Crowded lake party linked to an outbreak of coronavirus in Michigan

dublinbay z6 (KS)

They may not call them 'COVID parties,' but that is what they are, regardless.

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"It remains unclear exactly how many people have tested positive for COVID-19 after attending the party on the popular lake's southwestern sand bar, near Rapid City, but photos and video of the July 4 weekend shared by the Traverse City Record Eagle show people gathering in close quarters while partying in the water and standing in close proximity while on the sandbar.

The health department said that some people who tested positive for COVID-19 haven't been able to identify everyone they came in contact with, making contact tracing more difficult.

"Therefore we want to make the public aware that those who attended could be at risk for exposure and additional cases could be seen in the coming days," the health department said. "If you were at the Torch Lake Sandbar party over 4th of July weekend, you should monitor for signs and symptoms of COVID-19 and seek testing if symptoms should develop or if you were at high risk for exposure due to being in close proximity with others or not wearing a cloth facial covering."

The outbreak at Torch Lake comes weeks after a college bar in East Lansing, Michigan, was linked to at least 185 COVID-19 cases that spanned 15 of the state's 83 counties."


https://news.yahoo.com/crowded-lake-party-hundreds-people-172447014.html

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So the result was an 'outbreak' of coronavirus. Who is surprised?

Kate

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Report after report on the spread of coronavirus:

"Family gathering infects 41 people with the coronavirus, NC health official says

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Catawba County [in NCarolina], about 45 minutes northwest of Charlotte off Lake Norman, has reported 1,105 cases of the coronavirus and 13 deaths, N.C. Department of Health and Human Services’ data show.

According to one recent case study by the county health department, a single family gathering was responsible for at least 40 of those cases.

More than two dozen people were reportedly in attendance.

“Folks did not wear masks or observe physical distancing at this gathering, and 14 people who attended subsequently tested positive for COVID-19,” McCracken said.

The family members went about their daily lives before they started showing symptoms — which can appear anywhere from two to 14 days after exposure, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That included going to work and “taking a beach trip with other families,” according to the release.

“This set into motion a person-to-person contact chain that to date has spread COVID-19 to 41 people in 9 different families and 8 different workplaces,” McCracken said.

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Two of the families who attended the party and later tested positive for the coronavirus returned to work afterward, infecting at least nine of their co-workers, the contact tracing map shows. Those co-workers subsequently infected their parents, kids and spouses."

https://news.yahoo.com/family-gathering-infects-41-people-210802916.html

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I wish someone would ask them--didn't they know the virus is CONTAGIOUS?

Kate

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Ann

Oh good, at least it wasn't the thousands and thousands that gathered for protests. So glad we didn't get any Covid problems from those!

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seagrass_gw

From what I saw, most of the protesters wore masks. Are you one of those anti-maskers??

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catspa_zone9sunset14

The graphic that goes with the story is interesting:

The conclusion: “It’s not hard to prevent the spread COVID-19,” she said. “What’s hard is having to call 20, 30, 40 people a day and tell them that not only are they sick with an untreatable illness, but they are also required to isolate themselves from others, including their loved ones, and stay home from work for two weeks or until they recover.”

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

This virus is ridiculously contagious. I just read about a asymptomatic woman (I think in Australia) who got on an empty elevator and her germs ended up infecting 71 people.

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Joaniepoanie

Good grief——trumpers are a broken record with their “protesters are the major cause of the spread” despite umpteen sources, including Fox, that says they weren’t/aren’t.

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foodonastump

People should protest at the beach. Enjoy the outdoors with friends and stay safe from Covid simultaneously!

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Joaniepoanie

Most protesters wear masks—-most party goers don’t. That’s the difference.

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AnnKH

Joaniepoanie, don't try to confuse the issue with facts and logic.

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Ann

Joanie, nah, it's definitely a political thing. Dems don't spread it and Republicans do. It's SCIENCE!

Now, we can ignore the fact that contact tracers in some locations aren't permitted to even ask Covid positive people if they've attended a protest, when they are working to establish a point of contact. Since we know protesters, BLM groups, and democrats in general can't spread the virus, that one can be crossed off the list of possibilities with no inquiry needed.

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Ann

"So the result was an 'outbreak' of coronavirus. Who is surprised?"

Oh heck, no surprise from me. Of course congregating near a lake would spread the virus when congregating in a city for a protest would not. Simple logic would tell us that.

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Del Phinium

“ Since we know protesters, BLM groups, and democrats in general can't spread the virus, that one can be crossed off the list of possibilities with no inquiry needed.”


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Ann

Miami is having a terrible time right now with cases and the mayor (a Republican) thinks the protests certainly could have been a main cause. But, a social epidemiologist talks about the social distancing we all saw being so carefully observed during those protests.

"Bailey notes that the protests mostly took place outdoors in large areas, and research continues to show that spending time outdoors is far safer than staying indoors. She also says most protesters have been seen wearing masks and practicing social distancing."

Furthermore, how racist of that Republican mayor to even think those protests played a role!!!!!

"In a statement released Monday, former state Sen. Dwight Bullard, now the political director for New Florida Majority, demanded an apology from Gimenez to the countless Black and brown Floridians insulted by his claim, which he called "racist, plain and simple."

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Ann, the trouble with simplistic thinking (your "simple logic" or common sense) is that it is frequently wrong, usually because underlying assumptions are incorrect and/or incomplete. Here's an interesting study from your state finding that the BLM protests reduced transmission of Covid overall, mainly because the net effect was that more people stayed home because of the protests: https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/.

Many people have been looking for significant upticks in transmission due to the protests and haven't found any so far, though nobody would say no infection transmission occurred because of them; in fact it's quite likely some did, but not as many, by far, as seems to have happened because of premature reopening and careless socializing. This article notes what the differences between protests and beach parties, etc., when it comes to infection spread, might be. A summary:

There isn’t evidence that Black Lives Matter protests have led to a noticeable increase in COVID-19 cases, despite early concerns from health officials.

The reasons for the lack of transmission likely have to do with the protesters being outside in the wind and sun and most of them wearing masks.

People who attend other outdoor events, such as going to the beach or a ball game, tend to share indoor facilities like bathrooms, shops, and restaurants. (And, it should be noted, mostly aren't wearing masks, at least in the photos I've seen.)

If your contempt for science is so huge that your feel compelled to ignore the evidence that conflicts with your "opinion", you should just go all the way and forswear all modern medicine and technology -- after all, scientists are just a bunch of liars and cheats, right?


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llucy

I saw many protesters NOT distancing or wearing masks. Saw them sitting and standing in groups talking, taking breaks with masks around their necks. They were outdoors and on the move at least some of the time, but that doesn't necessarily grant immunity from covid.

Also, are we to believe protesters never do anything else? They never go to bars/beaches/backyard bbq's/ parks/lakes, etc. like non-protesters? Pffft.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Miami is having a terrible time right now with cases and the mayor (a Republican) thinks the protests certainly could have been a main cause.

Source? Not according to the local article below, and what is patently obvious, given the local culture. There seems to be conflicting info about what the mayor thinks is the main cause is (and he also needs to do a way better job of enforcement than he has thus far):

Revelers often showed up to a $6 million waterfront mansion for festivities, drawing Miami Beach code enforcers 43 times and the police 18 times. Then gunfire at a party there Sunday wounded two people, sending them to the hospital, according to a city spokesman. One man was arrested, accused of violating city code by having the party, but the shooter vanished.

The Miami Police Department has responded to 11 “pandemic parties” in recent months, including five in June. But the organizers of one July Fourth bash say they pulled off their warehouse rager without police interference, and some 250 attended.

A large party delighted 50 teens in Royal Palm Beach, with officers finding them drinking at a home one late night in May. The man who opened the door refused to let the cops in, so they arrested him on the charge of resisting an officer. The cops shut the party down.

There were parties aplenty across South Florida around the Fourth of July weekend. Broward dispatchers received more than 170 calls about parties and gatherings that were too large or loud, from July 1 to July 6. The city of Miami shut down seven venues and parties over the holiday weekend for not following social-distancing ordinances.

Those who’ve attended such parties bring up the uncertainty of how long the pandemic will last — while there’s a need to get out. “We have no idea how long this is going to last and that seemed like a good way to let loose with the measures they were offering,” says Ashley Davis, a Miami resident who attended the July Fourth warehouse bash. The event’s organizers allayed partygoers’ concerns with a disinfection machine that experts say is ineffective...

...Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez has singled out partygoers for accelerating the spread. “We saw a rapid rise in young people ... being positive to COVID-19 around mid-June,” he told CBS’ “Face The Nation.” “I think that that had a lot to do with probably socializing, young kids going to parties, maybe graduation parties at homes, because it’s been pretty locked down here for some time.” source

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Ziemia(6a)

Massachusetts has a Republican governor.

Our infection rate even with all the protests has continued to fall. We had days and days of protests - all around the state. (They set up pop-up testing sites in the various places to ensure protesters got tested.)

(The defense of Trump by our Trump supporters seems to necessitate mocking and nit picking the data & science.)


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Nana H

Too bad that instead of pointing fingers and placing blame everyone couldn't face their common enemy united.

We know how to control this (best we can). Physically distance, wear a mask, wash your hands regularly and don't gather in large groups. Anyone who does not follow those simple rules is culpable. The reasons aren't that important, the behaviour is.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Also, are we to believe protesters never do anything else? They never go to bars/beaches/backyard bbq's/ parks/lakes, etc. like non-protesters? Pffft.

Yet, no upward blip that seems largely due to the protests, though, sure, protesters might be doing other things in other settings. So? In fact, in some places where there were large protests (e.g., NYC), there were no blips at all in the time frame where they would be expected if there was transmission connected to protests. How would you explain that, ilucy? Despite Ann's obsessive mockery without evidence, the protests themselves, overall, don't seem to have been a major factor.

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Ziemia(6a)

http://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-response-reporting#covid-19-daily-dashboard-

Click on "yesterday's" date. Here's part of the chart up through and including yesterday.

The top line is the 7-day rolling ave of infections.

The next one is about the number hospitalized. (3-day ave)

The bottom one with the gray '-90%) is a 3 day ave of deaths.

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Ziemia(6a)

SOME (modifier word) Trump supporters support or deny science as it suits their need.

And these will also pick and choose between the preliminary and in-depth conclusions.

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bob_cville

>Miami is having a terrible time right now with cases and the mayor (a
Republican) thinks the protests certainly could have been a main cause.

However the doctors and epidemiologists have actual data that shows that to not be the case. So that facts show that the mayor (a Republican) who thinks and believes and imagines the protests are a main cause is wrong.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Notice the pattern:


Protestors and Democrats care about other people, believe in science, wear masks, and don't get COVID.

Party-goers and Republicans only care about themselves, deny science, refuse to wear masks, and get COVID.

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lurker111

lol^^^

Most of these new outbreaks can probably be traced to the riots. Community spread from the pandemic protestors. Kids at a bar? I'm sure they brought it from the riots. Perfect age. Party at the lake...Again, most likely spread from the riots. It really is funny to watch the crats try to spin their way out of it.

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Joaniepoanie

lurker

Most of these new outbreaks can probably be traced to the riots. Community spread from the pandemic protestors. Kids at a bar? I'm sure they brought it from the riots. Perfect age. Party at the lake...Again, most likely spread from the riots. It really is funny to watch the crats try to spin their way out of it.

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Lol! Time to delete posts?


Protesters are not responsible for Covid spread. Even DeSantis and health officials in Texas say it’s not the protests. Even Fox. And the Colorado Sun reported the protests may have slowed spread because more people stayed home. No doubt when kids return to school and the infection spreads you’ll be saying “rioters” brought it to the schools. Give it up. Wishing doesn’t make it so.


https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/george-floyd-protests-coronavirus-surge-dallas-11923439


https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/npr/2020/06/25/883017035/parties-not-protests-are-causing-spikes-in-coronavirus/


https://www.fox13news.com/news/large-protests-not-responsible-for-rise-in-floridas-covid-19-cases-state-health-experts-say


https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#525bc2757dac


https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-lives-matter-protests-did-not-cause-an-uptick-in-covid-19-cases


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-haven-t-led-covid-19-spikes-n1232045


https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html


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