I really dislike work staion sinks IMO a lot of money for stuff that really is not functional and needs spaces for storage . Most a zero radius have a cutting board that IMO is just too small I hate the grids in the bottom of the sink IMO just one more that needs cleaning all the time I would get a nice deep single bowl sink and save the money for something else There are codes for the number of outlets and since your space has very little actual work space that code will probably be fine . IMo your plan with such a small amount of work space would make me nuts.

Well Patricia Colwell it is not your kitchen. You are always so mean!

@Patricia Colwell Consulting I am lamenting my lack of counter space so bad, what can I say my kitchen layout sucks, a bunch of doorways and traffic in, out, and in between every work zone. It took us forever to even come up with a half way acceptable design, and still I'm not thrilled with it, but that's neither here nor there. I would give anything for an island or any way to increase work space.

I initially looked into the workstation sinks ironically to "add" to my limited work surface area with the whole in sink cutting and drying boards all in one place in the sink, but now I will take your advice and check out other single bowl sinks to see if that can work better.

Curious, if this was your kitchen, how would you set it up for best use of available space?

Thanks for info on outlets too :)

Just for the record. Not a big fan of workstations as the primary sink. Strictly my opinion .

The fridge next to the ovens means you are heating up the fridge and making it work overtime when you are using your ovens. In my opinion...

NuNu. I don't normally get involved in layouts..did enough of that in the 35 years I was in the business. You have a beautiful family. You need more counter space.

Yikes, I am the only one not to get a thank you by NuNu, and all I did was put Patricia's post (which NuNu thanked) into more clear and less abrasive words but with the same points. I don't get it. Was it my advice at the end about the refrigerator placement?

@M Miller thank you for taking time to explain Patricia's comment, I appreciate both sets of advice. As I may have mentioned before in my response, I am sick about not having enough counter space in this design, However I truly do not know what to do instead to gain some counter space. The layout in my kitchen is probably one of the most awkward I've ever seen and have the unfortunate task to live/work within its limitations. I wish knocking down the wall between the kitchen and the formal dining room was financially feasible for us, but since it is not I'm very open to suggestions on how to have a better layout for our new kitchen. Do you have any suggestions? I'm not happy about the placement of the refrigerator nor the double ovens nor any of it to be quite honest, however I really don't know what else can be done with this layout. Please help if you don't mind, please tell me what/where/how to change this to a better more functional space. I have the full layout including measurements as well as the original blueprint from the builder dated 1986, would it help if I posted these?

Scratching my head wondering why everyone has such an issue with the prep space. It's really not that bad and you can't do much better unless you expand into the other room and expand you budget. You could have 3 people comfortably prepping in that space if one is behind the peninsula, which is more than a lot of people can say.

It looks like you have 30" on each side of the cooktop which is great. Just don't keep a bunch of crap on the counters like most people do. Saying this as someone who is from an Italian family and big into cooking and prepping.

Yes.

Here are measurements (where fridge/oven/pantry are it is 98 or 100 inches I believe, not 95, but I'm not certain) & we made some changes to cabinetry flanking cooktop and range hood from open shelving to cabinets, and the original builder's blueprint (a very large family room has since been added adjacent to the breakfast nook and oriented our primary living space that way, although we still use the formal living and dining room attached to the kitchen daily too) in case this factors in any.

Can you quickly pencil up something showing the back of the house with the new family room with the dining room and nook?

Have a couple of ideas. They are pretty radical but don't require moving walls lol.

Search " joseph yencho"

Go to"Boston condo rehab"

Notice the difference in work/ counter space.

@RCKsinks Inc. I looked up your Boston condo-gorgeous kitchen and yes the difference in work space made a big difference in that kitchen. I'm absolutely open and thankful for your suggestions.

I've attached pics of old kitchen for reference, 1st one is looking into kitchen (and surrounding dining and living rooms in the background to the right) and the 2nd pic is view from kitchen/breakfast nook into the family room addition to the right. The white closet doors you see are the laundry closet which has since been removed and in the new floorplan drawings is where the refrigerator/wall ovens/pantry will go

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@RCKsinks Inc. these pictures show the deck layout and the placement of the three doors leading to the deck between the kitchen and nook, formal dining room, and family room addition. The door in the kitchen is never used and in my opinion could be closed off and used for kitchen space if it could be worked in appropriately.

@RCKsinks Inc. and lastly these show the living and dining rooms as well as the view from front door illustrating the main entry into the kitchen all the way back to the family room addition.

Thanks for the compliment NuNu. That was me in my previous life as a kitchen designer and GC in Boston before I decided to start designing products that made sense to me.

So my next question..with such a large family..the new new counter only seems to seat 3..seems like your giving up the ability to seat 6 in the nook? Did you ever use the nook for family lunches..breakfast..the kinds of meals you typically don't serve in the dining room?

Beautiful home by the way...(:

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@RCKsinks Inc. thank you! And we never use the nook, we use the dining room table for all meals, sure my youngest boys would love to have breakfast or snacks at the counter, but I'm not that concerned with more seating in the breakfast nook 2-3 seats at the counter is enough. The priority for me in regards to counter/prep space is to have somewhere to sit and chop/prep as I have a bad back/neck and can't stand for too long, yet I love to cook and I cook at least 2 times a day most days. Comfort, ergonomics, storage and user friendliness of my new kitchen is most important to me.

@RCKsinks Inc. these pictures are very old, we have redone most of the house (flooring, paint, fixtures, etc) with dark wood floors and a grey paint palette. Still not sure of the design style it is now, I'm guessing transitional/modern farmhouse?

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What a lovely deck and home!

First, switch the dishwasher to the outside edge of your peninsula if you can. Having a dishwasher next to a corner is a total PITA (I lament it DAILY). You have plenty of prep on the L counter next to the sink as long as you don't throw a bunch of appliances on it.

I can see Patricia's point about the workstation sinks limiting your prep and exacerbating storage problems. But if you really want one, go for it. You'll find out soon enough if it's something that will work for you, and if it doesn't - well, you can stash all the workstation stuff and just use the big bowl, and then you can chalk up the extra money you spent to a failed experiment. I've had a few MUCH MORE expensive failed experiments in my life...like grad school, a Harley, and designing my own home (still crying about that one) so I won't judge. I've never had a workstation sink so I can't comment on its usefulness.

You may also want to consider switching the double ovens and fridge so you don't have the fridge door problem.

Also, you may want to think about closing off the door to the deck and adding a bench/table in your nook space. Or even a counter facing the windows (like they have at Chipotle). You have that other door to the deck off your family room so it seems like you wouldn't lose much by closing that off.

@anj_p has some good points. I don't see how you can add more counter space if you don't want to take down a wall and you need the peninsula for sitting while prepping. The bar in front of the window is a good suggestion if you really need more countertop and it's possible to make happen without looking too out of place. Just need to be creative. The countertop space in the current plan isn't terrible though.

I've had a couple of workstation sinks and this one is gigantic and awesome, especially for the price: https://www.amazon.com/Ruvati-32-inch-Workstation-Undermount-Stainless/dp/B007DQ1Z12/

If you don't want to use the workstation stuff you don't have to, but they're nice to have. I use the roll-up rack daily. It's really useful for a large single bowl sink. I don't use the other stuff too much.

For under cabinet lights, these are by far the best I've owned. Dimmable and you can switch between 3 color temperatures: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0142CFZU6/

With your current plan, I count the need for 5-6 countertop outlets and one at the end of the peninsula.

Good luck!

Whoops. Didn't see you had a door there. The bar in front of the window might be tricky if you want to keep it.

I never use my colander or wood cutting board. Plastic goes in the dishwasher, but wood does not. My workstation extras are in the garage gathering dust.

Here is an idea...

Most people do not use both double ovens except for once or twice a year. You could skip the double oven and use a 6 burner stove/oven with no drawers below. Put a microwave drawer to the left or right of the stove/oven and your deep pots and pans drawers on the other side. You may want to consider a different vent hood so you have cabinet space above the stove. I would hate to clean that open vent hood and its chimney pipe all the way to the ceiling and on a ladder with my bad back. I love the look of your vent hood plans, but I am too practical (or lazy?).

Move refrigerator over a little to create a tall 24" deep cabinet for a vacuum or broom or cleaning supplies, large kitchen items... The other side of refrigerator could also be 24" deep and hold your food items. (No countertop.) You could use a counter depth refrigerator. I love mine because it is shallower and I don't lose stuff in there. You already have a water line there because of your washer so your ice maker can get connected.

The cabinets on the dining room wall could be tall with no countertop or you could move the sink and dishwasher there. I like an island with nothing on it so I would hate a sink on my island. The island could be moved back where it does not begin until the corner. That means you do not have dead space. The dishwasher and sink could go on the island with bar stools or regular chairs right before you get to the light switches and the exterior door.

I have very little countertop space in my kitchen because it would be full of crap. I have landing areas for hot things from the oven and the rangetop, for refrigerator things, and for dishwasher things. I have a raised dishwasher which opens up at waist level. Easier on my back. Mixers, food processors, Dutch ovens, Instant Pot, electric can opener, and other large items go in 24" deep cabinets. I have to move my mixer, etc to the island to use them, but that is good exercise since my mixer weighs 25 lbs.

If money grew on trees, I would do this...

... Move the breakfast room and roof line back 4-5 ft to be even with the new living room? The two corner walls are load bearing so you would have a 4-5 ft wall between the living room and breakfast room and you would lose the living room door to the deck. Upside down L shape. The breakfast room door would be at the end near the railing. That gives you 4-5 ft more space and a view of the living room. You could put the sink and dishwasher on the deck wall and have an island which faces the new living room. Seating at the island could be with bar stools, or that part of the island could be lower, and regular chairs could be used. Keep the tall windows because of the wonderful light coming in, and you still have a walkway to the exterior door to the deck.

You are so lucky your house is giving you many options. Most kitchens don't have closets and laundry areas that you can remove. I can't wait to see what you decide to do. I know it will be amazing.

2 final questions.

( finally ! lol)

1 how new is the family room

2 that new dimensional print..available on .pdf?

@RCKsinks Inc. I sent you the pdf and info to your email, coming from butterflygirl

Thanks!

Hey NuNu

Have the email. Give me a couple of days..working with my crew to get a big order out. Thanks!