Severe_Novice Zone 7B GA

4 hours ago

Very expensive, it's a healthy tree, and it's just not worth it for the few roses I can grow there as a novice.

Unfortunately I have no good advice.

A shame you are not an experienced rosarian. Several options might have been available, had you not been a novice.

Hi @Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA! Unfortunately I don't think roses would do too well under that tree. My dad tried planting a couple of climbing roses along our back fence. There are huge redwoods growing on the other side. The roses are between 20 and 30 years old, and they are still struggling and look very unhealthy. They do bloom, but not that much and the blooms are very small. The good news is that there are many beautiful flowering plants that will thrive under the tree. Here is an article that lists the different kinds of plants: 10 Types of Good Shade Plants That Grow Well Under Trees. Hydrangeas, azaleas, and camellias are some of my favorites!

I hope this helps!

damask_rose : )

P.S. - Beautiful house by the way!

Thank you all.

I think the only other rose I will add there will be Belinda's Dream, all the way to the other side of the bed. That is close to 20 feet away from the tree and I think she should be OK. But that's it. No other rose can go there anymore, apparently.

Sheila,

If I am to do roses in containers, those will go on my deck where I can actually see them.

I would love to keep Belinda's Dream in a container too but I am not sure she's shrubby enough for one. i am afraid she will have to go in the ground and I will position her as far away from the tree as I can

damask_rose,

Thank you for the link. We already have a large row of azaleas right to the left of what you see in the picture / to the left of the tree. At this point, I am not sure it's worth planting anything under the canopy. The edge of the bed, however, is right outside and gets good sun. Maybe some perennials right on the border, that I will not have to bother with too much.

Also, the house in the picture is not mine, that's the neighbor's :).

20 feet away from the tree with 6 or more hours of sun will be fine. Yes water and fertilize more. There are very few places in my garden where my roses are further than 20 feet from any tree, it is just not always possible, the KEY is sun. Be very sure the tree is not shading them. Belindas dream is supposed to be a very strong hybrid tea but it is still a hybrid tea (they read weak in my mind)Please I mean no offense to the hybrid teas since they are lovely. You already have an area with root competition you should choose a rose that is supposed to be thug to begin with and your chances of success will increase.

tree behind has been limbed, there is also a crape myrtle

bed surrounded by trees, I always have to dig through roots.

dianela,

I thought BD was a floribunda or shrub! They always say that it blooms LIKE an HT but is not an HT. I am torn between potting it up and keeping it in a pot more or less permanently, and placing it in my less-than-adequate bed, all the way to the other side, far away from the tree.

Then I would have to do some research on which ones are both BS resistant AND thugs! :)

Your roses are spectacular!

I have been growing roses in the land of tree roots for a long while. When I planted roses I couldn't dig deep anywhere in the yard. Most of my roses don't grow big, they stay small. In the deep shade by the north facing wall the roses bloom for me are Darlow's Enigma, New Dawn and Blushing Lucy. We had tree service to cut down 9 trees about two years ago, The good time to cut down trees (up north) is during the winter-slow season for tree services, price is lower than normal. Last winter as a gardener doing house hunting, I had a totally a different view, I made sure I'd have land under the sun for roses......I got that, but tree root tale will be continued, the dream house we are buying has trees, there are 100 yrs+ old maple trees lined up by the circular driveway and the front of the house. That's a lot of area in the shade. So far I am planning to grow Darlow's Enigma to climb up those tree trunks ( DE repeats faster than ND). We shall close this month, can't wait to start a new rose garden. It looks like trees and roses are always in my garden journey. Lol

Dianela, beautiful photos!

Severe sorry I apologize, I saw it one of her parents was Tiffany and did not check on her classification. She is supposed to be almost immune to BS so definitely worth a try.

Thank you Summers 😁looking forward to seeing your new garden. We also bought a different house, and I ended up with a few hundred year old oaks in the backyard with a rim of sun and a circular drive with giant pines. So here we go again.

summers,

Congratulations on your new house!

That gives me some hope. I know it's not ideal but I could at least have a few there. I will just make sure to niot plant anything left of what I have now.

Right now I am a novice, but when I first started I was a super-novice. So I first planted an HT and a grandiflora in the vicinity, maybe 6-8 feet away from the trunk or so. I am hoping that getting right on the edge of the canopy, or sightly outside, and picking only non-HT-s and non-grandifloras could help them do better.

Congrats to you too Dianela! A new beginning! :-) Thanks guys! Buying this property is like pulling out a root canal, went through all the root canal treatment and then pull it out. It's long and slow. We made an offer in the beginning of Feb, now is August! This short sale is truly a long sale. Lol

Severe, you will get there. I am sure you will plant more roses around your beautiful home, before you know it you'd become a rose shopaholic like us. :-)

summers,

Oh, I would, if I could. But my space and time issues force me to keep it in check (or together :)).

5 in the hardly adequate rose bed, 3 in containers, 2 Drifts in the front/foundation bed, and a climber behind the deck is the most I can handle. The trick will be to pick just the right ones over the long term.

You are so good, under control. :-) I packed my yard so bad.. Lol

Summers,

I am at a point where I don't really want anymore until I see significant success with at least one. It hasn't happened so far, unless I count Julia Child's nice but short lived flush this Spring. She is developing new buds again, but much fewer than in Spring.

Relatively profuse blooming for a baby or compared to what I've had so far, but flowers don't last.

I need to see at least one of my bushes doing the following consistently:

1. Get covered in bloom (not a few sparse blooms, here and there).

2. Rebloom well

3. Grow to its expected size

4. NOT succumb to black spot and be almost completely defoliated by the end of the season.

5. Not ball.

No. 1 is most important.

If I see I can get at least one of the ones I already have to behave like this, I'll will probably want more in the future, if only to replace the duds, the lazies and the inadequate. :)

Until then - I think I am good. The only one I am still waiting on now is Olivia Austin, due this Fall.

(Gosh, it sounds as if I am pregnant or something! But I suppose if some people can refer to themselves as fur parents, dog moms, etc., why couldn't I be pregnant with a rose? LOL).

This is my little collection:

Rose bed with tree nearby:

1. Good as Gold HT, 3 yo, sparse bloom, prone to BS.

2. Dick Clark, grandiflora, bare root 3 yo, sparse bloom, pretty disease resistant, my healthiest, (+ garish color, weird name. :)).

3. Julia Child, floribunda, bare root, planted this Spring, promising so far, some BS at the bottom.

4. Love Song, floribunda, bare root, planted this Spring, gorgeous color but balling problems.

In Pots:

5. Rosie the Riveter, bare root, potted this Spring, very BS prone, may have infected other roses ('meh' name).

6. Belinda's Dream, band potted this spring, growing well, 8 buds coming (exciting), some BS despite disease-resistance reputation.

7. Easy Does It, band potted this spring, slow grower, hopeful BS resistance so far, but still too small and early to tell.

In ground, climbing on deck rails:

8. Climbing Pinkie, 3 yo, BS prone, one-time bloomer in Spring, not so useful so far.

Expecting with great expectations. :)

9. Olivia Rose, own root, will go in large pot, fingers crossed.

10. Plan to purchase in Fall:

2 Coral Drifts for some color in front bed.

There it is.

That sounds good! Please post photos when they are in bloom. :-)

Oh, I am SO going to post Belinda soon, assuming she doesn't ball. I heard she can do that although I didn't know any problem with her so far in that respect.

As of now, I am counting 9 little buds...which I think is quite nice for a baby band planted this Spring in a rather small pot. She grew so much faster than Easy Does it, who was planted as band about the same time. I have great hopes for her.

Nice buds, almost there! :-)

Severe_novice: I am looking forward to your updates on Belida‘s dream performance. I have had it on my list for a long time and have never committed. If she does well for you it may be time I try her also since we have the same disease pressure.

Dianela,

Yes, I will make sure to post updates on this thread - hopefully you will find it helpful.

We are indeed quite close to you, NW Atlanta suburb. We used to travel regularly to Jacksonville, AL to visit my mother-in-law but recently she moved to GA, closer to her children. So North Alabama is almost like home to us. :)

As promised, I am posting some updates of my baby band Belinda's Dream in a pot. It produced 10 buds most recently but the blooms are small in this humid heat. Maybe it's the heat, maybe it's the fact that the rose started as a band, maybe it's the pot which is on the small side - either way, the performance is OK but nothing mind-blowing. A few buds are yet to bloom.

Some stems are so spindly they can't even support small blooms and a couple fell on the side.

The blooms are also more faded out than what I remember in the spring.

All in all, for the plant's first year as a band it's probably not bad.

I still haven't decided whether to pot her up in a large pot or place her in the only spot left in the rose bed, at the other end from that tree.

In all honesty, at this hot time of the year, zinnias and marigolds are more exciting. :(