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roxsol

“Architect of the legal fight for women's rights in the 1970s, Ginsburg subsequently served 27 years on the nation's highest court, becoming its most prominent member.”

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foodonastump

Sick to my stomach.

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HU-400972298

Godspeed RBG.


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Just heard the announcement on NPR.

Ginsburg subsequently served 27 years on the nation's highest court, becoming its most prominent member

Most prominent and respected member . . .

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HU-400972298

Wonder if Trump knew she was about to pass, with his filling out his SCOTUS pick list just a couple days ago.

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Annie Deighnaugh

She did her best. Made it to 87.

I'm heart broken....and sick to my stomach.

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paprikash

God bless her. What a bright and formidable woman! Very sad news

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Iris GW

Just days before her death, as her strength waned, Ginsburg dictated this statement to her granddaughter Clara Spera: "My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed."

Certainly Trump knew.

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

*sob* I've never been one to adopted others to be my hero, but she was one of the very few that qualified. I'm so sad on so many levels.

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Ziemia(6a)

How to respect her service? Wait until January 21, 2021.

How to unite the country? Wait to vote until January 21, 2021.

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HU-400972298

She won't be replaced until after the election. Whether it's a new President is tbd.

She gambled on Hillary and lost. Should have stepped down while Obama was early in his second term.

Man plans and God laughs.

Lesson.

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Annie Deighnaugh

This may be the penultimate straw in our nation as we knew it.

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maifleur03

I doubt if Congress has the guts to not replace her until after the election and if Trump loses until he is out of office.

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nickel_kg(6)

I'm so upset for our country I'm not properly mourning the woman. Pause.

Rest in Peace, Ruth. Comfort to your family and friends.

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Nana H

God rest her soul. Such a loss and I fear the timing is such that her death is going to be politicized ......she doesn't deserve that and I pray the US Senate sees it that way. RIP RGB...you will forever be an American icon.

ETA Just like when my Mom passed I am irrationally annoyed at her for leaving us when we needed her to stay with us

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Iris GW

She will be remembered for so much. A woman for many young people to look up to.

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MrsM(6)

Oh god. She hung in there as long as she humanly could. RIP.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

RIP RGB

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deegw

God laughs? Gross.

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haydayhayday



Just now.

Hay

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Just now.

Can't we even wait for a few hours of mourning?

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paprikash

Would love to see Barrett nominated

eta Nancy, one can feel sad and still think ahead

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Annie Deighnaugh

Should have stepped down while Obama was early in his second term.

What makes you think mcconnell wouldn't have blocked her replacement if she had resigned then...he blocked garland for over a year.

Let's see how fast moscow mitch gets his hypocrisy on.

Either way, if the SC steps in to appoint the president as it did in bush v gore, this could easily hand the presidency to trump.

The dems only hope is an overwhelming win by Biden.

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war garden

tradition says you morn at least 7 days

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roxsol

I just heard a report that RBG recently dictated a statement to her granddaughter that one of her hopes was that she did not pass away while the current POTUS was in office.

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leona_2008

I am heartbroken. Anyone who thinks McConnell has the decency to wait doesn't know McConnell. I hope he proves me wrong. Nope, as I write this Pete Williams is saying that McConnell has already said he won't wait.

Apologies to everyone. I don't mean to be disrespectful of RBG but I am fearful for our country.

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gettingnowhere

So sad, what a formidable woman to reckon with, the end of an era!

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Nana H

Go for it Mitch.........that should really put the Senate majority on the table.

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lurker111

RIP. Sorry to hear.

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haydayhayday

nancy:

"Can't we even wait for a few hours of mourning?"

Iris couldn't wait two minutes.

"Mitch McConnell - don't you DARE."

...

"Certainly Trump knew."


Annie made it just a bit longer.

"Let's see how fast moscow mitch gets his hypocrisy on."

But, but, but... Hay!

Just the facts, ma'am.


Hay

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deegw

Posting info from a betting site about her replacement is NOT respectful.

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elvis

RIP, RBG. She loved the law.

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paprikash

To those lecturing me, read the 2/16/16 disrespectful Thread when Scalia passed away. There was ding ding the witch is dead, pig, etc. and how “turtle face” will block a nomination, etc. — so go suck a pickle hypocrites.

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patriciae_gw(07)

What I was going to say Dee.

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wildchild2x2

I am on the other side of the political spectrum. Didn't always agree with her but have always admired her tenacity and standing on her beliefs. May she rest in peace.

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haydayhayday

"Posting info from a betting site about her replacement is NOT respectful."

You want to carry on about me, now?

Patriciae does:

"What I was going to say Dee."

Funny.

Hay

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mrskjun(9)

She was a person to be admired. My deepest sympathies to her family.

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justerrilynn(10)

I feel the same Wildchild, she was an amazing woman,

a small package that was bigger than the world.

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haydayhayday

I don't know much about her politics, but I'm actually quite fond of her.


A woman after my own heart.

"Ginsburg: I wasn't '100 percent sober' at SOTU"

Brought a little excitement to an otherwise very boring event.

I'll miss her.






Hay

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Annie Deighnaugh

Well that didn't take long...hypocrisy, thy name is mcconnell


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mudhouse

Very few people can point to a life as full of accomplishments. I wish her family peace and strength.


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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

A terrible loss of a truly great jurist.

& many thanks to those showing everyone the nature of their character.


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Ann

"Go for it Mitch.........that should really put the Senate majority on the table"

And, you're lecturing Paprikash?

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rob333 (zone 7a)

I thought my depression couldn't get any deeper for this land. She was the last bastion. The last hope for the US. My heart is really broken! She's was the only voice of reason that was left. NO!

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haydayhayday


The death of Scalia on Feb. 13, 2016.


https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/3686421/scalia-dead-at-79#n=219

Funny.

Hay

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Ann

Unbelievable news!

RBG was an amazing woman and justice, truly amazing!

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elvis

haydayhayday


The death of Scalia on Feb. 13, 2016.

https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/3686421/scalia-dead-at-79#n=219

Funny.

Hay

Yep. Some real sensitive remarks there.

patriciae_gw(07)

Dying of a heart attack at 79 is not only not a tragedy it in no way implies you ignored anything. I am confident his doctor knew he had a heart condition and he was hardly nipped in the bud. He died in a comfortable bed in a fancy resort ranch with friends and doing what he liked to do. His family can take comfort for that.

Now me, I think his of dying[sic] is a gift. I don't know him or his family and I don't see them reading this so I can be frank. He was filled with spite and evil and he brought that to work. It was so unfortunate that his work affects so many of us. It is hard to imagine he could be replaced with anyone equal or worse though I suppose that is possible, but not probable.


heri_cles

The black hand of Justice is dead.


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Annie Deighnaugh

Here's to you RBG, an extraordinary life well lived.

May you rest in peace.


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Ann

President's Trump rally has just ended and he will now learn the news. The rally had begun before the news broke and President has yet to learn the news.

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leona_2008

Just made a donation to Amy McGrath, twice my usual amount.

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foodonastump

President has yet to learn the news.


Not according to CNN, who reported his reaction.

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Ann

FOAS, what did CNN report? Fox News thinks he learned as he was boarding the plane to leave the rally. They are rewinding the tape to play Trump's words as the reporter informed him. I'm behind slightly as I had to pause the TV, so I'm about to hear his reaction momentarily.

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mudhouse

Thanks for the link to the reaction to Scalia's passing, Hay. That was before I was reading here, and the difference in response is interesting.

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cait1

@ AD

Well that didn't take long...hypocrisy, thy name is mcconnell

Not at all. You can blame Reid and the democRats who gamed the system back in 2013. democRats shouldn't have been so greedy.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned Democrats Thursday that they’d regret using the “nuclear option.”

“You’ll regret this, and you may regret this a lot sooner than you think,” McConnell said on the Senate floor.

Senate
Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday started the process of
invoking the nuclear option, saying he wanted to change Senate rules to
prevent the minority from filibustering any nominations other than those
to the Supreme Court
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https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/191057-mcconnell-youll-regret-this

You should have been upset when Reid also gave the Republicans this advantage. But nooo, you were happy then. Be happy now. You are getting what you voted for.

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Joaniepoanie

McConnell issuing a statement within hours of RBG’s death saying he will present Trump’s nomination before the election —-hypocritical, unscrupulous, immoral. That is being kind. I hope voters will remember in November.

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Ann

Kayleigh McEnany just verified that Trump learned of the RBG death as he was about the board the plane to leave the rally. I think that was quite apparent from his rally and from his reaction as he was told. I will go google what CNN said.

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heri_cles

Elvis quoted me after the death of Scalia:

"The black hand of Justice is dead." = hericles

That was a succinct expression of how I felt at the time.

At least I own up to what I post here.



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maifleur03

Does anyone not know that at speaking engagements Trump wears a wire in his ear so if there is a problem he can be informed immediately without someone rushing up to him. He knew. He ignored. Nancy Pelosi as asked for the staffs at the capital to be lowered in his place.

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cait1

Kind of interesting how the people not liked are 'dead' while those they approve of 'pass away'.

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foodonastump

Ann, CNN reported what Fox is reporting. Amazing life. Apparently just a few minutes earlier than Fox, because I heard it before your post showed. Really doesn’t matter, your comment was only destined to be relevant for a few moments anyway.

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Iris GW

I said this then:

Iris GW

It would be different if the election was like 2 months away. But Obama will be President for 11 more months.

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foodonastump

Kind of interesting how the people not liked are 'dead' while those they approve of 'pass away'.


LOL some day Trump will be dead.

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cait1

He knew. He ignored.

What would you have liked him to do?

She should have stepped down years ago.

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cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)(zone 7, Northern VA)

With one or two exceptions, the posts on the link discussing Scalia's death focused on differences with Scalia's opinions, mine included. Most of us also expressed condolences to his family until the thread focused on what would come next. Not so different.


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cait1

LOL some day Trump will be dead.

So will we all.

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foodonastump

Um, I know.

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Ann

FOAS, I am a bit behind since I paused my TV a couple times for a couple reasons, but it seems everyone now knows when Trump learned of her death and we all agree. My being behind a bit might have contributed to the confusion on this thread. Trump seemed very genuinely surprised by the news. I'd guess, like all of us, he had no idea it was about to happen.

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foodonastump

Glad that’s cleared up!

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Ann

Regarding a successor, Ted Cruz just made a very interesting point. He thinks a successor needs to be confirmed before election day, despite anticipated and enormous Dem opposition. His reasoning is because Dems have made very clear that they intend to challenge and fight the legitimacy of the election (e.g., Clinton has said, under no circumstances should Biden concede) - and thus we cannot have election day come and go with an equally divided 4/4 court. We'd risk a constitutional crisis if we don't have a 9 justice supreme court, particularly when there is such a risk of litigation and a contested election.

Pretty solid points I hadn't considered until I heard that reasoning.

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Lars(Z11a (coastal L.A.) and Z9a (desert))

I am appalled that Mitch could not wait to issue a statement that the senate is chomping at the bits to vote on Trump's next nominee. I thought he said that the senate would not vote in an election year. Such a vicious and mean double standard, not to mention the disrespect shown to RBG. Her dying wish was that her replacement would not be named until the next president was inaugurated, but obviously MM has zero to minus respect for that.

A sad situation made even more grievous than it has to be.

There is absolutely no reason why republicans should get to have more of an advantage in deciding the election in the courts, and their push to make this happen will certainly hurt them in the polls. IMO they are shooting themselves in the foot.

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foodonastump

Dems have made very clear that they intend to challenge and fight the legitimacy of the election (e.g., Clinton has said, under no circumstances should Biden concede)


OMG listen to yourself. TRUMP is the one spouting off about how the only way he’ll lose is if it’s rigged! TRUMP. The president. Not some has-been candidate!

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maifleur03

Ann why did you think the comments by Justice Ginsberg was made? Did you think her request was flaky? Better a Constitutional crisis than a packed court no matter which way a court is packed.

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Ann

"OMG listen to yourself."

Well no, I was listening to Ted Cruz and summarizing his comment.

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kadefol

This is truly sad. I was hoping she would get to see the election. RIP, RBG, you will be missed.

As for that cockroach mitch mcconnell, he is disgusting and I hope he gets exactly what he deserves, in spades.

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Bunny

I say died/dead for those I love and those I don’t. Death is not the end.

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cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)(zone 7, Northern VA)

With one or two exceptions, the posts on the link discussing Scalia's death focused on differences with Scalia's opinions, mine included.

Actually, there were several really nasty comments, but most of those people are gone. Well, some are "re-named".

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Ann

"Ann why did you think the comments by Justice Ginsberg was made?"

If it's true she said that to her granddaughter, I'd think it was because she strongly felt that way. Of course she wouldn't want President Trump to nominate her replacement. Why on earth would she want a Republican president to nominate her replacement. She'd very, very, very much want a Dem to do so.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Ann, a) nowhere in the Constitution does it say the SC gets to choose the president even though they did so in bush v gore

b) the court is now 4 conservative to 3 liberal justices so a tie is not a given

c) why would the arguments be any different now that we are less than 50 days away from the election when in 2016 mcconnell had no issue with holding the SC at 8 for 400 days.

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Ann

So much talk about the RBG and Scalia friendship tonight. That really was awesome how those two could put their ideologies aside and be the best of friends. So many of us could learn from that example.

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Annie Deighnaugh

cait, did you read your own quote?

Senate rules to
prevent the minority from filibustering any nominations other than those
to the Supreme Court
.

[bolding mine]

Moreover it was all on mcconnell that somehow it was ok to never hold hearings for a justice for 10 months...that was new...that was all on him...and now he's proving what a TAC he is by doing a complete reversal now that it will be a trump nominee.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Pretty hard not to notice the whining and complaining, petty grudges and grievances from the usual suspects.

And as always, the excuse for unpleasantness is somebody else did it before.

If you're doing the very thing you decry, what's that say about you?

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justerrilynn(10)


I agree Ann but suspect that you do have friends with different ideologies, as do I. I think it perfectly normal. I will have to remind myself of this over the next few weeks when the negativity gets thicker and emotions get even more vicious.

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cait1

cait, did you read your own quote?

Yeah, I read that. But ya know how things roll bigger and bigger. The 'give a finger and they'll take your hand' thing. It's called 'consequences'. Mitch warned Reid and Reid gave Mitch a finger. Consequences. Blame Reid and the greedy dems.

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leona_2008

A crowd of people are outside the Supreme Court. So touching and I have not seen a soul without a mask.

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Annie Deighnaugh

No, put the blame where the blame belongs...with mcconnell.

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foodonastump

Well no, I was listening to Ted Cruz and summarizing his comment.


Yeah. And presenting it as an “interesting point.”

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Ann

It was a very interesting (but a stronger word would have probably been more fitting) point!

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Ann

I feel like we're back to day one with the upcoming election. This is just such monumental news today.

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foodonastump

IMO the greatest tribute would be if some lazy Dems wake up and realize what’s at stake when they fail to get off the couch and vote.

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

LOL some day Trump will be dead.

Hopefully before I've passed away. ;)

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miss lindsey (She/Her)(8a)

“...and thus we cannot have election day come and go with an equally divided 4/4 court. We'd risk a constitutional crisis if we don't have a 9 justice supreme court, particularly when there is such a risk of litigation and a contested election”

Why?

Which justices do you expect will serve a political party over the Constitution, the Law, and the best interests of the United States?

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roxsol

Statement by Barack Obama


https://obama.medium.com/my-statement-on-the-passing-of-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-5a925b627457


Sixty years ago, Ruth Bader Ginsburg applied to be a Supreme Court clerk. She’d studied at two of our finest law schools and had ringing recommendations. But because she was a woman, she was rejected. Ten years later, she sent her first brief to the Supreme Court — which led it to strike down a state law based on gender discrimination for the first time. And then, for nearly three decades, as the second woman ever to sit on the highest court in the land, she was a warrior for gender equality — someone who believed that equal justice under law only had meaning if it applied to every single American.

Over a long career on both sides of the bench — as a relentless litigator and an incisive jurist — Justice Ginsburg helped us see that discrimination on the basis of sex isn’t about an abstract ideal of equality; that it doesn’t only harm women; that it has real consequences for all of us. It’s about who we are — and who we can be.

Justice Ginsburg inspired the generations who followed her, from the tiniest trick-or-treaters to law students burning the midnight oil to the most powerful leaders in the land. Michelle and I admired her greatly, we’re profoundly thankful for the legacy she left this country, and we offer our gratitude and our condolences to her children and grandchildren tonight.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg fought to the end, through her cancer, with unwavering faith in our democracy and its ideals. That’s how we remember her. But she also left instructions for how she wanted her legacy to be honored.

Four and a half years ago, when Republicans refused to hold a hearing or an up-or-down vote on Merrick Garland, they invented the principle that the Senate shouldn’t fill an open seat on the Supreme Court before a new president was sworn in.

A basic principle of the law — and of everyday fairness — is that we apply rules with consistency, and not based on what’s convenient or advantageous in the moment.The rule of law, the legitimacy of our courts, the fundamental workings of our democracy all depend on that basic principle. As votes are already being cast in this election, Republican Senators are now called to apply that standard. The questions before the Court now and in the coming years — with decisions that will determine whether or not our economy is fair, our society is just, women are treated equally, our planet survives, and our democracy endures — are too consequential to future generations for courts to be filled through anything less than an unimpeachable process.

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Rina

RIP Judge Ginsburg.

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Tito Milian

An empty Supreme Court seat was perhaps the biggest driving factor for Trump’s win in 2016. I wouldn’t be rejoicing over not getting a confirmation before November.

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arcy_gw

The Supreme court is to interpret and defend the Constitution. Refusing to give up her seat even though she was too ill to perform her duties for over a year screams I want what I WANT not what the constitution allows. I fear for her judgement day. Facing to souls of all those aborted babies will be major ugly.

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Annie Deighnaugh

arcy, what a mean and ridiculous thing to charge. She was by far one of the hardest working justices ever. Let's be clear about RBG's performance despite her multiple battles with cancer. She never missed arguments in court in 26 years even through broken ribs and cancer treatments. When she did miss oral arguments in January 2019 after lung cancer surgery, she still kept up and participated by reading transcripts. She then missed one day in November 2019 due to a stomach flu. Even through the pandemic she was participating in the oral argument teleconferences. Her appointment was for life and she did her job to the best of her ability right to the very end.

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heri_cles

This will not be an "unimpeachable" process as Pres. Obama would have it, rather, it will be a process directed by the Impeached .

Trump and McConnell have bags of time before a remotely potential Biden Inauguration in January of 2021 to get this thing done. It's only September. Trump already has an approved list, and he has a few younger women on it ! In yo' face fellow Democrats ! Trump has his boot on our throats like we are George Floyd, and he isn't going to take it off. He knows how to win a fight.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

I suppose this talking point about RBG not stepping earlier is being fed through the r-wing media pipeline.

You can always tell because the claque will post basically identically.

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shead

I suppose this talking point about RBG not stepping earlier is being fed through the r-wing media pipeline.


No, I think what people are trying to say is that if RBG wanted to preserve her SCOTUS seat for another liberal, as it's being reported that she said to her granddaughter recently, that the time to have done that was when Obama was president and when her health was already in decline. I don't think those observations are a condemnation of her personally. They are just reality. At that point, she could have had some say in her successor. Instead, she held on until her last breath with no comfort in those final moments that her wishes would be fulfilled.



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Ziemia(6a)

It would have had to have been when we had a Dem majority Senate. McConnell stopped judge nominations before Garland.

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Ann

"I suppose this talking point about RBG not stepping earlier is being fed through the r-wing media pipeline."

It's not being fed by anyone. It's a well known and very important decision she personally made and she was certainly criticized for, at the time, by some Dems. IMO, her decision was very justified in that it was hers and hers alone. I also understand why her decision greatly frustrated some Dems and resulted in some criticism. Now, there may or may not be important ramifications to that big, but very personal, life decision.

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Ann

Ziemia, yes, it would have had to be then and was certainly a topic then.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-ginsburg/u-s-justice-ginsburg-hits-back-at-liberals-who-want-her-to-retire-idUSKBN0G12V020140801

This more recent article caught my attention and I found myself reading it as it covered years of opinions (her opinions and the opinions of others) on the topic of her retirement.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/what-cult-ruth-bader-ginsburg-rbg-got-wrong-obama-trump/


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kadefol

The issue is, if, according to McConnell, a dem president is not allowed to pick a justice during an election year, the same applies to a repub president. We are not a dictatorship and McConnell should not get away with enforcing different rules for different presidents. Which is why several GOP senators have committed to not voting.

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HU-400972298

No, Obama had a Republican Senate. So does Trump.

The Democrats talk out both sides of their mouths all day long. There is no moral win here for Republicans. Taking the high road with democrats is political suicide and feckless.

Republicans must fight with everything in the Constitution to win.

Your anger, your tears and your desires should mean nothing to Republicans for whom you will NEVER cast your vote anyway.

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deegw

I was just remembering that everyone I know who has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer died within two years. The five-year survival rate is the single digits. The fact that she survived for eleven years is remarkable.

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tapla(mid-Michigan z-5b-6a)

There is no question among dems or Republicans what the left would do and defend were the shoe on the other foot. Why then, should there be a question re what the Republicans will do? I only hope they can pull the outsiders back into the fold and get it done.


There would be little fervor over the death of Ginsberg if the left hadn't turned the court into another chance at getting an agenda implemented that couldn't be implemented legislatively because it couldn't pass the sniff test. by appointing activist judges who allowed their own ideologies to guide their interpretation of the law, as was Ginsberg. Her cult-like following wasn't earned by being fair, honest, and impartial, oh no, it was earned by openly supporting the left's agenda. Ginsberg even openly supported Our Constitution's subservience to international law.


The left is so tortured by hate they will view this as another opportunity to loot, pillage, murder, burn, and visit their most favored methods of mayhem at every opportunity. Mainstream America is watching. Blacks/Latinos are leaving the democrat party in droves, along with a wave of white voters fed up with democrat's antics. Strong work Komrades. Now, back to your 'pressure from above and below' tactics in order that DT's reelection is assured.


Al

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Joaniepoanie

Hoot/lol!

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kadefol

trump is a wanna-be dictator and an egregious criminal who doesn't even try to hide his malfeasance. The same goes for mcconnell and most of the rest of this hideous, shameful administration. The very survival of our democracy is at stake here. I hope everyone who sees this criminal and his enablers for what they are will vote accordingly.

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HU-400972298

Brilliantly said, Al. If our Congress actually did its job of legislating, instead of counting on unlected judges and justices to form law by fiats, this would not be the enormous ripple in the body politic which it's become.

But knowing the Democrats because they've shown us who they are over and over again, we are where we are and must rally to fight with all we've got.

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Ann

I'll be as realistic as possible.

The Republicans could choose to not go forth with a replacement, which I (and I think many Republicans) would be extremely upset about. Clearly, McConnell and Trump are not choosing that decision. I think it would be a stupid decision to not proceed.

Dems do and will hate this. Of course they do. So would I if I were a Dem.

We'll see what the GOP senators (and potentially, Doug Jones) decide. The outcome is in their hands.

As far as voters, no doubt this will motivate both sides in an unbelievable way.

Besides watching what GOP senators do, how negatively Dems respond (or not) will be another piece to this puzzle. How much negativity (and opposition) will they think wise (with the Kavanaugh hearings in recent history)?

Lastly, what will happen with our ongoing violence in this country. If this increases it, I think it will harm the Dems politically. I don't think Americans will agree to be held hostage to violence and threats of violence to "force" elections or political decisions.

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Nana H

I don't think there is much chance of them not going forward , the big question will be a vote before or after the election. Although the odds of getting the justice confirmed in the lame duck session is lower I think dangling the appointment in front of Republicans will bring more of them to the polls for Trump. Mind you it will bring out the Dems too.

On the other hand getting a judge confirmed before the election will set the court up better for Trump's inevitable challenge of the election should he lose.

Not sure if before or after the election is better for the four maybe five vulnerable GOP Senators.

ETA I think Democratic supporters would love a big fight. Kavanaugh' s hearings sure as heck didn't hurt them in 2018 even though there were predictions right here that it would.

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HU-400972298

Ann, I see this motivating conservatives on the issue of abortion. I see this motivating conservatives who are sick of being terrorized by BLM and Antifa, who have gone unchecked by the Democrats they represent. If their war on America escalates even further, I see this driving people to the polls to vote for Trump.

I also believe Democrats lost lifelong voters when they showed just how depraved they are during the Kavanaugh "job interview". It's going to rehash that debacle and bring it to the fore. Instead of a man, it'll most likely be a woman the Democrats will seek to destroy.

And another Catholic, possibly. Freedom of religion and association will feature prominently once again. The 4th amendment will be highlighted as will the Democrats who have infringed on our religious liberties for these past 6 months or more.

Look at how Biden's VP pick attacked political appointees over their faith! That lady would be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

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kadefol

Look at how Biden's VP pick attacked political appointees over their faith!

What? When? Where?

That lady would be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

If trump gets elected we are zero heartbeats away from fascism and a dictatorship.

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studio10001

I am encouraged that you guys think anybody is still waffling on their vote to such a degree.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

FWIW, our Senate in Washington D.C. has been doing nothing but pushing through 'activist' far right judicial nominees for almost all of this president's term - or had some here not noticed? GOP has been packing the courts with Koch-approved jurists all along.

Some people have certainly seemed to have swallowed the false narrative of 'conservatism is under threat' hook line and sinker. Either that or they are trying to promote it, knowing full well it's a lie.

OTOH, conservatism is indeed under threat whenever its machinations and hypocrisy are exposed.

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Joaniepoanie

Hu—-298

Dems are sick of being terrorized by white nationalists with guns. We’re sick of the Republican corrupt cabal in the WH, Cabinet snd Senate. We’re sick of seeing people die from a pandemic because nothing was done to control it. We’re sick that as a result the economy is shattered and millions are out of work. This will drive people to the polls as well as the very real threat now of being plunged backwards 100 years by a majority of far right judges.

Paraphrasing Jonathan Capehart this morning: The Courts used to be about principles but Republicans have made them about power.


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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Lol, if only Biden were Pres then nobody would have died.

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HU-400972298

Corn Pop would still be alive.

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Joaniepoanie

That’s not what I said Jonnygunn and you know it.


HU—-Trump is still alive because hypocrite “mr no mask” won’t allow anyone around HIM without being tested and wants to slow down testing for everyone except himself and those around him.

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elvis

carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

I suppose this talking point about RBG not stepping earlier is being fed through the r-wing media pipeline.

You can always tell because the claque will post basically identically.

"Claque", Is that some sort of contagious dental affliction?

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Is your Google broken, elvis? It's the perfect word.

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deegw

I was just remembering that everyone I know who has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer died within two years. The five-year survival rate is the single digits. The fact that she survived for eleven years is remarkable.

Her overall excellent health was surely a factor in her favor, and of course the fluke of early detection.

Ginsburg was diagnosed with early stage pancreatic cancer in 2009. She had no symptoms of the disease – it was discovered during a regular checkup. She had surgery to remove the body and tail of her pancreas, along with her spleen. This summer, a tumor was detected on her pancreas, and a biopsy was performed.

Ginsburg has had four bouts with cancer, including colon cancer in 1999 and, in late 2018, cancerous nodules were removed from her left lung.

Radiation therapy is one of several treatment options for pancreatic cancer. The goal is to stop the tumor from growing or to shrink it, while not harming the healthy organ or tissue nearby. Radiation therapy is used to treat small, localized tumors within the pancreas.

https://www.pancan.org/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-treated-for-pancreatic-cancer/#:~:text=Ruth%20Bader%20Ginsburg%20was%20diagnosed%20with%20early%20stage,her%20liver.%20We%20continue%20to%20wish%20her%20well.

If the pancreatic cancer was detected early and was localized, which apparently was RBG's case, survival rate after 5 years is 37%.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/pancreatic-cancer/detection-diagnosis-staging/survival-rates.html

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