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Bedrosians Cloe tile spacing/grout

jenmflaherty
3 years ago

Hi!

I’m installing Bedrosians Cloe tile as my kitchen backsplash. I want to achieve the seamless/no grout look below, but I’ve been advised not to stack them directly on top of each other due to expansion and contraction of the wall as due to temperature changes. Will I still be able to achieve this look (pic below for reference) if I use very small spacers and white grout? If no, how far off will it be? Are there any folks out there who used spacers and white grout? How did it turn out?

Also, grout recommendations would be appreciated! Thank you!

Comments (90)

  • stephm928
    2 years ago

    @Molly H - thank you so much for your input :)


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  • mcfadink
    2 years ago

    @Molly H. Thank you for following up. Our tile will be installed in April. Fingers crossed that it goes smoothly! i appreciate you sharing your first hand knowledge!

  • Molly H.
    2 years ago

    @mcfadink you bet. :) i should have specified that in kitchen, laundry and 5 bathrooms I used Custom Brand grout, either Prisim (what you noted) or Polyblend Plus Non-Sanded depending on tile, grout thickness and application. Prisim has a little bit of sand in it, so not good for especially delicate tile or natural stone that would scratch. It would be fine on Cloe and has a built in sealer. But both are good. Even so, regardless of grout type, I always use a good sealer on grout, especially in a bathroom or floor - I like Aqua Mix Sealer's Choice Gold.

  • stephm928
    2 years ago

    @ Molly H ... do you have any regrets about using white grout in the kitchen? How has it been to clean/avoid staining?

  • Molly H.
    2 years ago

    @stephm928 Use a good sealer and reseal every year. No regrets, but I wanted an all white kitchen (except my island is blue) so I didn't consider any other grout color. It would have been same maintenance with Ash or Rolling Fog or any lighter shade of grout. Stains will show if you don't clean them, period. But I also wear white clothing often and have never found them harder to care for. I like white. :) I don't love contrast in a kitchen and find it distracting - I want to notice the hardware and faucet and light fixtures, not grout. In my design, the backsplash isn't the star, I wanted a little shine and interest but a clean, light overall look, which Cloe achieves. Clean up splatters immediately with a quick spray and wipe. It takes a little maintenance, but not that big of a deal. I use my front burners more often than the back and rarely have a mess that reaches the backsplash. Also, good portion of my backsplash area is not near the range so only a small area that subject to potential staining. What works for me, may not for you, however.

  • Trina Taylor
    last year

    We recently installed Bedrosians Cloe white 5x5 tiles in our shower, Mapei white grout at 1/16. (Still need to mount the hand-held shower. ;)




  • C T
    last year

    @Trina Taylor Did you use a schluter edge and if so what color? Is your grout staying white?

  • Trina Taylor
    last year
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    @CT We used white metal schluter edge, found at Lowe's. Grout is staying white!

  • C T
    last year

    @Trina Taylor Do you know if the schluter was a bright white or just white (more creamy) or matte white?

  • Alex H
    last year
    last modified: last year

    We used white grout and white Schluter with 1/16 spacers.

  • Alex H
    last year

    We used white grout and white Schluters with 1/16 spacers. Sharing in case helpful to anyone! I had a lot of worry about the variation in the tiles, spacing, etc. and spent a lot of time stressing. In the end, it all came together beautifully. You can see the variation more in the evenings when there is less light. The sheen/texture is stunning and helps pull all of the tones together.

  • Elizabeth King
    last year

    All the white's we found had a creamy/yellow undertone which I hated. The only clean white we found was Artic White at Home Depot and we used a white metal schlueter. No spacers.

  • Molly H.
    last year

    schluter comes in matte and shinny.


    custom brand arctic white grout is grey-blue-white. it is my go-to grout when i don't want any yellow undertone, but I would not call it true white. It depends what tile it is up against, but it leans very cool. not neutral. there are a lot of warm tones in cloe, if you have warm colors or metals in the space, may not be the best choice for everyone.


    i used "ash" grout in my laundry room with cloe and it is another good chioce if you don't want white contrast or warm white. it was the best match to have it disappear with my lighting and space.


    for backsplash trim, I used the matching bedrosians cloe pencil liner, personally i didn't like the schlueter against the tile. I would like it in a shower or more modern application, however.


    if you have a Dal Tile showroom near you, they sell all the colors of custom grout (much more than you find at HD) with the matching tile caulk, as well as various finish options of metal trim.

  • C T
    last year
    last modified: last year

    I ordered the white schluter and was surprised that it was more creamy. The bright white was out of stock so I got the Matte bright white. The matte tones down the bright white just a bit. So many people talk about using the white schluter but I wasn't sure which of the whites they meant.


    I'm also debating between Mapei white vs Mapei avalanche grout.

  • realtorjess1081
    last year

    We did Mapei grout in Avalanche, Schluter metal white trim & no spacers. Love the way it came out.





  • realtorjess1081
    last year

    We did Mapei grout in Avalanche, Schluter metal white trim & no spacers. Love the way it came out.





  • C T
    last year

    @realtorjess1081 Your kitchen is beautiful!

    So you used the white not the bright white schluter then? Does it appear warmer? The white one I ordered was creamy, more off white.

  • realtorjess1081
    last year
    last modified: last year

    Thank you! I am 99% sure we used the white and not the bright white. If memory serves me, when they went to buy it, the bright white was not available but the white was. I am happy with it.

  • Steph Creen
    last year

    @realtorjess1081 Can I ask you what color your walls are? I have a similar color pattern in my kitchen and like that your walls aren't white either. Thanks!

  • realtorjess1081
    last year

    @Steph Creen It's Sherwin Williams - Agreeable Gray.

  • beachbabee
    last year

    hi realtorjess1081! i love your kitchen! can you tell me the color of your white cabinets?

  • Molly H.
    last year

    @Steph Creen If you use Benjamin Moore, try Horizon or Grey Owl at 25% lighter. My walls are very similar.

  • Steph Creen
    last year

    Thanks @Molly H. We painted our walls Edgecomb Gray, but now I'm wondering if I should go with white grout or warm grey. I don't want it to look too sterile since our cabinets are a warmer white and our walls are a greige.

  • Molly H.
    last year

    Check out custom brand ground in Ash or rolling fog. Bright white is warmer white. I have bright white in kitchen with Simply White cabinets. And ash in the laundry room, almost no contrast with cloe tile.

  • Molly H.
    last year

    @Steph Creen see above. If you choose a warm grey grout, you will have contrast and notice the grout lines. I personally wouldnt like that, want to notice the tile and other elements of kitchen, not grout.

  • Molly H.
    last year


    This is Ash grout.



    And this is Bright White

  • Molly H.
    last year


    Walls in this photo are Grey Owl 25% less, white grout.

  • Steph Creen
    last year

    @Molly H. This is what my kitchen currently looks like. We used bright white grout and bright white schluter. The tiles need to be redone due to poor installation so now's my chance to change.



  • realtorjess1081
    last year

    @beachbabee They are not custom, they are by Fabuwood and the cabinet is from the Galaxy line, and the color is Frost. Sorry I can't give you the paint color!

  • Lisa Perez
    last year

    my husband just installed this backsplach , i love it! we are grouting this wekend but trying to figure out if we need to seal the tile first? also i dont want the grout to standout so im torn between white or a light grey- any suggestions?



  • Molly H.
    last year

    @Lisa Perez You only need to seal the grout, not the tile. Cloe is glazed tile and sealer should not be applied. You are sealing to protect the grout from stains and discoloring and make it easier to clean. It should be done every 6-12 months, depending on how heavy use and washing.


    If you don't want to see the grout, Custom Brand bright white is a better choice than grey. Make sure you use the matching tile caulk and not grout where the countertop meets the tile, otherwise it will crack.


    Given your white cabinets, white grout will give you the clean white kitchen look if that is what you are after. Not sure what your benchtops will be, however, with farm sink and black hardware, the modern farmhouse look can certainly call for contrating grout. But in my opinion, is not as classic and may date faster than all white.


    If you are worried about keeping it clean, the very lightest greys also are close match to the tile, I used Ash in our laundry room. It almost disappears, but I did not use the whitest tiles and omited them. (I posted photos of both above, but photos are never true to life). But almost all the greys available will give you contrast and you will definitely notice the grout more, and the tile will not be the star. It is a different look and doesn't seem to be what you are after. It also depends on how much natural light and what kind of artifical light you have if you can pull off a grey and not have it pull too much focus.


    If you have tile left, I suggest you make a sample board and try a few different grout options. and hold it up so you can see what it will look like. There is no turning back once you start. If you don't have time or resources for that extra step, go with white (Custom Brand Bright White) and seal it well and often, especially behind cooking zones.


    Good luck.

  • Jennifer Cox
    11 months ago

    Hi, I didnt see anyone mention sanded vs. non sanded grout for cloe tile? I am doing my showers with cloe 2x8 tiles and curious on which grout is best to use? My contractor wants non sanded, but the Bedrosians customer support said sanded would be fine. is there a better answer? thanks!

  • Molly H.
    11 months ago
    last modified: 11 months ago

    @Jennifer Cox it depends on the grout join size, 1/8" or more, you typically use sanded. floor applications are usually sanded. if less than 1/8, you use unsanded. I used unsanded for all my shower walls with 1/16-1/8" grout lines. many of the better quality grouts, like Custom, have micro sand in them to prevent cracking, so no reason to use a true sanded grout on a wall application.

  • Jennifer Cox
    11 months ago

    Thank you for the info!

  • Molly H.
    11 months ago

    @Jennifer Cox my pleasure. if available, I'd use "Prism" which has a little sand. scroll up and I described in more detail. i only used true unsanded with marble tile that is soft and delicate and would scratch.

  • Jennifer Cox
    11 months ago

    @Molly H. Ok, I will look for that. Thank you! I was interested in the color ”light pewter” by Lacticrete. Any chance you’d be able to list similar colors to that in the Prism brand?

  • Molly H.
    11 months ago

    @Jennifer Cox Laticrete makes good grout. It is popular and widely available in the pacific NW and other regions, but not as much in CA where I am located. I am not familiar with that color, but with a quick web search, I'd say Rolling Fog is most similar. It is a very light, warm grey.

  • Travis Morehouse
    11 months ago
    last modified: 11 months ago

    @Molly H. Hi Molly, im trying to follow along with your advise. I am going to ne putting Cloe in my kitchen, and i want it to be a good warm white with a non yellowing color, the Custom Brand bright white is a good option? Where do I find this line? Or could you provide a link? Thanks!

  • Molly H.
    11 months ago

    hi @Travis Morehouse I would call it more of a neutral white that works with the warm and cool tones in the tile. It isn't a "warm" white per se. But not cool either. It disappears, for the most part, especially if you have undercabinet lighting and provides little to no contrast.


    Custom Brand is available at Home Depot (special order for some colors, but not the basics, like bright white which is on the shelf) and also at Dal Tile. It depends on where you are in the country, there are regional brands that are widely available. They sell matching tile caulk too.


    Good luck.

  • Molly H.
    11 months ago

    @Travis Morehouse Search Custom Building Products. They make one branded Prism and another Polyblend Plus. The brand is known as Custom, (not "Custom Brand"). :)

  • gmazz7
    9 months ago

    Thanks Molly - appreciate all the time you took sharing comments!

  • Jessica J
    9 months ago

    Hi everyone! We are installing white cloe tile in our kitchen but don’t want the kitchen to feel too “sterile”. I’ve been reading through the comments on many cloe posts and am leaning towards laticrete bright white grout.

    Despite the name, it seems like a warmer white? Anyone who has used this color grout, do you agree? Would this be a good option for us?

    If anyone has an other recommendations, I’m open to hearing them.

    Here is one side of the kitchen (we will be replacing the microwave and cabinet above stove with hood and backsplash to the top)
    Counters: viatera Calacatta sol
    Cabinets: SW pure white
    Floors: global gem heartland Champaign

  • Mary Laulis
    8 months ago

    @realtorjess1018 & Molly H

    What counter top did you use? Looking for something to match chloe white in a dark no natural light kitchen. Any suggestions are appreciated.

  • Molly H.
    8 months ago

    @Mary Laulis - Hanstone Montauk.

  • Mary Laulis
    8 months ago

    Beautiful!!

  • realtorjess1081
    8 months ago

    @mary laulis same - Hanstone Montauk

  • Mary Laulis
    8 months ago

    Thanks!!

  • Jen McIndoe
    5 months ago

    @elizabethking do you have a pic of the artic white? i am debating artic vs bright white and have to make my decision today 😬 Would love your input

  • Trina Taylor
    2 months ago

    Reporting back on the use of Mapei white grout with our Cloe tile. It looks beautiful on our vanity wall, fresh and bright white, but it has yellowed slightly in the shower. I would not recommend using this grout in an area exposed to moisture consistently. It's a bummer.