Welcome to trump's America

Annie Deighnaugh

TRMS did a review of headlines from yesterday, I'll summarize some of them:

  • NYC covid death toll exceeds 9/11 by orders of magnitude with 23,000 people lost
  • trump withheld millions from NY 9/11 FDNY health program
  • 500k in OR may have to evacuate or 10% of the population. 15 have died in the fires there
  • Wildfire north of Scaremento is the largest in CA history and may not be done growing
  • NOAA: Nearly 40% of the US is in drought
  • CDC predicts thousands more covid deaths in the next 3 weeks
  • Fauci says the US needs to hunker down for fall and winter
  • Poll finds public trust in CDC, Fauci and other health experts eroding

Also this week, after on Tuesday Peter Strzok told us that they knew in 2016 that russia had more to throw at the election, but russia held back its biggest weapons, on Thursday it comes out that the russian hacking this time is more sophisticated and harder to track.


Then we get the whistleblower telling us that the wh ordered them to stand down when it came to sharing information about the russian attacks on our election: don't respond, don't alert, don't react to the attack on our country...don't tell the people in charge of elections at the state level that they are under attack.


Then we get news that the treasury sanction Derkach as a russian agent for running an influence campaign against Biden. That's the same derkach that has been meeting with giuliani -- a 2016 redux of manafort meeting with kilimnik, another russian agent: The U.S. Treasury Department on Thursday placed sanctions on a member of Ukraine’s parliament for running an “influence campaign” against former vice president Joe Biden, dubbing the lawmaker “an active Russian agent for over a decade” who has maintained “close connections with Russian intelligence services.” Source: WaPo


Then we get durham's aide resigning over concerns about the politicization of the durham investigation.


All I can say is, if you are tired of the chaos and want our peaceful and strong nation back again, then dump trump.


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Izzy Mn(4)
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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

“This American carnage stops right here and right now.”

More true today than it was 4 years ago and could all too Easily be part of Biden's speech on Inauguration Day.

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Annie Deighnaugh

And you have to go looking for this as it's pushed so far off the headlines:

LAKE CHARLES, Louisiana (KTRK) -- Two weeks after Hurricane Laura ravaged southwest Louisiana, there is still no end in sight on the road to recovery.

Entergy, the energy company that provides power to parts of Louisiana and Texas, reports more than 85,000 customers are still without power in the state.

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Annie Deighnaugh


I guess the plague wasn't enough so now we have hurricanes, wildfires, riots, and economic depression to boot.

Can we hear Him now???

Dump trump, vote biden.


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Izzy Mn(4)

Yeah, I don't put faith (pun intended) in those who want the world to end and are supporting evil man who seems like that's what he is intending to do.

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paprikash

COVID not Trump’s fault. With his leadership, everything will soon be back to pre-COVID times. Hate his personality if you will, but in reality the man has been a great President. Bidense will only screw everything up

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AITG

Could have warned us in time to save thousands of lives, but no.

Our lives just aren't that important to him.

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paprikash

Baloney

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AITG

Don't bait.

You know it's true.

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sjerin

Pap, you didn't finish the sentence: "...but in reality the man has been a great President," for his friends, the uber-wealthy and Putin. For the rest, he has not only done nothing, but made our lives miserable and possibly taken away our future.

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Joaniepoanie

Really Pap? Who has rallies in the middle of a pandemic when he knew it was spread through breathing? Who continues to have rallies when it comes out six months later he knew it all along?

You can make fun of Biden for not having rallies, wearing a mask and socially distancing, but THAT is what TRUE LEADERSHIP looks like.

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Izzy Mn(4)

Didn't trump say his would be the most transparent administration ever!

First lie.

If he would have been transparent with the Americans and put more faith on their ability to handle the cold hard truth of the virus we would have been in better shape. Instead he lied and downplayed and put us all at risk and allowed the virus to spread.

Tracking of trumps' transparency record.

Hint, he failed.

https://sunlightfoundation.com/tracking-trumps-attacks-on-transparency/

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socks(10a)

Ronin....even tho' the West Coast fires are not directly trumpy's fault, I do fault him for failure to institute global warming measures. Four years of potential progress blown away. (I didn't read your link.)

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Iris GW

paprikash, Covid itself was not Trump's fault. America's poor response to it was his fault.

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paprikash

I don’t think our response to this NEW virus was poor.

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DawnInCal

Every time this "it's California's fault because of the fuel in the forests and they don't do a good job of managing their forests" thing comes up, I feel the need to set things straight.

The majority of forest land (between 45% to 57% depending on the source) in California is owned by the federal government. Many of these fires are burning in National parks and forests - National means they are under the management of the federal government.

The feds own 57% of California land, the state of California owns just 4% of the land in California and the rest is privately owned.

Trump and co. can blame the states all they want, but federal land falls under the jurisdiction of the current administration. Trump needs to get his federal employees out there cleaning up the fuel instead of blaming the states for these fires.


California Forests

California is managing its forests




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Nana H

Paprikash, you are amongst a minority of Americans and that is Trump's problem. He won by a very slim number and has done nothing to preserve or grow that number. A majority of Americans are very unhappy with many things but Covid seems to be the topper.

Most see him for exactly what he is.

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Joaniepoanie


Absolutely astonishing that Trump’s admittance in his own words that he knew it was highly contagious and deadly 7 months ago but lied to the country was not the last straw for trumpers. And then they wonder why people call them stupid.

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vedabeeps

“I don’t think our response to this NEW virus was poor.“

While this particular Coronavirus is new the threat of a pandemic is not. Trump CHOSE not to use the “Pandemic Playbook” left by his predecessors or create a new one in case one was needed- he had been warned. He failed the American people in a big way, 200,000+ Deaths and no end in sight is a pretty major failure.

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adoptedbyhounds

'I don’t think our response to this NEW virus was poor.'

Agreed. But the MSM certainly would like folks to believe that. Even the great Bob Woodward sat on information he could have shared long before his book came out. If he had really believed the President was wrong to remain calm in the face of virus we are still learning how to fight, he could have said so. What would have had the President do? How would creating a panic have helped anyone?

There was conflicting advice given from the get-go, simply because the virus moved much faster than bloated bureaucracies. We lost valuable time as our government tried to create its own testing kit that ended up being contaminated.

Dr. Helen Chu in Seattle was told not to test for the virus in nasal swabs already collected for another study. When she did it anyway, we finally learned the virus was already in Seattle.

We had to learn how the virus spread, how contagious it was, to whom it was most deadly, the efficacy of masks, the risks of airplane travel, and the risks of allowing foreign travel to continue bringing people who might be infected into the US. The experts are still working on understanding Covid19. Blaming Donald Trump for what we don't know is a political cheap shot.

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AITG

"Even the great Bob Woodward sat on information he could have shared long before his book came out"

Bob didn't swear an oath to protect us.

" Blaming Donald Trump for what we don't know is a political cheap shot."

He knew.

He lied.

People died/are dying.

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vedabeeps

“ We had to learn how the virus spread, ”

In a Feb. 7 call with Woodward, Trump said of the virus: “You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

Just three days later, Trump struck a far rosier tone in an interview with Fox Business: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

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vedabeeps

The whole panic line is a pantload. Trump has attempted to create a panic multiple times- the caravan is coming to rape your women! Antifa! Low income people will invade the suburbs! Trump has no issues with “panic” if he thinks the cult will buy into it.

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jmm1837

"We had to learn how the virus spread, how contagious it was, to whom it was most deadly, the efficacy of masks, the risks of airplane travel, and the risks of allowing foreign travel to continue bringing people who might be infected into the US."


Actually, we didn't. We knew most of those things by February. Trump certainly did, because he told Woodword. Had he done what world leaders did elsewhere - share what the experts did know about the disease, and what they didn't, had he explained the reasons for closures, social distancing and quarantines, had he coordinated obtaining and distributing PPE, had he approved science based guidelines for reopening, had he worked with the governors instead of undercutting them, had he actually closed the borders - America might have got on top of the virus just as Germany did. Not every life would have been saved, but many would have been.


Most people outside the US, and many within it, see the American response for what it was and continues to be - uncoordinated, incoherent, uninformed, and totally politicised. A shambles,, in other words. And the buck stops with Trump.

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Gizmo

To put things into perspective in rightwing world...


The cement bubble
Published by digby on September 12, 2020

That’s what they are living in:





If you think reality is going to penetrate, I think this proves that it will not. They are impervious to it.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Many of these fires are burning in National parks and forests - National means they are under the management of the federal government.

The major fire burning in Los Angeles County is in the Angeles NATIONAL Forest.

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adoptedbyhounds

"Actually, we didn't. We knew most of those things by February."

"In a Feb. 7 call with Woodward, Trump said of the virus: “You
just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very
tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even
your strenuous flus.”

Yep. The president referenced "breathing in the air." However, there may be differences in the way the droplets from coughing, and aerosols from sneezing spread the virus. Sometimes things are more complicated than you think. As time passes, we learn more about the virus. And if you haven't noticed that recommendations have been changing as our understanding of the virus changes, you haven't been paying attention.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted

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vedabeeps

Yep. The president referenced "breathing in the air." However, there may be differences in the way the droplets from coughing, and aerosols from sneezing spread the virus. ”


So, instead of using critical thinking skills and erring on the side of caution, he chose to let people die by doing nothing at all other than lie and tell people it would pass, churches will be full on Easter, the heat will kill it, Etc.

By the way, what exactly is the plan now that we do know?

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Joaniepoanie

Eight Benghazi hearings. Zero Covid hearings.

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deegw

President Trump said, on tape, that he deliberately downplayed the severity of the virus.

I hope the Trump Pollyannas don't have sneaky teenagers because trust me, they are walking all over you.

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vedabeeps

2 more young teachers DEAD from Covid-19.


A third-grade teacher at Windsor Elementary School in Columbia, S.C., died on Monday, days after her COVID-19 diagnosis. Music lover Demetria Bannister, 28, was known as “Windsor’s Songbird,” principal Denise Quickel said in a press release sent to Yahoo Life. Bannister last visited campus on Aug. 28 and began teaching remotely on Aug. 31. On Friday, Richland School District Two, of which Windsor Elementary School is a part, learned of her test results and began contact tracing and disinfecting procedures.

Also, according to the Washington Post, a 34-year-old teacher in Missouri named AshLee DeMarinis died from COVID-19 complications on Sunday, after spending three weeks in the hospital. “She taught special education, and it was just her calling,” her sister Jennifer Heissenbuttel told the Post. “Her students loved her, and her colleagues loved her.”

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AITG

"And if you haven't noticed that recommendations have been changing as our understanding of the virus changes, you haven't been paying attention."

Are masks mandatory at the rallies?

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jmm1837

Oh, I've been paying attention. The US mortality rate is now higher than that in France and Italy, which were both hit very hard early on and with less warning. The US rate is two and a half times Germany's. And this in spite of the fact that the US is less congested and has a younger population.

Anyway, you havent actually addressed any of my points. Trump knew enough in February to do a much better job than he did. Instead of getting a response into high gear to protect all Americans, which is what actual leaders do when faced with a challenge, he played political games. It has cost tens of thousands of American lives.

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vedabeeps

"And if you haven't noticed that recommendations have been changing as our understanding of the virus changes, you haven't been paying attention."

Are masks mandatory at the rallies?


Heck no they aren’t- and a reporter was booted from a rally for pointing out that people weren’t wearing them!


"First for me: Trump campaign tracked me down from pics i tweeted and escorted me out," Gray said in a post on Twitter. Earlier she had posted photos of the crowd and said "Maybe 10% have masks."

Wearing a mask is required in Michigan in places where it is impossible to keep a social distance of six feet or greater in order to deter the spread of coronavirus. Some 5,000 people or more attended Trump's rally near Saginawand were in close quarters to hear the president speak.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/3464799001

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Iris GW

Are masks mandatory at the rallies?

So sorry for the Trump supporters who behave so recklessly. Herman Cain sends them regards from the great beyond.

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Nana H

Just so wrong......

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socks(10a)

How can so many people be so stupid??? Don't they have kids, family or friends with health conditions? Certainly many have health issues themselves. I don't get it. I could not be so reckless.

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jmm1837

The anti-science movement in the US has really taken over, I guess. From Trump on down. Oh, and the "it's all about me" movement, too. Also from Trump on down.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Self-limiting herd.

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ubro(2a)

Sometimes things are more complicated than you think. As time passes, we learn more about the virus. And if you haven't noticed that recommendations have been changing as our understanding of the virus changes, you haven't been paying attention.

For goodness sakes! Many countries are waaaayy ahead of you, we were talking like this back in April. When Trump was still downplaying this virus, we were in full on safety mode, masking, closing down, ramping up testing and gathering PPE etc.

We know the recommendations are changing as our understanding of the virus changes. The point is Trump did nothing while other leaders were getting plans in place, informing their citizens because they knew that people had a right to be kept in the loop.

Trump didn't want to create panic is such a load of horse hockey.

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jmm1837

^^^ Indeed.

The basics of handling an epidemic are well established and have been for years: quarantines, testing, contact tracing, social distancing and PPE, especially for health care workers. As we learned more about the disease (and the effectiveness of masks) guidelines became more detailed and specific but the basics were there all along.

Other countries had generic plans for a pandemic and modified them for Covid in February. South Korea, Japan, Singapore were early examples but Germany was the country that really got it right in those early days. Australia was implementing a plan in mid Feb. The US still doesn't have a plan. There is no excuse for the lack of leadership from the White House when a dozen or more countries have done so much better.

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Annie Deighnaugh

The US *had* a plan leftover from the obama administration, which the trump admin proceeded to toss.

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Annie:

"The US *had* a plan leftover from the obama administration, which the trump admin proceeded to toss."

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/



"Fact check: Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks?"


"Our rating: True

We rate this claim TRUE because it is supported by our research. There is no indication that the Obama administration took significant steps to replenish the supply of N95 masks in the Strategic National Stockpile after it was depleted from repeated crises. Calls for action came from experts at the time concerned for the country’s ability to respond to future serious pandemics. Such recommendations were, for whatever reason, not heeded."

Hay

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haydayhayday

Government employees, back in the Obama days and H1N1, were given priority in the early allocation of the H1N1 vaccine.

As were some of the sports teams in Canada.

Essential, I guess.

Hay

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adoptedbyhounds

"The US *had* a plan leftover from the obama administration, which the trump admin proceeded to toss."

Right. Biden and Obama left instructions on how to handle a pandemic, but instead of telling us what to do, Joe stayed in his basement.

Joe should insist on going on national TV so he can explain what advice Trump "tossed" and how he will put the Obama/Biden plan into action on his first day as POTUS.

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Iris GW

but instead of telling us what to do, Joe stayed in his basement.

LOL, it's Joe's fault, not Trump's. LOVE IT.

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bfox254

Joe should insist on going on national TV so he can explain what advice Trump "tossed" and how he will put the Obama/Biden plan into action on his first day as POTUS.

I'm quite sure that will be covered extensively during the debates. The Obama/Biden plan might need to be tweaked since Biden will inherit a pandemic out of control with over 200,000 already dead.

You can't seriously think it would be good for Trump if Biden went on national TV and explained all the initial steps Trump could have/should have taken.

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Nana H

Biden did call Trump to offer advice.....as if Trump would ever follow any advice from Biden when he won't even follow it from his own advisors.

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kadefol

More shameful rhetoric and incitement to violence at rump's Nevada rally last night. He is the most divisive "president" ever. Quoting from an analysis by a political reporter:

Because in Trump's America, no institution, including democracy, is
sacrosanct. He seems to think the rules don't apply to him if they stand
in the way of his political ambitions -- even the 22nd Amendment, which
bars the President from serving for more than two terms. And he seems
willing to use whatever means necessary to bend them even if he further
divides the nation in the process.

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adoptedbyhounds

but instead of telling us what to do, Joe stayed in his basement.

"LOL, it's Joe's fault, not Trump's. LOVE IT."

You are mistaken. We can all be grateful to Joe and the Obama administration for creating a 69 page document on how to handle a pandemic.

It's just sad that neither of them thought to remind our own CDC, FDA, etc, that the guidelines for managing pandemics already existed.


You can't seriously think it would be good for Trump if Biden went on
national TV and explained all the initial steps Trump could have/should
have taken.

Not worried about Trump.

I think it would be in our national interest for Joe Biden to go on national TV and explain why he stayed in his basement when he knew how to manage a pandemic years before anyone heard of COVID19. You can find the guidelines online.

"Playbook For Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats And Biological Incidents"

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf



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ubro(2a)

Right. Biden and Obama left instructions on how to handle a pandemic, but instead of telling us what to do, Joe stayed in his basement.

Joe should insist on going on national TV so he can explain what advice Trump "tossed" and how he will put the Obama/Biden plan into action on his first day as POTUS.

Why is it Biden's responsibility? Oh I get it, just like it is Woodwords' fault that Trump's words on tape revealed Trumps future lies to the American people.

The bottom line is that Trump is the leader not Biden nor Obama, nor Woodward, it is laughable that his supporters keep pointing fingers at everyone except the man who has the power.

He is responsible no matter what Obama or Biden did in the past. He had 3 years to make sure a good plan was in place and he had many months early in this pandemic to do something and he gambled on doing nothing and having the virus disappear. It is a gamble he made that cost lives and his supporters still blindly follow his lead.

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Nana H

"It's just sad that neither of them thought to remind our own CDC,
FDA, etc, that the guidelines for managing pandemics already existed."

That's an untrue statement. There a detailed working session on the handling of a potential pandemic during the Obama/Trump transition which included a review of the Pandemic handbook in January of 2017. The Trump administration ignored the playbook.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797


"think it would be in our national interest for Joe Biden to go on
national TV and explain why he stayed in his basement when he knew how
to manage a pandemic years before anyone heard of COVID19."

Another untrue statement. Biden called Trump in early April to offer advice on the pandemic.

"Biden used the call to share “several suggestions for actions the
administration can take now to address the ongoing coronavirus pandemic
and expressed his appreciation for the spirit of the American people in
meeting the challenges facing the nation.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-06/trump-biden-speak-by-phone-after-offer-to-discuss-virus

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cait1

@ Nana

He won by a very slim number and has done nothing to preserve
or grow that number
.

????

Trump won 306 v 232 Electoral College which is what counts.

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Nana H

I know that Cait...which is the basis of my concern that he can do it again.

However, each State IS based popular vote and he won by very slim margins in the three States that gave him the win. I believe Michigan, or maybe it was Wisconsin, was by about 10K votes...that is a very slim win. He can't afford to lose any votes in a State like Michigan yet he has lost votes or has failed to grow votes to match the Biden support.

In any case my statement is true he won by very slim margins and has done nothing to grow or protect his base.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Apparently abh share's trump's view of the world.


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Annie Deighnaugh

Hay, I didn't say they left N-95 masks, I said a playbook:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/12/fact-check-obama-left-trump-a-pandemic-response-playbook/

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell falsely accused the Obama administration of failing to leave the Trump administration “any kind of game plan” for something like the coronavirus pandemic.....

Facts First: Obama’s White House National Security Council left the Trump administration a detailed document on how to respond to a pandemic. The document, whose existence was publicly revealed by Politico in March, is called the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents.

“We literally left them a 69-page Pandemic Playbook…. that they ignored,” Ronald Klain, a campaign adviser to Democratic candidate Joe Biden and the former Obama administration Ebola response coordinator, wrote on Twitter.


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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Trump would not have received 306 Electoral College votes if he had not won--by very narrow margins--several swing state popular votes.

Kate

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jmm1837

In any case, whether or not Obama let the national stock deplete became irrelevant the day Trump took office. He had three years to get the stock, and the plan, up to date.

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Annie:

"Hay, I didn't say they left N-95 masks, I said a playbook:"

A playbook without a football to go with it?

Funny.

jmm:

"In any case, whether or not Obama let the national stock deplete became irrelevant the day Trump took office. He had three years to get the stock, and the plan, up to date."

Obama had about 7 years.

"whether or not"

Funny.

Hay

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adoptedbyhounds

Facts First: Obama’s White House National Security Council left the
Trump administration a detailed document on how to respond to a
pandemic.

Exactly! Their "Playbook For Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats And Biological Incidents" goes way back, to Jan. 2017.

Obama, his NSC, and Joe Biden have known about that "detailed document on how to respond to a pandemic" for years! It's shocking to learn that they knew how to respond, but didn't tell us!


At the very least they could have arranged for Adam Schiff to leak the document.

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haydayhayday

I spent...wasted... a few minutes looking at this so-called playbook.

What a waste.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

Hay

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haydayhayday

A sampling:






Why: "Not for Public Distribution" on top of every single page?

I'd be embarrassed to put it out, too.

Hay

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jmm1837

From the article you cited: "The Trump administration has not taken significant steps to replenish the masks in the Strategic National Stockpile."


I fail to understand why Trump isn't responsible for what happens on his watch. The buck stops with him, whether he likes it or not. That's part of the job description.

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haydayhayday

I'd be curious.

Other than right now, has anyone ever taken any time to look at this "playbook"?

We sure do hear about it a lot.

If it's so good, have any excerpts from it ever been posted in HT?

Hay

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Annie Deighnaugh

abh: It's shocking to learn that they knew how to respond, but didn't tell us!

Hello, they weren't in charge...trump was. It's not their responsibility and in fact there is a long standing custom that former presidents butt out when it comes to new presidents so each can run their administration without interference.

Besides which trump made a concerted effort to destroy *everything* obama did, whether it was working or not, just because it was obama's. Including his pandemic playbook and his oversight committee designed to coordinate the govt response across various departments.

And regardless of what obama did or didn't do, trump is in office now, he's known about this issue for 9 months and has still failed to manage it appropriately as we watch 1,000 of our own die each day unnecessarily with many more deaths to come.

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haydayhayday

"I fail to understand why Trump isn't responsible for what happens on his watch. "

Funny

It was actually me that invented the virus and put it out. My timing was off just a little bit.

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haydayhayday

When I scanned the so-called, I didn't see a single reference to N-95's.

Maybe someone can find it for me.

Jmm?

Annie?

It's referenced in vague terms like this:


Hay

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bfox254

Biden should bring a copy to the debate. Maybe open it up and school Turmp on effective pandemic preparedness. Ask Tump if he's ever seen it, ask Trump if he's ever read it.... Ask Trump why he disbanded the pandemic response team.

Actually I hope the moderator asks Trump these questions so Biden doesn't have to waste his time.

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jmm1837

"I fail to understand why Trump isn't responsible for what happens on his watch. "

Funny

It was actually me that invented the virus and put it out. My timing was off just a little bit. "

Roosevelt didn't drop bombs on Pearl Harbor either. But he responded to it, quickly and forcefully.

Funny that you see the virus as the only issue when it's Trump's inept response that is the point.
Merkel didn't invent the virus either, but she certainly did manage Germany's reaction.

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haydayhayday

bfox:

"Biden should bring a copy to the debate. Maybe open it up and school Turmp on effective pandemic preparedness. "

What was your favorite part of the so-called?

Which page would you suggest Biden open it up to at the debate?

Hay

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haydayhayday

"Funny that you see the virus as the only issue when it's Trump's inept response that is the point."

Before today, had you ever read the so-called?

What's your favorite part?

Did you find any mention of N-95's?

Hay

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jmm1837

Did you read the whole thing? There are regular mentions of the Strategic National Stockpile, and pages 42-43 specifically mention the decision-making around the availability or otherwise of sufficient supplies "to protect health care workers, others who may be around patients."


The point of the playbook is to identify all the factors involved in planning and preparing a response, and allocating the responsibility for each element of the response, so that the ultimate decision makers have all the information available in a timely manner. The questions that needed answering are all identified and the responsibilities for getting the information and recommendations are clearly allocated. The need to assess the state of the National Stockpile and the availability of gear to protect those in contact with infected persons is clearly identified as an element of the play book.

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Kathy

Fauci told Trump in 2017 it was likely there might be a pandemic on his watch. So did Obama. He was warned and he did nothing to prepare.

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maifleur03

I had to laugh at no mention of N-95 masks. How would any administration know what would be available in the future. Do you think that any administration would do something that stupid. Looks like that is a Yes.

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haydayhayday

"to protect health care workers, others who may be around patients."

Brilliant, just absolutely brilliant.

Looks like Cuomo didn't read it either.

How much do you suppose was spent coming up with that gem?

Funny.

Hay


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haydayhayday

Had you ever read it before today?

Anyone?

Have you seen any posts around here that I may have missed that reference any actual items in this so-called?

Hay

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haydayhayday

Just simply brilliant.

"What supplies are needed to protect workers, others who may be in contact with patients?"

A list of questions.

Totally worthless.

Hay

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cattyles

Do you work in healthcare, Hay? Have you ever written or carried out a plan like that? Do you really know which questions need to be answered and how to proceed based on the answers? I really don’t think you do. If Predictit would take bets on that,I’d be all in buddy.

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haydayhayday

Cattyles:

"Have you ever written or carried out a plan like that? "

Absolutely not.

It's pure garbage.

Had you read any of it before today?

What did you find most enlightening?

Hay

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haydayhayday

"Have you ever written or carried out a plan like that? "

No, but I did pass along some of my N-95's to a healthcare worker when she was in desperate need and there were none to be found.

"What supplies are needed to protect workers, others who may be in contact with patients?"

Didn't need a so-called plan to figure that out.

Also passed along a good pair of goggles.

Didn't need a so-called plan.

Hay

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cattyles

Hay, did you catch Ebola?

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cattyles

I think you should volunteer your services since you have it all figured out.

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jmm1837

"A list of questions.

Totally worthless."


Incorrect. The purpose of the playbook, or of every contingency plan I've ever seen, is not to provide instructions for every possible contingency. That is impossible.


The purpose is instead to provide a hierarchy of decision-making and to establish clear lines of responsibility for information gathering, decision making, and program delivery. The first order of business is to establish the parameters of the outbreak and the risk levels, because the response to a very contained disease like SARS is different from the response for a wildly contagious one like Covid19. Then you move on to the different elements of managing a pandemic, from containment to procurement of protective equipment and supplies and all the steps in between.


In other words, the playbook for a pandemic is not going to say "deliver 100,000 masks to Vermont." It is going to ask "do the states have adequate PPE to cover their needs." If yes, move on to the next problem. If no, "do we have sufficient PPE in the SNS to supply the states? If yes, authorize the agency responsible to distribute the PPE and move on. If no, expedite procurement as a top priority. And so on through every question that needs to be answered, because they all do.



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haydayhayday

"Hay, did you catch Ebola?"

No, but I don't eat bushmeat either.

I'm aware that Biden thinks he saved us all.

Hay

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haydayhayday

Jmm adds to the worthlessness

"incorrect...

......

......."

Funny

Hay

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haydayhayday

"I think you should volunteer your services since you have it all figured out."

I'm here for you.

You just need to pay attention.

Hay

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cattyles

Oh no, I’m certainly not worthy of your vast knowledge. I’m glad not eating bushmeat kept you safe from Ebola. You have a good night now.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Exactly jmm... N-95 masks are not helpful against STDs or foodborne or waterborne illnesses. For example, ebola is spread through blood and body fluids, not the air so the appropriate PPE is different than it is for covid.

I have put together a business crisis plan and been involved in planning for a major corporation including working with international teams. No way could we plan for every contingency. No way could a single plan work for every region or every scenario. Rather it lays out the potential issues, the considerations, the roles and responsibilities and the basic processes that need to be addressed.

Regardless of how effective you think the plan was, there was a plan, and there was a coordinating team with oversight. Which is far more than anything trump has even come close to. Let's look at trump's plan...

a) I know how bad it's going to be, but I'm going to downplay that so it doesn't make me look bad, so I'll just tell the American people how it will magically disappear

b) I'm not responsible

c) I'm assigning my VP to the task force with my SIL as the shadow task force and the task force has no public health experts or epidemiologists on it, not even people familiar with sourcing medical equipment and supplies ...but we have some business CEOs on it. It's all about the marketing anyway.

d) I have lots of experts I can listen to, but since I don't like what they say, I'm not letting them talk and instead I'm coming up with my own solutions like injecting disinfectants or shining UV light on people

e) my experts tell me there's much more testing to be done on HCQ, but rather than believe them, I'm pushing it like crazy and I'm even going to take it myself as a preventative

f) I don't want so much testing as the more we test, the more we find. So the way to make the numbers go down is to stop testing. Oh, BTW, before I'll meet with anyone, they need to be tested and my staff needs to be tested on a regular basis

g) send kids back to schools so I can watch college football

....and so on.


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haydayhayday

"I’m glad not eating bushmeat kept you safe from Ebola. "

I'm here to tell the tale, so it must have done some good.

All without Biden's help!
Hay

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Annie Deighnaugh

Some more of trump's plan...

Large, indoor rallies with no masks, no distancing. Is it God or trump that will prevent them from getting the virus, hmm?

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Seriously? What is his job? We're nearing the end of his term in office. He's had almost 4 years now. I understand there was some attempt early on toward addressing this plague in a meaningful way, but then it didn't happen. Wasn't it when they decided it was only affecting so-called blue states?


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haydayhayday

Plans?

Who is it that loves to make plans?

Funny.




It doesn't end well.

Hay

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haydayhayday

"In the Soviet Union, the first Five-Year Plan (1928–32), implemented by Joseph Stalin, concentrated on developing heavy industry and collectivizing agriculture, at the cost of a drastic fall in consumer goods. ... The second plan (1933–37) continued the objectives of the first."

It didn't end well.

Hay


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haydayhayday

"The Great Leap Forward (Second Five Year Plan) of the People's Republic of China (PRC) was an economic and social campaign led by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) from 1958 to 1962."


That plan didn't go so well either.


"The Great Chinese Famine is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions.


The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962)"


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katrina_ellen

Sour grapes will get you nowhere, evidence what is happening to our nation now with the burning down of cities, shooting innocents and the police and demanding their way like the little facists antifa and Blm are and the encouragement they get from the lefts rhetoric.

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Kathy

How’s the air in that bubble?

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katrina_ellen

Hows the taste of the bitter wine (whine)?

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

"How’s the air in that bubble?"

In that enclosure it's probably full of virus and hazardous to one's health.

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