006 Lovestruck F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Magic Moments F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Mardi Gras F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, pb, 2008 Mariatheresia F, mp, 2004 Matilda Jones F, 1-8-07, ab, 2007 Minuette F, rb, 1969>>>Laminuette Minx F, ob, 1959>>>>Mink>>>>>>2007 OL Miss Newell F, 5-4-06, m, 2006 Monnie F, lp Moondance F, 3-21-07, 4/2007, w, 2006 @ My Everything F, 6/2006, or, 2006 My Gail F, 1-23-06--3/2006, ly, 2006 Nicole 35 petals, F>>>>>>>>with soft pink petal edges October Moon F, 3/2006, ab, 2006 Olive F, mr, 1982>>>2007 OL>>>>>(S) Peachy Cheeks F, 10-1-06, ob, 2006 Rachael Fox F, 3/2006, mr, 2006 Rainbow Sorbet F, yb, 2006 @ Rainy F, 8-11-06, 10/2006, mr, 2006 Raspberry Ice F, pb, 1989>>>(Min Fl) Red Leonardo Da Vinci F, dr---2004 Saxy Bob F, op, 2000 Scent To Remember 6-13-05--9/2005, ab, 2006 Shockwave F, my, 8-17-07, 2007 Sisters At Heart F, ab, 2006 Sixteen Candles F, lp, 2006 Soft Morning F, 1-31-06--6/2006, ab, 2006 Ssiena Vigorosa F, op, 1997 Steve Chase F, 6/2006, ob, 2006 Strawberry Ice F, pb, 1986 Summer Flurries F, w, 2002 SunQueen F, 11-13-05--5/2006, yb, 2006 Sweet Response >>>The Optimist Sweet San Carlos F, 6-13-06--7/200, m, 2006 Tassie Laua-Maree F, dp, 5-20-07 Tassie Mme Mariah F, w, 5-20-0-7※6/2007 The Daldry Rose F, 11-14-06--1/200, rb, 2006 The English Lady F---17/25, ab, 2005 Tricia F, w, 1970>>>>>>>>>2007 OL Tye Dye F, >>>5-21-06 >>>(Min Fl) Valerie Ann F, 1-23-06--3/2006, dy, 2006 Vince Butterworth F, 5-4-06, rb, 2006 Wedding Cake F, 6-15-07, w, 2007 White Walko F, 8.7, dr, 1957 Winter Haven F, 8-10-06--9/2006, lp, 2006 MINIATURES: (Min) Able Min, 11-20-06--1/2007, yb, 2006 Austin Jace Min, 2-28-06--5/2006, m, 2006 Big Apricot Min, ab, 2006 Billy Fury Min, 1-23-06--3/2006, lp, 2006 Black Heart Min, 6-13-06--7/2006, dr, 2006 Bonfire Min, 8-11-06--10/2006, rb, 2006 # Burgess pink ** Min, mp Burgess red ** Min, mr Burgess Yellow ** Min, my Caramel Kisses Min, 3-21-07, 4/2007, m, 2008 Caroline Nicholos Min, 2-23-06--5/2006, m, Changing My Habits 6-13-06--7/2006, r, 2006 Chelsea Brittlyn 12-17-06--1/2007, mp, 2006 Cherry Rose** Min, dp Chinaberry** Min, yb Coffee Bean Min, 10-1-06--11/2006, r, 2008 Damara Min, 6-27-06--9/2006, mr, 2006 Danara Min, 6-13-06--7/2006, rb, 2006 Darla Min, lp, 8-26-07, 2007 David D. Berstein, CL Min, 4-20-06--6/2006, mr Daylight’s Glow Min, 7-5-06--10/2006, my Dr Michael Noble 9-27-06--11/2006, ob, 2007 Dukata Min, 6-27-06--9/2006, ob, 2006 Eveka Min, 7-2-06--10/2006, pb, 2006 George’s Pride Min, ob, 5-20-07, 6/2007 Gloria des Lawranceanas ** Min, dr, 1837 Glowing With Pride Min, 7-2-06--10/2006, ob Golden Horizon Min, 7/2006, my, 2006 Icelantic Angel Min, w, 8-17-07, 2007 ? Happy Thoughts Min, 4-10-06--6/2006, ob Heidi-ho Min, 8-10-06--10/2006, ab, 2006 Hope And Joy 6-15-07, ob, 2007 John Boy Min, 11-20-06--1/2007, yb, 2006 Josh Alonso Min, 9-26-06--11/2006, op, 2007 Joy Min, pb, 5-20-07, 6/2007 Joy In The Morning Min, 10/2006, ab, 2006 Karmini Minimo Min, mr Klassy Lady 8-10-06--10/2006, pb, 2006 Lemon Up Min, 6-13-06--7/2006, yb, 2006 Little Pete Min, or, 2006 Love And Peace Min, 6-15-07, rb, 2007 Mardarin Min, 8-10-06--11/2006, lp, 1987 Marita Lindner Min, 10-1-06--11/2006, lp, 2006 Miss Ruth Min, mp, 1959 Molly Min, 8-2-06--10/2006, mp, 2006 Mother Lode 11-1-06--1/2007, yb, 2006 Noon Sunshine Min, 10/2006, ly, 2006 Orange Classic Min, ob, 2006 Orange You Happy Min, 7/2006, m, 2006 Orange-Cherry Up Min, 7/2006, or, 2006 Ox Min, 7.0 (7.2), rb, 1986 Pearl Sanford Min, 3-21-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Pennies From Heaven, Cl, 11/2006, r, 2007 Petite Perle d’Or Min, 1-22-07, 4/2007, ab, 2006 Pink Joey Min, 6.2, 1953 Pink ’n’ Pretty 1-22-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Pink Twist Min, 6-15-07, pb, 2007 Purple Passion Min, m R.C. Min, w Red Hot Friendship Min, rb, 2001 Rosemarin Min, pb---1965 Saluda Min, 10-2-06--11/2006, ob, 2007 # Sleeping Beauty Min, pb, 2005>>>(Min Fl) Smoked Salmon Min, 3-21-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Snowman Min, w Soulmate Min, 1-22-07, w, 2007 Spring Fling 10-1-06--11/2006, mr, 2006 Tiddly Winks Min, 10-1-06--11/2006, yb, 2008 Tiko Tiko Min, rb, 2001 Top Priority Min, lp Vital Parade Min, my, 2002 Warm & Fuzzy Min, mr, 5-20-07※6/2007 White Chariot Min, w, 2005 Willing Min, 11-20-06--1/2007, yb, 2007 Zwergkonig 78 Min, dr>>>(Min Fl) MINI-FLORA: (Min Fl) Abby’s Angel 1-8-07, 4/2007, dy, 2007 Alan Sandy Min Fl, 8-11-06, 2006 Bonfire Min Fl, >>>11-1-06, (Min) Bud Meyers Min Fl, 8-21-06, ob, 2006 Carolyn’s Passion Min Fl, my, 1-23-06 Chatsworth Min Fl, dp, 1998>>>(S)>>>2007 OL Edisto Min Fl, 1-22-07, 5-20-07, 2007 Gladys Quine Min Fl, 3/2006, ob, 2005 Golden Jewel Min Fl, dy, 1959 Grace Sharington Min Fl, mp, 5-20-07, 2007 High Ambition 8-21-06--11/2006, ab, 2006 Hot To Trot Min Fl, 8-21-06, or, 2006 Ingrid’s Sister Elisabeth 8-3-06, pb, 2006 Kieran’s Rose Min Fl, 1-1-06, yb, 2006 Kim Peters Min Fl, 2-23-06--5/2006, mp Lady Jennifer Green Min Fl, 2-23-06, dr Leading Lady Min Fl, 8-11-06, w, 2006 # Loyal Vassal 1-8-07, 4/2007, ob, 2007 Mariam Ismailjee 9-27-06---11/2006-2007 Mary’s Pleasure-the Marywoods Rose Min Fl, >>>>>>>>>>>>>5-10-06, dp, 2006 Mee Maw Min Fl, 9-14-06, pb, 2006 Memphis Cajun Min Fl, 4-30-06, m, 2006 Memphis Music Min Fl, 5/2006, rb, 2006 Mr JCB Min Fl, 4-2-06, my, 2006 Mr Lenard Min Fl, 1-8-06, 4/2007, mp, 2007 Mrs Mavis Watson Min Fl, 3/2006, ly, 2007 My Inspiration M/F, 1-8-07, 4/2007, w, 2007 Nature’s Wonder 1-8-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Nolpeg Min Fl, 7-14-04--8/2004, m, 2004 Nolsue Min Fl, 11-18-04--9/2005, pb, 2005 Picture Perfect 1-8-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Ready Min Fl, 1-20-06, yb, 2007 Regina Lee’s Sister Min Fl, temporary AEN Ricky Hendrik Min Fl , 8-2-06, dr, 2007 Rio Rita Min Fl, 3/2003--3/2006, dy, 2006 Shenandoah Min Fl, 8-2-06, dr, 2006 Sleeping Beauty l-10-31-05--6/2006, pb The Creakers Rose 2-23-06--5/2006, 2006 The Guthrie Rose 8-21-06--11/2006, 2006 Trifling Min Fl, rb, 2006 Tye-Dye Min Fl, 5-21-06, rb, 2006 Valentine’s Day 9/2004, 7-2-06, dr, 2004 Vera Roberta Carver 1-23-06--3/2006, 2007 Vice Versa Min 11-20-06--1-2007, rb, 2007 Wind Rhythm Min Fl, ob, 2001 POLYANTHA: (Pol) Alfalfa Pol, m, 8-26-07, 2007 Bossa Nova Pol, mp, 1992 Cotilde Soupert>>>Clothilde Soupert--1890 * Cotton Candy Pol, lp, 8-26-07, 2007 Fluffy Cloud Pol, 2-15-07, 4/2007, w, 2004 Little White Star Pol, 2-18-07, 4/2007, w, 2004 Marshmallow Pol, w, 8-26-07, 2007 Pink Sweetie Pol, 2-18-07, 4/2007, lp, 2004 Spanky Pol, mp, 8-26-07, 2007 Wing-Ding Pol, 10-18-06, 11/2006, mr, 2007 CLASSIC SHRUBS: HYBRID MUSKS (HMsk) De Tous Mois ** HMsk, w---Frencesca HMsk, ab, 1922 Spanish Musk Rose ** HMsk, w, HYBRID KORDESII (HKor) Cape Diamond HKor, mp, 8-26-07, 2007 HYBRID RUGOSA: (HRg) Carmina HRg, mr Caroyal ** HRg, mr Lavender White Rugosa HRg, m, 2002 Parnassine** HRg, m, 1825 Purple Springs HRg, 2-13-06, m, 2006 HYBRID WICHURANA (HWich) Lonesome Dove HWich, 10/2006, w, 2006 VF MODERN SHRUBD: (S) Ancelin** S, dp, 1829 Anna De Boleyn** S, lp, 1829 Annie S, ly, 1998>>>Annie East Atocha Gold S, 8-11-06, 9/2006, my, 2006 Baby Luke S, 1-23-06--3/2006, pb, 2006 Beginnings S, pb, 2006 Belle Rosine** S, dp, 1820 Bishop’s Castle 11-14-06--1/2007, mp, 2006 Camille Rose S, 12-1-06, 1/2007, mp, 2006 Caramella S, 8-29-06, 11/2006, my, 2001 Catherine Guelda S, 11-1-06--1/2007, m, 2006 Cesar S, 1995>>>(LCl) Cicely Phippen Marks S, lp, 8-26-07, 2007 Cinderella S, 8-29-06--11/2006, lp, 2003 Citrus Splash S, 3-21-07, 4/2007, ob, 2007 Cole’s Settlement S, w, 1-23-06, 2006 Darcey Bussell S, 11-14-06--1/2007, rb, 2006 Dolly’s Forever Rose S, rb, 2-23-06, 2006 Domaine De St Jean de Beauregard S, mp, 2006 Emina S, 7-2-06--10/2006, rb, 2006 Enigma Variation S, mp---2006 Evelyn May S, 5-20-06--6/2006, op, 2006 Exuberance S, mr, 2006 Faith S, m, 2002 Fakir’s Delight S, 6-13-06, 7/2006, w, 2006 Festive Jewel S, 5-20-06--6/2006, pb, 2005 Footloose S, dp, 1998>>>>>>2007 OL Fun Jwan Lo** S, w, 1910 Fur Elise S, 5-10-06, pb, 2007 Ganges Mist S, 5-18-05--7/2005, w, 2005 Gardener’s Joy S, 9-26-06, 11/2006, ab, 2005 Gentle Hermione 11-14-06--1/2007, 2006 Gina’s Rose 6-1-06--7/2006, rb, 2006 VF Golden Fanfare S, 1-22-07, 4/2007, my, 2005 Good ‘n’ Plenty 3-21-07, 4/2007, pb, 2007 Great Wall S, dp, 2005 Grosse Mohnkopfs Rose** S, dp, Hardii** S, yb, 1834 Henry Bierbauer S, pb, 2006 Hurdalsrosen** S, mp, 1860 Ida Red S, 8-11-06--9/2006, mr, 2006 Inclanation S, dr, 2006 Instigation S, dr, 2006 Island Dancer S, pb, 2006 Ivor’s Rose S, 5-20-06, 6/2006, rb, 2005 Ivory Warrior S, 6-1-06, 9/2006, w, 2006 Jaune Bicolor** S, yb, 1633 Joan Beatles S, 5-20-06--6/2006, dr, 2005 Joe Grey (WILjoeg) S, 2/2003, m, 2003 Josi S, 6-15-07, ly, 2007 Kitty’s Rose S, 5-20-06--6/2006, lp, 2004 La Bitta S, dy, 2005 Lady Emma Hamilton 11-14-06--1/2007, or, 2006 VF Lady Of Megginch 11-14-06--1/2007, dp, VF Landmark S, 1-23-06--3/2006, pb, 2006 Lichfield Angel S, 11-14-06--1/2007, w, 2006 Loreto Gold S, 3-21-07, 4/2007, yb, 2007 Lovely Child S, 5/2006, ab, 2006 Lowel Allen S, op, 2005 Margaret Jean S, 9/2006, pb, 2006 Mariee S, 2-15-07, 4//2007, ab, 2008 Mirato S, dp, 1998>>>>Footloose>>>>2007 OL Miss Bloomsalot S, 9/2006, op, 2006 Miss Lillian S, 1-23-06※3/2006, pb, 2006 Nativity S, ab, 2006 Nelson’s Pride S, 9-26-06--11/2006, w, 2006 Olive S, mr, 1982>>>>>>>>>>2007 OL Orange Cluster S, ob, 2006 Our Beth S, 9-26-06, 11/2006, lp, 2006 Out Of The Night 6-13-06--7/2006, w, 2006 Paddy ‘n’ Elizabeth S, 10/2006, ob, 2006 Paint The Town S, mr, 2005 Palm Springs S, 6-1-06--9/2006, mr, 2006 Palmengarten Frankfurt 11/2006, dp, 1988 Paul Cottingham S, 5/2006, dy, 2006 Persian Flame S, 6-15-07, rb, 2007 Persian Peach S, 6-15-07, yb, 2007 Pink Bianca S, mp, 2002 Pink Delight S, mp, 1999 Pink Double Knockout S, mp, 8-26-07, 2007 Pink Perlude S, 2-13-06--7/2005, mp, 2005 Pinnatifide ** S, mp, Plum Frost S, 3-21-07, 4/2007, m, 2007 Poise S, lp, 2006 Pourpre Ancien ** S, m, 1829 Premier Essai** S, w, 1866 Rainbow Knockout S, mp, 2006 @ Raspberry Bouquet 12-1-06--1/2007, 2006 VF Red Popcorn S, dp, 2005 Riches S, m Roisin Ruddle S, ob, 2004>>>Ron Ruddle * Rosy Vision S, 1-26-06--3/2006, mp, 2006 Rustler’s Dream S, 8-11-06--9/2006, lp, 2006 Scarlet Velvet S, mr, 2006 Schulenfest S, 8-11-06--9/2006, ly, 2006 Sherlock Holmes S, ab, 2006 Simon Estes S, 6-1-06--7/2006, mp, 2006 Sister Elizabeth 11-14-06--1/2007, mp, 2006 Snowcone S, 3-21-07, 4/2007, w, 2006 Stint S, or, 2006 Strawberry Hill 11-14-06--1/2007, lp, 2006 VF Striata** S, rb, Summer Song S, 11-14-06, ob, 2006 Summer Sunrise S, 6/2006, lp, 2006 Sun Queen S, 3/2006>>>(F) Sunny Knock Out S, ly, 8-17-07, 2007 Sweet Meidiland S, lp, 2003 Tea Clipper S, 11-14-06, 1/2007, ab, 2006 Teeny Bopper S, rb, 8-26-07, 2007 The Abbottsford Rose (WILjoeg)>>>Joe Grey The Imposter S, pb, 8-26-07, 2007 The Shepherdess 11-14-06, 1/2007, ab, 2006 Turneps** S, dp, Watercolors S, 10-1-06, 11/2006, yb, 2007 White Popcorn S, 17/25, w, 2005 Wild Edric S, 11-14-06, 1/2007, dp, 2006 Wild Thing S, 3-21-07, 4/2007, dp, 2007 Windermere S, 11-14-06, 1/2007, w, 2006 LG. FLOWERED CLIMBERS: (LCl) Amber Cloud LCl, 2-28-06, 5/2006, dy, 2006 Apricot LCl, ab, 2006 Blaze Of Glory LCl, ob, 2004 Brite Eyes LCl, pb, 2006 Candy Land LCl, 10-1-06, 11/2007, pb, 2007 Cesar LCl, yb, 1993 Cheers LCl, pb, 2001 Clarence House LCl, 6/2006, w, 2006 Conch Shell LCl, 11-1-06--1/2007, pb, 2006 Destiny’s Dream 11-1-06, 1/2007, my, 2006 Gainesville Garnet 8-29-06, 11/2006, dr, 2006 Harlekin LCl, 9-26-06--11/2006, w, 1986 Ivory Castle LCl, w, 5-20-07※6/2007 Jacob’s Robe LCl, 10-1-06--11/2006, yb, 2008 Laguna LCl, 8-29-06, 11/2006, dp, 2004 Lonesome Dove HWich, 8-11-06, w, 2006 Lori LCl, 2-9-07, or, 2007 Morning Magic LCl, lp, 8-17-07, 2007 New Hampshire Statehouse LCl, op, 2001 Paul Jerabek LCl, 1-22-06, 4/2007, pb, 2006 Rachael’s Smile LCl, 2-16-07, 4/2007, or, 2001 Salita LCl, 9-26-06--11/2006, or, 1987 Serape LCl, mr Sir John Mills LCl, 5-20-06--2/2006, mp, 2006 Sir Paul Smith 9-26-06--11/2006, ab, 2006 Sombreuil LCl, 11/2006, 1850 Sunset Beauty LCl, 11-1-06--1/2007, op, 2006 Sunshine Girl LCl, lp The Physician LCl, 2-15-07, 4/2007, lp, 2007 Winner’s Circle LCl, dr, 8-17-07, 2007 Zorba LCl, ab, 2005 HYBRID MUSK (HMsk) Eponine** HMsk, w, Jeri Jennings---HMsk, 1-8-07, 4/2007, yb, 2007 Lupe’s Buttons HMsk, 11-1-06, 1/2007, w, 2006 Rivers Musk** HMsk, mp, Spanish Musk Rose** HMsk, w, HYBRID GIGANTEA (HG) Alister’s Gift HG, 12-1-06, 1/2007, lp, 2003 Amber Cloud HG, 2005 Cooper’s Burmese HG, 1927 Double Cream HG, 1-8-07, 4/2007, w, 2007 Evergreen Gene HG, 11-1-06, ly, 2006 Flammetta HG, 1922 Lusitania HG, 1905 Monteariso HG, 1920 *************Old Garden Roses********** BOURBON & CL. BOURBON: (B &Cl B Pink Confection B, 4/2007, mp, 2006 HYBRID GALLICA: (HGal) Agathe Fatime** mp, >Agathe Fatim * The French Strumpet HGal, 10-1-06, dp, 2006 NOIISTTE (N) Lemon Zen N, 9-14-06--10/2006, ly, 2006 VF Sarasota Spice N, 11-1-06, 1/2007, w, 2006 VF HYBRID PERPETUAL (HP) Amelia Louise** HP, mp, 1844 Comet** HP, m, 1845 Du Roi a Fleur** HP, 1819 Hybrid SETIGERA HSet) Anna Maria** HSet, dp, 1843>>>Anne Maria * TEA & CLIMBING TEA: (T & CL T) Comelie Koch** T, w, 1855 Garnet Crest T, 12-01-06, 1/2007, pb, 2006 Krishna’s Peach T, 11-1-06, 1/2007, ab, 2006 Mlle de Sombreuil T>>> Mme de Sombreuil Mme de Sombreuil Cl T, w, >>>>>>>>(LCl) Sombreuil Cl T, w, 11/2006>>>>>>>>(LCl) MISCELLANEOUS OGR (Misc. OGR) D’Orsay rose** Misc OGR, dp, 1850 Mannington Mauve Rambler 6-15-07, m R. Collina** Misc OGR, mp, 1788 R. Turbinata** Misc OGR, m, 1629 MOSS & Cl M Fara Shim Bo M, 2-9-07, 4/2007, m, 2007 NEW ROSES WITH TEMPORARY AEN’S Abbaby de Vaisaint HT, dr, 2007 Aderley Park LCl, 2008 Alea F, dp, 2007 Amarula Profusion F, ab, 2007 Antosa de roz F, ab, 2007 Apricot Candy HT, ab, 2007 Aries HT ob, 2007 Belle Epoque HT, pb, 2007 BENcrazy Min, 2007 Biarritz HT, yb, 2007 Biedermeier Min, ab, 2007 Biedermeier Garden HT, w, 2007 Big Red HT, mr, 2007 Blue Lady LCl, m, 2007 Blush HT, w, 2007 Bold Seduction F, pb, 2007 Cantario F, mr, 2007 Castera HT, r, 2007 Christine Helene R, ly, 2007 Chrysler Min, w, 2007 Clocolan S, ab, 2007 Coco Min, ob, 2007 Comtessa S, ly, 2007 Concord HT, 2007 Coral Drift S, op, 2007 Creakes Rose F, lp, 2007 Creamsicle Min, yb, 2007 Crimson Flame F, rb, 2007 Crimson Sky LCl, mp, 2007 Cupid in the Garden S, 2007 Daisy Kordana Min, mp, 2007 Danny Haha S, ab, 2007 Dawning Moments HT, ab, 2007 Desperado HT, rb, 2007 Diamond Days Forever F, w, 2007 Douce Blanche HT, w, 2007 Elsa S, ab, 2007 Emily Carr S, mr, 2007 Eskimo S, w, 2007 Evelyne Dheliat HT, pb, 2007 Felix Leclerc S, mp, 2007 Fiesta S, pb, 2007 Fiona Gelin S, ab, 2007 Firelight S, mp, 2007 Frances Audrey S, dr, 2007 Francis Jammes F, ab, 2007 FRYmoody F, 2008 Garden of Roses S, w, 2007 Genesis S, ob, 2007 Genevieve Oris F, lp, 2007 Getano S, rb, 2007 Glenda Marie F, pb, 2007 Golden Eye Cover S, 2007 Hawaiian Punch HT, 2007 Hestrie Els HT, dp, 2007 Honey Caramel F, my, 2007 Isle HT, pb, 2007 Ivory Drift S, w, 2007 Jocelyne Salavert S, ab, 2007 John E Tovey F, mp, 2007 John McDonald F, op, 2007 King Kong HT, ab, 2007 Kiss Kordana Min, mr, 2007 Lady Bird HT, ob, 2007 Le Jardin de Bellevue S, pb, 2007 Le Plessis Robinson S, mp, 2007 Little Cherub Min, rb, 2007 Li-Ying HCh, pb, 2007 Lord Hotspur S, lp, 2007 Loving Scentsation Min, 2007 Madam Myrja Sacks HT, rb, 2007 Makybe Siva HT, lp, 2007 Mamma Mia HT, ob, 2007 Martina Mondadori Mei-li HCh, pb, 2007 Mercedes Kordana Min, ob, 2007 Michele Laroque HT, yb, 2007 Miranda S, mp, 2007 Monique Laperriere HT, dp, 2007 Mother of Pearl Gr, lp, 2007 Muff’s Pet Min, pb, 2007 Nurse Tracey Davies F, dy, 2007 Painted Lady HT, 2007 Parfume d’Orleans HT, yb, 2007 Paul Cottingham F, w, 2007 Peppermint Parfait Min, rb, 2007 Perennial Blush LCl, lp, 2007 Pink Confection S, pb, 2007 Pink Medley F, mp, 2007 Pourpre Charmant HGal, m, 2007 Priceless Pearl HT, ab, 2007 Provence Blanc HT, w, 2007 Red Baron HT, or, 2007 Red Manikin F, rb, 2007 Red Multrirosa S, mr, 2007 Red Walls HT, mr, 2007 Reflections HT, pb, 2007 Regina Lee’s Sister Min Fl, 2007 Reinhard Voigt HT, dr, 2007 Retirement Wishes Min, ab, 2007 Revival HT, mp, 2007 Rodeo Kordana Min, mr, 2007 Ronald Williams Pearce S, 2008 Rooibos Rose S, dr, 2007 Rose de Beaune S, lp, 2007 Rosenfee F, mp, 2007 Rosomane Janon S, yb, 2007 Rural English R, lp, 2007 Ruru F, pb, 2007 Ruth Bell Graham HT, mp, 2007 Salmon Flower Circus F, op, 2007 Salmon L D S, op, 2007 Senior Moment HT, m, 2007 Sharon McKenna Min, my, 2007 Shonoburedo F, m, 2007 Showtime LCl, mr, 2007 Silk Pierrine Min, w, 2007 Sinea F, mr, 2007 Smart Kordana Min, mp, 2007 Snow Queen F, w, 2007 Snowdrift S, w, 2007 Sternschnuppe S, w, 2007 Summerfield Min, dp, 2007 Sunrise Vigorosa S, my, 2007 Sunset Strip Min, or, 2007 Sven S, 2007 Sweet Cecilia HRg, w, 2007 Sweet Fragrance Gr, ab, 2007 Sweet Promise HT, op, 2007 Sweet Wishes Min, dr, 2007 Tawny Profusion F, ly, 2007 The Bishop of Bradford S, dy 2007 The Queens London Child 2008 Tibet HT, w, 2007 Tickled Pink F, mp, 2007 Together Forever F, op, 2007 Topaz HT, dp, 2007 Ubuntu Panarosa S, yb, 2007 Una van der Puy HT, mp, 2007 Vanilla Bonica S, w, 2007 Vanilla Twist F, w, 2008 Velvet Kordana Min, mr, 2007 W W F, yb, 2007 Wedding Celebration HT, dr, 2007 White Balconia S, w, 2007 White Wedding HT, w, 2007 Wild Rover S, m, 2007 Yellow Brick Road S, dy, 2007 Yellow Multirosa S, my, 2007 Young Rita HT, yb, 2007 Zayed of Abu Dhabi S,

One of my sweet 80 year old Veteran's brought me in cuttings, stating "This is my mama's rose" last year after noticing some of my cut blooms on my desk. This was the sweetest gift a nurse could receive, and I give him an extra hug every time I see him.