Hi - Elmira is only just a fraction more colourful and a couple of points lighter. & slightly closer again to the Yellow-Red Hue Family.

You may find the combination reads a tiny touch cleaner. I’m sorry I missed Lori’s comment above; but as mentioned there if you are feeling you are now closing in on a colour it maybe time for at least a couple more larger scale samples. (on boards or decals though, not on the wall) The lighting may help you make a final decision.

Maybe it's time to get samples and take a look. I'd get Elmira and Natural Cream.

Lori I will do that!!! how do compare natural cream and elmira?

I think you're down to painting sample boards so you can move the colors around and which ever one looks the prettiest, go with that one.

hi ladies! I got my samples and for some reason all three are looking still so muddy in my living room! what I dont understand is the LRV on natural cream elmira and edgecombe are all higher than AB especially natural cream...but when placed here they look the same amount if darkness.... any thoughts?

hi ladies! I got my samples and for some reason all three are looking still so muddy in my living room! what I dont understand is the LRV on natural cream elmira and edgecombe are all higher than AB especially natural cream...but when placed here they look the same amount if darkness.... any thoughts?

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they look the same amount if darkness.... any thoughts?

The muddy could be coming from the white surrounding each color. White will distort actual color appearance.

Two full coats on individual sample boards painted all the way to edge is best.

Lori which do like best of the 3?

its obvious natural cream is more yellow

okay Lori! here we go from left to right in every photo - natural cream, edgecomb gray, elmira white... thoughts???????

so hard to choose!!!!

It's so hard to read color online, but from what I see - and know about Natural Cream - I like Natural Cream the best with the floors and overall.

I agree Lori! I like natural cream but worry itll be too stark with my orange cabinets and floors. it seems everything looks gray in my home lol. I do like the warmth of elmira white. see elmira on left and natural cream on right but it appears to have pink in it

here are a few more comparison photos if anyone wants to chime in... would love to hear if you have Edgcomb gray, natural.cream or elmira white in YOUR space! thank you so much!

I feel your pain. I went through a similar nightmare looking for the perfect light neutral color to connect my warm orangey cabinets with my brown-grey-cool granite countertops. Elmira White was in the running, and I am pretty sure I excluded it for too much pink. Natural Cream was also in the running but I can't recall why it lost. I think I have about a dozen sample paint cans in my basement of contenders!!!

I originally believed I needed to lean more warm than cool, but it turned out that Clay-Beige was perfect. It was cooler than I had originally envisioned but it is really clean which turned out to be a more important attribute. It is amazing the undertones all these off whites bring to the party! I also wanted a light color but enough color to contrast with my dark white trim (China white). If I was willing to repaint all the trim, I might have had more choices, but I didn't want to take that on

I looked for that discovery thread here in the Paint forum but I can't find it. I hate the new Houzz/Gardenweb interface.

I'm not sure why there is a school of thought to not paint directly on the walls. I do that all the time. (In bright light spots a light sand is recommended before real paint goes on.)

I also do foam boards when I am running out of wall space. I think your narrow strips are not helping you. I take a foam board from Michaels and cut it in 4 squares. I have twenty years worth of prepainted foam boards in my basement stash :-)

hi Wendy! thanks for your comment. I feel like pulling my hair out after looking at these boards on the wall!!! I haven't tried Clay beige but may give it a shot! is it warmer than Natural cream but cooler than Elmira white? would love to see your photos if you have any!!!!!

Oops... I looked at my sample colors and boards and I did not have Natural Cream in the running... it was Natural Linen. So I can't comment on Natural Cream.

When I compare my Elmira white chip to my final winner Clay Beige, they are similar tones (clean), but Clay Beige is a little darker (62 LRV). I had a pencilled note on my Elmira card, "cooler", but I don't know compared to what - LOL! Possibly compared to Muslin which I wrote "warm" (LRV67). Elmira is LRV 65 which seems like the right place you want to land. I wanted to land just a tad darker.

Here are a couple of pictures of Clay Beige in my room, but it is important to note that the natural light is 15 feet away and I don't trust the accuracy of the camera/monitor process. To my eye, the picture with the cabinet comes off a little greyer than reality. Notice the shadows from the artificial lighting.

Wendy! the clay beige looks beautiful especially next to your cabinets! I'm worried my top running ones are too cool and gray next to the cabinets.

That's funny. It's all relative. To me and what I had been considering, clay beige was cooler! But I went with as light as I could get away with. The lighter, the safer IMO.

Late to the party but I was always told wood floors and cabinets are like jeans. Whatever color you choose has to be repeated 3 times for it to work. Honestly, all the samples are different shades of what you already have. Have you tried pale Oak by Benjamin Moore? It's a very light greige that is def not muddy. If you continue to see Mud go with a color. Good luck

C hogan thank you for coming in! I have tried pale oak and it was too stark cool gray next to my cabinets and floors. I think everything looks gray in my home. I was hoping for a warm creamy neutral

I think this thread is the discussion I am remembering. It helped me. You may find it helpfull too.

It sounds to be that you need to get out of the griege category and go with a neutral with a yellow undertone. Monroe bisque or even a Manchester tan by BM.

I have Winds breath (kitchen) and Edgecombe gray ( open concept LR/DR) with similar cabinets and floors. I love Edgecombe Gray (I had it mixed at Sherwin Williams though). In my space it is creamier than Natural Cream. Natural cream was chalky looking in my lighting. The only time Edgecombe looks muddy is before I turn on the lights in the evening. Our windows are Southeast, Northwest and Southwest exposure

I find natural cream has more yellow to it... and elmira has more pink to it.. which undertone would enhance the orange colour of the cabinets and floors? I fine Edgecomb is most gray out of the 3.

Excuse the clutter but this is Edgecombe in our space:

HD it looks lovely! if it would look that warm in my home I would choose it. but it seems all of the swatches are gray

Lori, do you find elmira white with the pinkish undertones look nice with oak? I've also seen people recommending ballet white and that it looks nice with oak but it seems to light

We used Edgecomb for our entire house at the suggestion of the stager when we were selling. It really looked great, and there was nice variation in each room because of sunlight so that it wasn't obvious it was the same color. I'll add photos but unfortunately they were taken in late afternoon light (after the staging) so it's mostly indoor lighting and not sunshine. Not sure if I can load a video walkthrough I have in daylight. Hope this helps!

drsweetie it looks beautiful in your home! maybe I need to get warmer artificial lighting. Someone also mentioned Feather down by Benjamin Moore if anyone has had experience with this one! I believe it's just a tad warmer than natural cream!

alright everyone, I'm trying out a few different shades so please let me know if you have used any of these in your home or clients homes:

Egret white
Grecian ivory
drift of mist
winds breath

Hi What did you end up with? Have to make a decision by tomorrow! Torn between White sand, Elmira White with my Oak cabinets!

What color did you all pick?

I've moved on to off whites!!!! aesthetic white, white duck and shoji white! so far aesthetic looks best!

What did you all pick? I am torn by all of the colors that you are debating. Would love to hear the outcome.

I used BM white sand with our oak floors and cabinets because edgecomb gray pulled too gray. White sand had just enough warmth to go with the wood but is still in that greige category.

Great choice with the cabinets and floors and making things looks fresh. I am thinking of Edgecomb Gray for I am painting my cabinets white.

@Girlmom101 that looks very nice! I was also considering Aesthetic White, but was afraid it might look to pink/cool - do you find that as the sun changes throughout the day? Do you have more pics? TIA

Christy25 if anything it looks too yellow/green at times of the day.. very cream.

I am deciding between Edgecomb, Natural Cream and Elmira White. My room has both south and north facing and I tried (Clay Beige(too dark) Inukshuk(too pinky) Shaker Beige(too dark orange) but looks great on walls in other areas. Is Natural Cream less gray than Edgecomb. Not sure Elmira will work because it might go pink. I could go with Edgecomb but it is the more grayer choice and I wanted something more neutral beige with some grey and no orange, green or yellow undertones which seems impossible. Thought maybe windsbreath but might be too light. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Try Bm Swiss coffee for the walls and natural cream for the ceiling. This is the new look!

I painted maritime white and am very happy with it Swiss cofee was the runner up but looked more stark.

Hi oreolucca1! I am wondering what color trim you used to go with maritime white? Your house looks so good!

Do you have north or south exposure? I read that maritime white has an orange undertone amd I am wondering if that‘s what you see or any other undertone.

Has anyone used Ben Moore Natural Cream for cabinets and Swiss Coffee for walls?