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Best Cascading Roses

Looking for a rose that is cascading, continual and heavy/ proliferate blooming for a front yard slope in the colder climate(z4 or 5). Fragrance would be a plus as this is in the front yard. Winter is long and snowy; summer is short and cool. The location is full sun. So far I've got the following candidates: the fairy, the white meidiland, J & P wedding dress, peach, apricot, or popcorn drift, Marie Pavie, and possibly the vineyard song but it seems a little too bright. I tried to find discussions on the drift, but there are not that many lately; the HMF ratings are not super impressive either. Any experiences with the above?

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  • flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
    2 years ago

    Hoovb's Bishop's Castle cascading down her steps immediately came to mind, but I don't know how hardy it is, or to what zone it is rated. Here's a link to her blog. She used to comment here. https://pieceofeden.blogspot.com/2011/05/inadvertently-good-1.html

    Here's how it grew - https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4603361/how-far-are-those-bishop-s-castles-from-the-retaining-wall-hoovb

    I have a young White Meidiland, and it wants to grow upright, and has no scent.

    I tried very hard for years to grow The Fairy, but mine were disappointments. They were closer to white than pink, and almost single blooms and no scent at all. Some grow it successfully, though. It stayed close to the ground and spread out about 5' in every direction.

    I don't know about the others you mentioned.

    Several Austin roses have floppy growth that might work on your slope. I'm thinking of Young Lycidas, Strawberry Hill and The Wedgewood Rose. All are fragrant and would cascade, I think.

    Take a look at Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison. It would cascade nicely without support to climb on.

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  • Diane Brakefield
    2 years ago

    Yogi, the very first rose I ever grew was a hedge of The Fairy. It was very upright, thorny, and had no scent in our dry air. I grew it for years, and it was always chlorotic. It simply hated our alkaline soil, and adding iron to the soil only partly helped. Once I discovered other roses, I really began to hate The Fairy. I don't see how this rose could do any cascading or draping. It was upright as all get out, and stood about 3 feet, or slightly more, tall. For several years, I've grown Apricot Drift roses which I like very much. They spread out, but aren't really floppy, and do bloom pretty much continuously. They don't require pruning, though I like to deadhead mine when I'm so inclined. Apricot drift makes a great filler in some of my rose beds, and adds soft color where it might be needed. Here are a few photos in the next post below. Diane

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    2 years ago




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  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    I mentioned Pink and Red Drift as great drapers. The various Drifts have different attributes and not all are cascading. Young Lycidas is meant to also. Christian J is wonder in this regard, but is unfortunately BS. I'll take a look at the hybrid musks on my hill today and report back. I wouldn't consider MPavie a drapey type rose, but she does have a very graceful and naturalistic habit.

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  • Diane Brakefield
    2 years ago

    I've also grown Young Lycidas for years, and it gets big with long floppy canes. I consider it a fairly high maintenance rose. It doesn't take heat well and needs quite a bit of trimming, and often some tying up. My home is at the top of a hill and almost everything grows on some kind of slope. YL leans a lot on his neighbors, particularly Colette, a climber. When the weather is nice, this rose has lovely blooms and a nice scent. I don't mind his leaning on friends because he's not an aggressive or thuggish rose. Diane

  • Kes Z 7a E Tn
    2 years ago

    How big?

    What about Weeping China Doll? Mine is young so not the 4-6 ft. size yet as predicted on HMF. But it's healthy and a steady grower and bloomer as are most polyanthas here. It has pleasant fragrance although not strong. Being nearly thornless is a plus in my book.

    Sweet Chariot? I've had this one awhile. Maybe 15 or 20 yrs. I would tend to disbelieve the size on HMF because mine is at least 3 ft high and wider than that. That is with no care to speak of and growing in shade. It's healthy and tough as nails here. The individual blooms are pleasant if not exciting but Its spring flush is really something special. The fragrance is wonderful and wafts on the spring air. Mauve roses aren't my favorite but I'd always find room for this one.

  • Kes Z 7a E Tn
    2 years ago

    Sorry, I failed to notice your zone till after I had already made my suggestions. I'm not at all sure that these roses would be hardy for you, on a slope, especially if exposed to wind without adequate snow cover. I think that good snow cover would give them a fighting chance but you often don't get that on a slope.

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  • northlandyogi_mi5a
    Original Author
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    @flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA Thank you for sharing all the info and links to Hoovb's posts. Those gardens and stairways are so pretty! The blue and purple bushes in those pictures are so impressive too! I also grow Cat Walker's Low and like that they bloom long, but they seem to be more foliage than blooms.

    @Diane Brakefield Wow the apricot drift does flower abundantly as advertised! I like how full of blooms it looks. Is that Queen of Sweden in the back? How do you space them when you plant the drift with other upright rose bushes? Don't the rose bushes require 3 feet from other plants?

    What a beautiful garden! What is your zone? And what is that pretty yellow rose in the back? Thanks!

    @Kes Z 7a E Tn Thank you! The following is a picture I took a couple of weeks ago. The slop is on the right side and not very steep. I recently added a lot of top soil to the slop and made it into a couple of tiers. I'll take a picture in the morning. I'd like flowers drifting/spilling down.

    Front Yard · More Info


  • Diane Brakefield
    2 years ago

    Thanks, yogi. It looks like you've made a wonderful start on your garden. I look forward to seeing more photos of the scene above, as the plants grow and fill in. Will you be growing anything on your pergola? To answer your questions: I garden in SW Idaho, semi arid desert, in zone 7. The yellow rose you asked about is one of my Julia Child roses--they are, frankly, quite huge. The small rose behind the Apricot Drift is my Abe "Twig" Darby. I'm used to mostly big roses, and this Abe just refuses to grow to a normal size. It's just one of my two own root roses, so you can see why I prefer grafted roses. I never worry about spacing, but my roses are mature. I decided to plant Drifts just to fill in around some of the roses. I hate soil showing. I grow lots of perennials, too. The Apricot Drifts seem to photograph more pink, but they do show light apricot when they first open, and then lighten to pink. The bloom size is very small, so photos can fool you, but I like them that way in contrast to my full sized roses. Diane

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  • northlandyogi_mi5a
    Original Author
    2 years ago

    @Diane Brakefield Thank you for taking time to answer my questions. How to incorporate roses in landscaping so they all look nice together is a big challenge. It's exciting for sure, but overwhelming too, for a newbie. All your roses are so beautiful! I know we are in different zones but how do you take care of them? We see so many jaw-dropping beautiful pictures and I sometimes wonder how much work and efforts do people put in.

  • flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
    2 years ago

    Yogi, yes, I forgot Noseometer's photos were in that last link, too. She does blue to perfection and her garden is a great reference for blue perennials as well as roses. She also grows gorgeous Bishop's Castle. I'm glad you brought her photos to my attention. I need to remove some perennials that suffer in the heat and replace with some of noseometer's heat loving plants.

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    yogi, there's another cascader used in a regional garden to great effect... Red Cascad. It has tiny, but profuse blooms and looked gorgeous massed together. It's obviously not a rose with big fluffy blooms, but showy when in bloom. I also looked and the Hybrid Musk Belinda, Bubble Bath, Marjorie Fair, ARE's Excellenz von Schubert and Prosperity. They will get large, however.

  • strawchicago z5
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Excellenz von Schubert has a nice wafting scent and gets big & tall in my zone 5a. It's a large-fountain-shaped & survived 5+ winters. Young Lycidas (grafted-on-Dr.Huey) is tiny & shorter than a teapot and died in my first zone 5 winter .. it's in the zone-5-wimpy-category.

    Sweet Drift has a nice wafting scent and GETS LARGE & SPREADING in zone 5. Sweet Drift blooms in 3 flushes, with a long pause in between versus CONTINUOUS BLOOMING of Flowercarpet, so my vote goes to Flowercarpet, I posted a bush-shot pic. of Sweet Drift in my zone 5 in HMF, see below:

    https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.61450.0&tab=36

    For cascading roses, see pics. I took of Chicago Botanical rose Garden and Cantigny rose garden below. The post are long, and the pics. are in the UPPER comments shrunk by Houzz.

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/3179492/chicago-botanical-gardens-waterfalls-roses-perennials#n=94

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/3194694/cantigny-gardens-roses-mccormick-mansion-war-museum-perennials#n=64

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    2 years ago

    Thank you Straw for linking to that CBG post I remember reading it at the time and all the names fused into one another! I'm going to read through the entire thing again for cascaders since I can use more on my long hill. That Sweet Drift picture was astounding. It does seem all these Drifts vary alot. My Pink Drift blooms more often that my Red Drift, but then again, the flowers are single. I never see the FlowerCarpet roses sold here. Regarding, EVS... is your from ARE or Burling. The one at ARE is purported to actually be GardenDirektor Otto Linne. I should get Burling's to compare.

  • strawchicago z5
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    My Excellenz von Shubert are from Burlington, it's cane hardy & fountain-shaped and fantastic wafting scent. Knock-outs take over the mid-west when FlowerCarpet ARE MUCH BETTER. FlowerCarpet are non-stop bloomers, versus a long pause in between Drift's 3 flushes for zone 5. My two FlowerCarpet are almost 20 year-old, but my six Knock-outs died. Right now in hot & dry August, only FlowerCarpet are blooming, but NOT Drift nor Knock-out in my neighborhood.

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    2 years ago

    Does your EVS have prickles? I think I've read Burling's is thorn-free.

  • strawchicago z5
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    My Excellenz von Shubert is from Burlington & prickles grow larger & bigger as it gets older. Thorns are spaced apart, but sharp. I got pricked by it a few times. It makes an impressive sight considering that roses in zone 5 are so small after winter, some die to the crown.

    Vaporvac: I read in the other post that Lady of Shalott is on your buy-list, then I read that Berrypie wants to get rid of her. I agree with Berrypie, I want to get rid of Lady of Shalott (large bush but few blooms in partial shade). Mine is own-root and the scent is nauseating, like mothball and orange peels .. I'm actually afraid to sniff it. I should had listened to Andrea in England who stated that she shunned that rose for its odd scent of camphor. But it's a huge and thorny bush & very healthy .. won't waste my time digging it up. I would be happy if it dies in winter, but it lives forever !! There should be a post entitled "Roses that you wish it'll die, but it lives forever." Just kidding. That teach me a lesson to focus on SMALL and HIGH-QUALITY scents roses & very happy with Pretty Lady rose's fantastic carnations scent.

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    2 years ago

    Thanks for that warning! LOL! : )) I am ordering for a friend's long fenceline after seeing my next-door neighbor's. Unless the scent wafts, he doesn't care about fragrance, but I know noses and sensitivities vary. My neighbor planted it this year on his metal fence and it is non-stop blooming and extraordinarily healthy. Maybe I should ask to smell it as it's atop a tall retaining wall out of my reach. It gets full sun and excellent drainage and will do the same in my friend's yard. My neighbor also grows Roald Dahl and it's also super healthy. We're ordering that one for him also.

    I spent a long time reviewing my roses and new roses to order for his garden focusing on fragrance and health only to find out he doesn't care if it's fragrant and can't easily bend down to smell the shorter ones, so all future roses will waft. Of course, us fragrance junkies can't understand that! I'm getting him Marie Pavie. I am looking for some smaller filler roses so probably Bolero and maybe your favourite Dee-lish. We will see what's available.

  • northlandyogi_mi5a
    Original Author
    2 years ago

    @strawchicago z5 Thank you! I looked at the link and it is amazing! I left some comments and questions there. I saw you listed your favorite DAs 3 years ago in that post and I was going to ask you for your updated list, but I figured the question would fit this following post better for those who might search for the topic. Do you mind post on this thread? Thank you! Cold climate/northern garnders, show me your roses please!https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5974637/cold-climate-northern-garnders-show-me-your-roses-please#25920505 


  • Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Straw Chicago, I got my Excellenz von Schubert from Burlington too. Half the canes are completely thornless. The rest look like this with very tiny prickles so close together that you can grab them with bare hands and they don’t hurt. The first picture is the most dangerous looking ones I could find, but second picture is more typical for me. They aren’t really that sharp. They have duller points.




  • strawchicago z5
    2 years ago

    Stephanie: Mine EVS was like the above pic. when it was younger ... but now as 9th-year-old own-root the prickles get larger. Same with Yves Seedling, when it was 1-year old it was completely thornless, now it grows some sharp thorns (wide-spaced) apart at 8th-year old.

  • Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
    2 years ago

    If you have a picture of your mature EVS, and it’s not any trouble, I would love to see it. I am having a really hard time visualizing mine as a climber. It’s 2 years old and sends out 6 ft canes from the base with a cluster of flowers on the ends. I was hoping for flowers all along the canes especially the ones that are horizontal but maybe it won’t flower this way. Also very few laterals. It’s not acting much like a climber.

  • strawchicago z5
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Stephanie: Here's a pic. of EVS (second pic. in the page) in front of my house in HMF, in only 4 hrs. of sun. It dies back to 1 feet of cane after my zone 5a winter. It's a fountain-shaped shrub, but NOT a climber.

    https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=3.23414&tab=36&qn=5&qc=9

  • Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
    2 years ago

    Mine is not a climber here, either, Stephanie. It might be too hot for ideal growth for this rose here.

  • Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
    2 years ago

    Thanks Straw and Shelia. I just checked HMF and it says 5 ft climber. I must have figured that it would be larger here in SoCal since many do get taller. It gets maybe 6 hours sun in peak summer and less other times and it likes its spot. It has the healthiest most beautiful glossy leaves of any of my roses!

  • northlandyogi_mi5a
    Original Author
    2 years ago

    @strawchicago z5 Do you know which reputable online vendors carry Flower Carpet White rose? I saw lots of Drift series everywhere but couldn't find anyone carrying Flower Carpet. Thank you!