Trump Administration Blocks California Wildfire Relief

nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

With all that national forest land burning, Trump thinks California hasn't managed the federal government's forests properly. He needs to look in the mirror.

He'll receive no electoral votes from us, so he gives us the middle finger.

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Trump administration blocks California wildfire relief

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-15/trump-administration-blocks-wildfire-relief-funds


The Trump administration has rejected California’s request for disaster relief funds aimed at cleaning up the damage from six recent fires across the state, including Los Angeles County’s Bobcat fire, San Bernardino County’s El Dorado fire, and the Creek fire, one of the largest that continues to burn in Fresno and Madera counties.

The decision came late Wednesday or early Thursday when the administration denied a request from Gov. Gavin Newsom for a major presidential disaster declaration, said Brian Ferguson, deputy director of crisis communication and media relations for the governor’s Office of Emergency Services.

Ferguson could not provide a reason for the federal government’s denial.

President Trump has threatened to withhold federal dollars in aid before, including in2019 unless state officials “get their act together, which is unlikely.”

A major disaster declaration allows for cost-sharing for damage, cleanup and rebuilding between the state and federal government. It also activates federal programs led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

California did not ask for a specific dollar amount because damage estimates are not complete, Ferguson said.

“The true cost won’t be known for months or years afterward,” he said.

He added: “What the state is looking for is the highest level of federal support, which requires the highest bars be cleared. But we feel our case for those requirements has been met.” [ . . . ]

Outside the Southern California fires, the state is also asking for aid for Mendocino County’s Oak fire and Siskiyou County’s Slater fire.

Newsom formally submitted a letter to the White House and FEMA on Sept. 28 asking for such a declaration and citing the fact that five of the six largest fires in California’s recorded history have taken place this year.

The biggest is the August Complex fire, which began Aug. 16 and as of Oct. 15 had burned just over 1 million acres through seven Northern California counties and was 77% contained.

Newsom also said funds would go toward helping rebuild public infrastructure, miles of roads, parks, signs and fire shelters.

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dandyfopp

More than a middle finger- you can die and it would be just fine with Donnie.

Donnie fans who reside in a blue state should have the sense to take note, but cult has to cult.

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Michele

Supporters of this madman are so misguided and blind. Again and again, his vindictive actions hurt the people and resources of this nation.

he does not love this country. Only worships himself and the Almighty Dollar.


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Iris GW

200,000+ people dead is quite a bit of substance.

ETA: I think a post is missing ... I was replying to someone.

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lurker111

Thanks to cuomo and his blue wave of peaceful rioters. The left can play dumb all day it and it won't change the facts.

Sad to see some people use the dead for political propaganda. I guess it's all they have. After 47 years of biden, the best he can come up with is "I want to do what Trump has already done. I was against it but now I'm for it. Thanks for the ideas. BTW, I'm going to tax you soooo good. My son will be set for life, as long as he gives me half of the money."

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Iris GW

Sad to see some people use the dead for political propaganda.

Sad to see that avoidable American deaths mean nothing to others. But 4 people died at Benghazi, right? That wasn't used for political propaganda ....

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olliesmom

Newson has ruined California. I've said it before, people are leaving in droves. Another Dem run state. The good people with common sense are leaving, if they can.

eta: There needs to be someone more responsible than Newson to give relief money.

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olychick

The disaster relief would be helping not only dems in CA but also repub voters - all PEOPLE! Lucky for the repubs that they know a dem administration, Biden or anyone in the future, will not use people's suffering to be vindictive. Imagine denying hurricane relief to a red state? Not going to happen from a dem admin. But just hope the covid president doesn't decide that your red state has offended him somehow.

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Toby

The question is whether Trump was right to deny federal disaster relief funds because of the forest fires. Can Trumpers answer that simple question or is bashing California all ya got?

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terezosa / terriks

Without blue states tax dollars there would be no money for disaster relief.

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Toby

But Trump is such a unifier! And Obama was a divider!

As vgkg said this morning "in trumpworld up is down and down is up".

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Iris GW

Worth repeating:

The question is whether Trump was right to deny federal disaster relief funds because of the forest fires. Can Trumpers answer that simple question or is bashing California all ya got?

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foodonastump

It’s almost a shame that Biden wants to treat the red states as fellow Americans.

(Almost, not really.)

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barncatz

All emergency and major disaster declarations are made solely at the discretion of the President of the United States. The Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C.Aug 13, 2020

Man, this is horrible. I hope we are all sending money to support causes or groups in CA, including children and animals who weren't putrid DEMOCRATS last time I checked, but this denial, out of sheer political spite, is just incredible.

What has happened to us?

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olychick

HE happened to us. Speaking of national disasters...

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Bestyears

Taking his ball and going home.

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lurker111

What has happened to us?

Obama, but it didn't work on most stable people. Thanks for asking.

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Stars Inthesky

How despicable of trump, par for the course. He treats blue states like we are not part of America, what a petty, small man.

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dirtygert(5-NY)

If/when Trump loses, this will look tame by comparison. There will be no end (or ceiling) to his vindictiveness --- America will have to be "punished" for not supporting him. Scares the bejeezus outta me and should frighten anyone who has been paying attention these last 4 years.

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lurker111

lol. All of your imagined fears never materialized.

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Bunny

Newson has ruined California.

Who is Newson?

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cattyles

Trump throwing his sucker in the dirt again.

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HU-293745350

It seems that Rump isn't the only one who doesn't understand "federal"

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DawnInCal

Worth repeating: The federal government owns and manages 57% of California's forests. The state owns and manages a mere 4% of California's forests and the rest is privately owned.

Hmmmmm...I'd say that Trump and Co aren't doing a very good job of raking the forests floors of the National/Federal forest land in California. As usual, Trump is blaming others for his failures.


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catspa_zone9sunset14

Not to mention that most of the areas that have burned in CA are Republican strongholds within the state. The Creek Fire (still burning), for example, is in Tom McClintock's 4th district and right up to the border of Devin Nunes' 22nd district. A lot of the humungous August Complex fire (still burning, over 1 million acres, and occasionally heading toward some of my extended family's ranches) is in Doug LaMalfa's 1st district. And so on. All of them are up for re-election, of course....

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Gizmo

olliesmom

Newson
has ruined California. I've said it before, people are leaving in
droves. Another Dem run state. The good people with common sense are
leaving, if they can.

eta: There needs to be someone more responsible than Newson to give relief money.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You do realize, usually people are leaving due to economics don't you--and not politics...so what does that mean, all those liberals & progressives are moving to red states and diluting the conservatives .

Why do you think TX is going purple...and soon to be blue?

Same for other red states that are becoming purple/blue.

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olychick

Yes^^^ gerrymander that!

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Annie Deighnaugh

So stupid on trump's part as now, just before an election, he should be buying as many votes as he can, including from CA. Instead his mean little vindictive self is so fixated at putting the blue states down that he can't even see how helping CA would be helping his own re-election.

What a maroon!

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Iris GW

He is just demonstrating that he thinks he's only president to the people who like him, a shrinking number every day. Imagine how the Republicans in California feel about him now.

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barncatz

We need a campaign featuring the lost and burned animals with a big "Thanks For Nothing Trump " logo.

So heartbreaking and maddening - an apt description of the last four years.

Please make a donation if you haven't already.

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Lars(Z11a (coastal L.A.) and Z9a (desert))

People moving to Texas from California tend to be republicans, which only means that California becomes bluer - it does not mean that Texas is becoming purple.

I would never consider moving back to Texas from California, and California is still gaining more people than it is losing. At some point, population growth is no longer good, and this is especially true for many of the overpopulated countries of the earth with high birth rates. Overpopulation is a huge factor in why people are forced to emigrate and to start wars. People need Lebensraum.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Is this a new record? They are already in the process of reversing the rejection (https://abc7news.com/trump-administration-reverses-decision-to-deny-ca-aid/7080706/) and guess who is already making a statement about that -- surprise, surprise :-):

Though the reasoning on the change isn't yet clear, Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) said Friday that the president was "committed to reverse FEMA's decision to deny the request" and a "Presidential Disaster Declaration is imminent and help is on the way."


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Though the reasoning on the change isn't yet clear

10News

@10News

·19m

Gov. Newsom says after call with President Trump, California's request for wildfire aid has been approved

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DawnInCal

barncatz, while I don't have any sort of animal feature, here are a few stories about animals that have been affected and/or rescued.


Owl Co-pilot

Trooper

This actually happened in Washington state, but it's still a heartwarming story:

Rescued Calf

And, if anyone is interested in checking it out, the Oakland Zoo is caring for three mountain lion cubs that were orphaned in the Zogg Fire in N. Cal.

Oakland Zoo cares for orphaned mountain lions

This one is from the Carr fire two years ago, but to me, it's another heartwarming story worth sharing:

CHP rescues fawn from Carr Fire

There are a lot of really good people out here risking their lives to save people, homes, communities and wildlife. Some of them have lost their own homes while trying to save others. It's hard to believe that anyone doesn't think they deserve some assistance from THEIR government leaders.

ETA that it is good that President WishyWashy has decided to do the right thing. It would be so much easier if he'd only do the right thing the first time around!

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olychick

Someone must have convinced him the optics of the denial would hurt him even further. Not because he suddenly had a twinge of empathy or sympathy for those blue state losers who are suffering, I'm sure.

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Iris GW

He was an idiot to do that and the optics of it will be remembered.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Maybe this is why the change of heart -- Trump is coming to California for fund raising.


Carla Marinucci

@cmarinucci

·1h

In Florida,

@RealDonaldTrump tells crowd that re: big tech and Silicon Valley..."I don't want their money." He heads to CA this week for big fundraiser at Newport Beach home of CA tech mogul

@PalmerLucky - where tickets go as high as $150,000 a couple

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zmith

Remember, everything donny does; every action and decision, is based on how it will help his re-election.

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olychick

And line his pockets.


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miss lindsey (She/Her)(8a)

The reasoning isn’t yet clear?

Are they kidding?

Here’s the reason and it’s been perfectly clear from the start:

Donald’s standard operating procedure is Create a Problem, Sell the Solution.

Problem: Donald refuses to work with Democrats to obtain disaster relief.

Solution: Elect Republican Congresspeople who can get through to him.

It’s laughably transparent.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Kevin McCarthy also gave Trump a call. Gee, I wonder why?

The abrupt turnaround came after the president spoke with Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, and Representative Kevin McCarthy, a Republican and the House minority leader, with the White House saying the men “presented a convincing case” for the state receiving the aid.source

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)


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socks(10a)

Olliesmom, If you are going to criticize California’s governor, at least spell his name correctly.

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elvis

From the OP link: “Just got off the phone with President Trump who has approved our Major Disaster Declaration request. Grateful for his quick response,” Gov. Gavin Newsom said in an afternoon statement.

The prior evening, FEMA rejected the state’s request for disaster relief funds for six recent California wildfires, including Los Angeles County’s Bobcat fire, San Bernardino County’s El Dorado fire, and theCreek fire, one of the largest that continues to burn in Fresno and Madera counties.

FEMA's press secretary, Lizzie Litzow, said in a statement Friday before Trump reversed the decision that the agency determined "the early September fires were not of such severity and magnitude to exceed the combined capabilities of the state, affected local governments, voluntary agencies and other responding federal agencies."

Newsom tweeted Friday that he appealed to Trump during a phone call, and the president approved the disaster declaration after his administration initially rejected it.

So, Newsom asked, FEMA said no, Newsom called POTUS, POTUS said yes. Nice story. Next.



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catspa_zone9sunset14

So, Newsom asked, FEMA said no, Newsom called POTUS, POTUS said yes. Nice story. Next.

Wasn't just FEMA that said "no", elvis. The president also said "no", at first:

Earlier on Friday, Judd Deere, a White House spokesman, referred to the Federal Emergency Management Agency when he said aid for the September fires “was not supported by the relevant data that states must provide for approval and the president concurred with the FEMA administrator’s recommendation.”

Apparently, rejections are less common in election years:

The initial rejection was unusual but not unprecedented: A 2017 report by the Congressional Research Service found that from 1974 to 2016 presidents denied requests for disaster relief an average of 2.9 times per year during nonelection years, and 2.1 times in a year with a presidential election.

Newsom and McCarthy weren't the only ones in touch:

Mr. Trump’s reversal on the aid came after members of his party in California urged him to change his mind. “I am writing to respectfully request your reconsideration,” State Senator Andreas Borgeas, a Republican, wrote Mr. Trump in a letter on Friday. The Creek Fire, which ravaged parts of Mr. Borgeas’s district, “caused unprecedented damage during these most unprecedented times,” he said.

The Creek Fire, though not the largest, has been tough to contain, as it has run over mostly remote and rugged parts of the Sierra Nevada:

The Creek Fire that started on Sept. 4 is among the largest fires in California history, burning 344,000 acres as of Friday. The fire, the scene of dramatic helicopter rescues, has destroyed more than 850 buildings, threatens thousands more and has forced more than 24,000 people to evacuate. It is 60 percent contained.

DH and I did a day hike yesterday in Tuolumne Meadows in Yosemite (that would be Yose-might, to Trumpsters) along the Lyell Fork of the Tuolumne River and the entire sky to the south was filled with a solid bank of smoke from that fire, still, though the smoke and its PM were kept away from us by a shift away from prevailing winds (the so-called "Diablo Wind") that we were taking advantage of. Otherwise, air quality in Tuolumne Meadows has been terrible, mainly due to the Creek Fire. But, there are also some some lightening-started fires within the park that are being allowed to burn, uncontained, to the west of Tuolumne Meadows -- we drove through the remains of some of those and saw them still burning in the distance.

The usual thorough NY Times story: source

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elvis

Earlier on Friday, Judd Deere, a White House spokesman, referred to the Federal Emergency Management Agency when he said aid for the September fires “was not supported by the relevant data that states must provide for approval and the president concurred with the FEMA administrator’s recommendation.”

So Trump listened to the experts. Make up your minds.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

So Trump listened to the experts. Make up your minds.

Not necessarily "experts", given the number of unqualified political appointees in this administration who, more likely than not, call the shots. (Look at what political aides have done to expert advice from the poor CDC, for just one example.)

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maddie260

'Taxation without representation' describes the status of blue states under this corrupt administration. Only appeals to dt's vanity or glorification get results; this is crazy. Expert opinions in this administration? Don't make me laugh- there are NONE.

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tapla(mid-Michigan z-5b-6a)

If you're going to act like kids, it's probably a good idea to consider who gave whom the finger first. Not to put too fine a point on it, but, Trump held out an olive branch day after election day, what did you do?

I think I understand your chagrin, but tough love often seems more like bad Karma. By the millions, you treat trump like a pariah, vilify and make sport of him endlessly, scorn him, belittle him and his family at every turn, blame him for ANY thing you can put a negative spin on, and would dance/sing as he burns at the stake; but, he's expected to be the only adult in the room, overlook CA's childish lack of self restraint in venturing onto the labyrinthine paths you choose to meander without aforethought, and still go to bat for you by slicing through all the government red tape you've impeded yourselves with, all in order to bail you out. Why not learn from your mistakes, act responsibly, take a look at your budget, reorder your priorities to reflect at least a hint of following a reasonable man standard, and pull yourselves out of the hole you dug and and are beginning to feel trapped in?

Can you show me where, in The Constitution, the FedGov is obligated to save California from itself? Doesn't California have a CEO, name of Newsom? Wouldn't he be the logical go-to guy? What does he say. Ohhhh - he's passing the buck too? Prolly a hellagood idea to get rid of that charlatan with the same hollowed out look Hunter has. The state of his state is not just the FedGov's fault - it's Trump's fault, personally. Riiight? Didn't you just say as much? Hollywood has lots of money and there is certainly no shortage opinions to be had there, so that's another idea. Hey - you could tax the heck outa the denizens of Silicon Valley, too.

The government is not your/our benefactor, and bigger government with greater over-reach is most certainly not better. The less of it you have, the better off (and freer) we will become - individually and collectively. Then again, that sort of depends on a willingness to commit to law and order, so you're kinda gonna hafta suffer some major anxiety in the immediate future on that front too. You think it's bad now? Wait awhile and see what happens if the Cali-comrades get their way. You'll forget all about the fires ..... prolly not the black-outs though, those are still going to be a bummer. Look inward Grasshopper, and the answer will be clear. You need only fortitude enough to be honest with yourself.

Al

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olychick

"Can you show me where, in The Constitution, the FedGov is obligated to save California from itself"

Can you show me, where in the Constitution, it's mandated that blue states pay more in taxes to benefit poor red states?

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

By the millions, you treat trump like a pariah

That's what happens with Traitors to America.


BTW, most forest land in California is Federal:

Of the approximately 33 million acres of forest in California, federal
agencies (including the USDA Forest Service and USDI Bureau of Land
Management and National Park Service) own and manage 19 million acres
(57%). State and local agencies including CalFire, local open space,
park and water districts and land trusts own another 3%.

https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Can you show me, where in the Constitution, it's mandated that blue states pay more in taxes to benefit poor red states?

Hey, olychick: "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" Oh, wait a minute.... ;-)

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tapla(mid-Michigan z-5b-6a)

I wish I could click 'like' more than once!!

Al

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

The large fire in Los Angeles County -- Bobcat Fire -- is in the Angeles NATIONAL Forest; the large fire is San Bernardino County -- El Dorado Fire -- is in the San Bernardino NATIONAL Forest. San Diego's Valley Fire is in the Cleveland NATIONAL Forest.

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maddie260

Why do blue states have to keep bailing red states out of hurricanes and floods year after year? It’s getting really old! And, there are more of them every year! Since Rs don’t believe in federal help for blue states, I could suggest we stop helping red states as well? Every state for itself? Tapia, does that work for you? But, in the meantime, get the federal government out to California to manage the lion’s share of the forests under their ownership!!

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huachuma

"BTW, most forest land in California is Federal"

Not only that, but over the years the most devastating fires in Northern California have disproportionately affected areas that are claimed by "State of Jefferson" proponents; counties that heavily supported Mr. Trump...

Does the president not understand this simple fact?

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

trump was against it, until he was for it.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Exactly, nancy -- why isn't the federal government taking care of their forests properly? Why is CalFire putting out THEIR fires?

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huachuma

"I wish I could click 'like' more than once!!"

Go for it...

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Annie Deighnaugh

Can you show me, where in the Constitution....

See bolded portion...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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Annie Deighnaugh

I always find it so rich when trumplicans fall back on the letter of the Constitution to make their points while ignoring such obvious violations of the Constitution when it suits them, such as:

The Foreign Emoluments Clause (art. I, § 9, cl. 8):
“[N]o Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under
[the United States], shall, without the Consent of the
Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or
Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or
foreign State.”

----

The Domestic Emoluments Clause (a.k.a. the
Presidential Emoluments Clause) (art. II, § 1, cl. 7):
“The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his
Services, a Compensation which shall neither be
encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he
shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within
that Period any other Emolument from the United
States, or any of them.”

----

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

The US Constitution is selectively read; kind of like the Christian Bible.

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czarinalex(6a)

So this morning the headlines read:

Trump reverses course and grants California's wildfire disaster declaration request

Who thinks this was a stunt to make him look like the saviour?

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

^^^ gods do like to taunt & tease for their self amusement.

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barncatz

So, Newsom asked, FEMA said no, Newsom called POTUS, POTUS said yes. Nice story. Next.

Nope. Nice fake excuse for the continually inexcusable. Next.


All emergency and major disaster declarations are made solely at the discretion of the President of the United States. The Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C.Aug 13, 2020

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elvis

Like I posted above, POTUS relied on the experts, in this case, FEMA. A more explanatory phone call from the CA governor helped POTUS to gain more insight into the situation. Hopefully, throwing more money at CA will put a finger in the dyke for their hemorraging budgets.

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