roger stone's prison sentence commuted by trump

Annie Deighnaugh

Yeah, right...the law & order president who lets felons off the hook.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506859-trump-commutes-roger-stones-sentence


witness tampering, 7 counts of obstruction of justice and making false statements to Congress...

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zmith

As expected. Trump using his power to help his friends.

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kadefol

Swamp dwellers.

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Kathy

That’s the Trump double standard of law and order.

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Nana H

Barr said it was a righteous prosecution and he was happy with the conviction..and Trump is the law and order guy. Give me a break and pass the koolaid.

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Joaniepoanie

Tear gas for peaceful protesters.

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zmith

I expect more of the same from Trump and Barr before the election.

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leona_2008

Wonder why he didn't pardon him? Barr afraid of the backlash?

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bfox254

Is anyone surprised? Trump surrounds himself with criminals.

My concern for the election is that Trump will get his cronies to do all sorts of illegal things with the promise of a pardon if they get caught. He's already learned he can do just about anything with no consequences.

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Nana H

No wonder a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans prefer Biden in terms of law and order than Trump. Trump's version of law and order applies to "them" not him and his.

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KennsWoods

Correct me if I'm wrong, but accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. I don't remember if Stone copped a plea or was found guilty.

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bfox254

They'll spin it as part of the Russian hoax. Wait for it.

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bfox254

Stone was convicted by a jury of his peers. He'll be joining Trump's campaign next week. There's absolutely nothing to stop him or anyone else from doing Trump's dirty work going forward. This can't be what our founding fathers envisioned.

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sheesh(5b)

I think Trump's advisors were worried that a full pardon would look worse than a commuted sentence to the voters, hence the commuted sentence so no jail time for Stone. Look for a full pardon after the election, when there is nothing anyone can do about it.

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Izzy Mn(4)

I really am dreading the time from when he loses the election until Biden is sworn in. It's going to be a scary time.

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leona_2008

Howard Fineman says Stone told him he didn't want a pardon which "implies guilt" but a commutation.
https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1281738020929056775?s=20

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heri_cles

Izzy:

Don't worry. There will be a large contingent of protestors outside the WH gate chanting "Get out of our House, Get out of our House, Get out of our House!"

Trump better watch what he does from now on let alone after he is defeated in the election or there will be a comeuppance, the likes of which no one has ever seen before.

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patriciae_gw(07)

Commuted, no admission of guilt. How kind to your criminal friends.

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Annie Deighnaugh

No admission of guilt, but the convictions stay on the books. He's been convicted on all counts...he just does no time.

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Annie Deighnaugh

The concern is the flip side...as any mob boss does...getting your friends off who stay loyal to you is one thing...pursuing and punishing anyone who speaks against you is another.

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Joaniepoanie

Lawrence O: trump is more protective of stone than he is of the nation’s children ordering they go back to school.

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Bothell

Memo to convicted criminals. Just let bunker boy know & in return for unwavering support of the criminal in chief, he'll take care of it for you.

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Kathy

The NO law and No order Presidency.

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Marigold

Margo, do you think commuting his sentence was just?

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queenmargo

Sure, why not. When I see all the crazy going on with the lefts cancel culture, I say good for Stone.

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Marigold

ok, thanks

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queenmargo

anytime;)

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patriciae_gw(07)

Rule of law canceled. So who is pushing cancel culture? Margo?

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queenmargo

LOL

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Annie Deighnaugh

Howard Fineman interviewed stone and quoted him as saying:

“I had 29 or 30 conversations with Trump during the campaign period,” he reminded me. “He knows I was under enormous pressure to turn on him. It would have eased my situation considerably. But I didn’t. They wanted me to play Judas. I refused.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/10/roger-stone-is-saved/

In other words, stone never revealed all he knew about trump's criminal activity during the campaign, and for that he was rewarded. So there's much more that went on than we know. This is perhaps the most damning statement stone has made against trump.

What we know was that stone was the agent between trump and wikileaks and informed trump of when more DNC emails, stolen by the russian government, would be released.

From the now unredacted portions of the Mueller report that related to stone's case, here's what we learned...

Namely: Trump had direct knowledge of Roger Stone’s outreach to WikiLeaks, according to multiple witnesses interviewed by Mueller. He encouraged that outreach and asked his campaign chairman to pursue it further, those witnesses said. And Mueller’s office appears to have strongly suspected, without putting it in so many words, that Trump lied to the special counsel in his written answers to Mueller’s questions about the Stone affair.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/whats-new-unredacted-mueller-report

We've got a crook in power letting off another crook for staying loyal to him even though he was facing 40 months in jail for witness tampering, obstruction of justice and lying to Congress.

trump may not read his PDBs but he certainly learned from his mobster buddies.



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lurker111

Good deal. Every single one of the crats lies to congress on a daily basis.

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HU-274840647

Oh boy, so that’s the defence.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

If the Criminal-In-Chief thought he'd be re-elected he'd have waited until Nov. 4.

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HU-274840647

After the Stone trial wher Barr influenced the length of the sentence, the judge said that Stone was not guilty of protecting the president but covering for him, there is difference. But no worries the orange man has his back quid pro quo.

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Iris GW

Interesting:

Here's a breakdown of 12 baseless claims from the White House statement.

STATEMENT FROM THE PRESS SECRETARY REGARDING EXECUTIVE GRANT OF CLEMENCY FOR ROGER STONE, JR.

"Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Grant of Clemency commuting the unjust sentence of Roger Stone, Jr. Roger Stone is a victim of the Russia Hoax that the Left and its allies in the media perpetuated for years in an attempt to undermine the Trump Presidency."

  • The Russia investigation was not a hoax, and it did not originate from Democrats or the media. The investigation began in July 2016 after the FBI received a tip about potential coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The FBI director at the time was James Comey, a Republican.
  • Later, after Trump fired Comey in May 2017, the Trump-appointed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller as special counsel to continue the investigation. Rosenstein and Mueller are both Republicans. The Justice Department inspector general said the probe was legally opened in 2016.

"There was never any collusion between the Trump Campaign, or the Trump Administration, with Russia. Such collusion was never anything other than a fantasy of partisans unable to accept the result of the 2016 election. The collusion delusion spawned endless and farcical investigations, conducted at great taxpayer expense, looking for evidence that did not exist."

  • Mueller's final report did not conclude that there "was never any collusion." Collusion is not a legal term. Mueller investigated whether any Trump associates criminally conspired with Russians regarding the election. Mueller said the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
  • The investigation did unearth dozens of contacts between Trump campaign associates and Russians, even though Trump repeatedly denied to the public that there was any communication before the election.

"As it became clear that these witch hunts would never bear fruit, the Special Counsel's Office resorted to process-based charges leveled at high-profile people in an attempt to manufacture the false impression of criminality lurking below the surface. These charges were the product of recklessness borne of frustration and malice."

  • There is no proof whatsoever that Mueller's team brought charges because they were biased against Trump or had "malice" against his aides. Several federal judges ruled that the indictments Mueller's team brought against Trump's associates -- including Stone -- were legal and constitutional.

"This is why the out-of-control Mueller prosecutors, desperate for splashy headlines to compensate for a failed investigation, set their sights on Mr. Stone."

  • Mueller's team was supervised by Rosenstein and later by acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker, and in its final months by Attorney General William Barr. If Mueller or any member of his team broke Justice Department rules, they could have been reassigned or terminated by Rosenstein, Whitaker or Barr.
  • Also, there's nothing in the public record to support the claim that Mueller's team "set their sights" on Stone in the late stages of the investigation. In fact, according to unsealed search warrants, Mueller obtained search warrants against Stone in summer 2017, months after taking over the investigation.

"Roger Stone is well known for his nearly 50 years of work as a consultant for high-profile Republican politicians, including President Ronald Reagan, Senator Bob Dole, and many others. He is also well known for his outspoken support for President Donald J. Trump and opposition to Hillary Clinton."

  • Stone's support for Trump was not the reason he was charged. At Stone's sentencing hearing, the judge said: "He was not convicted and is not being sentenced for exercising his First Amendment rights, his support of the President's campaign or his policies. He was not prosecuted, as some have complained, for standing up for the President. He was prosecuted for covering up for the President."


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Iris GW

"Mr. Stone was charged by the same prosecutors from the Mueller Investigation tasked with finding evidence of collusion with Russia. Because no such evidence exists, however, they could not charge him for any collusion-related crime. Instead, they charged him for his conduct during their investigation. The simple fact is that if the Special Counsel had not been pursuing an absolutely baseless investigation, Mr. Stone would not be facing time in prison."

  • Mueller's team was not only tasked with looking for potential Trump-Russia coordination. They were also authorized by Rosenstein to investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from that investigation." Stone's lies to Congress about his efforts to help the Trump campaign capitalize on Russian meddling in the 2016 election was an obvious and natural avenue for Mueller's investigates to pursue.
  • The argument that "Stone would be not facing time in prison" if it wasn't for an "absolutely baseless investigation" defies logic. First, the Russia investigation was determined by the Justice Department to be properly predicated. Second, if Stone hadn't lied to Congress, it's likely he wouldn't have been charged at all. Mueller investigated other facets of Stone's activities, but declined to bring charges.

"In addition to charging Mr. Stone with alleged crimes arising solely from their own improper investigation, the Mueller prosecutors also took pains to make a public and shameful spectacle of his arrest."

  • These crimes are not merely "alleged." Stone was convicted by a jury on seven counts. He is appealing his conviction and maintains his innocence. But the crimes are no longer mere "allegations" by prosecutors. Also, the commutation doesn't erase these convictions from Stone's record.

"Mr. Stone is a 67-year-old man, with numerous medical conditions, who had never been convicted of another crime. But rather than allow him to surrender himself, they used dozens of FBI agents with automatic weapons and tactical equipment, armored vehicles, and an amphibious unit to execute a pre-dawn raid of his home, where he was with his wife of many years. Notably, CNN cameras were present to broadcast these events live to the world, even though they swore they were not notified—it was just a coincidence that they were tlere together with the FBI early in the morning."

  • Trump, Stone and their allies in right-wing media have repeatedly promoted the conspiracy theory that Mueller's team leaked information about Stone's arrest to CNN. This is not true.
  • Mueller's team produced documentation to the court that CNN was not tipped off, and CNN's own reporting on its decision-making showed that stakeout at Stone's home was based on a hunch. The lead prosecutor on the Stone case later testified under oath to Congress that Mueller's team was not leaking to the media.

"Not only was Mr. Stone charged by overzealous prosecutors pursing a case that never should have existed, and arrested in an operation that never should have been approved, but there were also serious questions about the jury in the case. The forewoman of his jury, for example, concealed the fact that she is a member of the so-called liberal 'resistance' to the Trump Presidency. In now-deleted tweets, this activist-juror vividly and openly attacked President Trump and his supporters."

  • The judge rejected many of these arguments and ruled that there was no jury misconduct. Even after her ruling, Stone and Trump continued repeating the debunked claims that there was misconduct. In asking for a new trial, Stone made many of these same points about alleged bias but the judge rebuffed him.
  • Also, it's a stretch to describe Mueller's team as "overzealous prosecutors." They showed tremendous deference to Trump, allowing him to submit written testimony, declining to subpoena him for a deposition, and adhering to Justice Department guidelines that he cannot be indicted as president, even though that is not settled law. They also investigated, but declined to prosecute, Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. for soliciting political dirt from Russians at the controversial Trump Tower meeting.

"Mr. Stone would be put at serious medical risk in prison."

  • The judge in this case questioned this claim when Stone made it earlier this month, trying to delay the prison sentence. Stone's lawyers filed a motion saying that he has serious medical conditions, but the judge said their filing "does not identify any medical condition or conditions or contain any private medical information."
  • She noted that there is not a large coronavirus outbreak fat the federal prison in Georgia where Stone was supposed to serve his sentence. A federal appeals court upheld that ruling on Friday, clearing the way for Stone to report to prison. Trump's commutation shields Stone from prison.

"He has appealed his conviction and is seeking a new trial. He maintains his innocence and has stated that he expects to be fully exonerated by the justice system. Mr. Stone, like every American, deserves a fair trial and every opportunity to vindicate himself before the courts."

  • The judge already ruled that the trial was fair and there was no misconduct by the jury. Stone is appealing his case and has raised many of the same issues about the jury in his filings with the appeals panel.

"The President does not wish to interfere with his efforts to do so. At this time, however, and particularly in light of the egregious facts and circumstances surrounding his unfair prosecution, arrest, and trial, the President has determined to commute his sentence. Roger Stone has already suffered greatly. He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man!"

  1. Even Barr has said that this was a "righteous" prosecution and that the punishment he received, of 40 months in prison, "was fair."
  2. One of the career Justice Department prosecutors testified to Congress that Stone received special treatment because he was a close ally and supporter of the President. This testimony, from prosecutor Aaron Zelinsky, severely undercuts the claim that Stone was treated unfairly. Zelinsky quit the case in February after Barr intervened to water down the Justice Department's sentencing recommendation for Stone. The original recommendation followed routine guidelines and called for seven to nine years in prison.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/politics/fact-check-white-house-statement-roger-stone-commutation/index.html

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sheesh(5b)

I don't know, Thor. I really think this commutation is meant to keep Stone out of prison until trump pardons him after the election, whether Trump wins or loses. At that point it won't matter what the public outcry is about a pardon so trump will have free reign. Win or lose, Trump will be even more dangerous after the election than he is now.

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queenmargo

Funny, how different we see "danger" LOL

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sheesh(5b)

Interesting that some see authoritarianism as funny.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Today it's Stone, tomorrow it'll be Manafort, the day after tomorrow it will be Trump himself. Reward the rats who don't rat. It's the code of our Lawless & Disorder prez.

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lurker111

Every single crat that voted to impeach Trump voted on lies and conspiracy theories. They sat in front of America and made up one lie after another, under oath, in attempt to overthrow our government. They spied on Trump. They instructed the IC to give Trump false information. Everything they say is a 100% manufactured lie. What will their supporters do? They will delete this post (like the last one) and pretend that any old conspiracy theory is reality. Pathetic.

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bfox254

What difference does it make if he's pardoned or his sentence is commuted? The scumbag doesn't have to go to jail. That was the whole point. I wouldn't be any more or less disgusted if Trump pardoned him.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Well according to some news reports, stone didn't want a pardon as that would be an admission of guilt. Most likely he'll just go rejoin the campaign...

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leona_2008

Ahh, vgkg, Barr is working hard to fix that for trump so he doesn't have to bother with pardoning himself.

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Ziemia(6a)

Stone should be pardoned by the next president. Then Stone can be compelled to testify? Is that how it works?

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queenmargo

FYI:

Of the acts of clemency, 1715 were commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons. Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges, and had received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the war on drugs.

Stone is chump change compared to the ones Obama commuted and pardoned.

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steve2416

One more affront in a stream of them running back to the 60's!

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HU-274840647

I liked that move by Obama, I think it was proper use of presidential power

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Kathy

The difference most of Trump’s pardon are for his personal friends who either lied for him or he identifies with.


The 11 Criminals Granted Clemency by Trump Had One Thing in Common: Connections

The process bypassed the formal procedures used by past presidents and was driven instead by friendship, fame, personal empathy and a shared sense of persecution.

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Kathy

Comparing Trump to Obama is a losing proposition in every category.

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Ziemia(6a)

"if you’re pardoned, can you be compelled to testify about your crime?"

Yes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/02/if-youre-pardoned-can-you-be-compelled-to-testify-about-your-crime/

"the prospect of criminal liability disappears — whether because he has been granted adequate immunity by prosecutors, or because he has accepted a presidential pardon — then the privilege against self-incrimination also disappears."

But one can refuse a pardon.



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Kathy

Now it’s making sense. 𝐒𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐞 doesn't have to testify.

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HU-274840647

Stone goes free Voordman forced to retire — explain

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Annie Deighnaugh

Ah! Click! Another piece falls into place. Of course a pardon could force stone to testify...but a commutation? Nope.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

"Stone goes free Voordman forced to retire — explain"

Col Vindman?

Easy, cover up trump's wrongdoing - get a favor.

Expose trump's wrongdoing - get revenge.

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soupgirl53

Most Presidents do not have friends and members of their administrations that have engaged in criminal acts and could use a pardon.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Col Vindman (like his Dad & brother) had dreamed the American dream of truth, justice, and the American Way of fairness.....they underestimated trump's aim at turning that dream into a nightmare.

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barncatz

I'm not actually sure that's true, soupgirl. Wish it was.

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HU-274840647

Thanks for the correction vgkg

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Embothrium(Sunset Climate Zone 5, USDA Hardiness Zone 8)

Cue theme from The Godfather.

Thing is Trump has been this way all along and it didn't stop him from eventually bringing Trump Co into the Oval Office. So why would anything be different after he leaves? No lasting consequences no matter how flagrant the behavior has been his experience up to this point, why would he change now (or after leaving office)?

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Kathy

It definitely has shone a light on the depth of corruptness in the GOP.

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Iris GW

It definitely has shone a light on the depth of corruptness in the GOP.

I expect it to be featured in campaign ads.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Well there was that teflon don, john gotti, but he was convicted in the end after one of his guys turned on him...could be the same for trump...

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Kathy

Barr says he advised Trump not to commute 𝐒𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐞. Stone might be a wild card. We will soon see.

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barncatz

And here we are, living in the failing Taj Mahal USA, hoping we're alive to vote straight blue in November and that if we do, Billy Barr, Trump and Mitch will even notice.


Stone served as the liaison between the Trump campaign and Wikileaks, the website that Russian intelligence used to release stolen Democratic Party emails to help Trump win the presidency. Stone refused to testify about what he knew; he perjured himself and obstructed justice to protect the president. And now Trump has rewarded him for his silence. The quid pro quo is blindingly obvious. Not even Nixon during Watergate dared to pardon his co-conspirators or commute their sentences. That Trump has done so secures his unrivaled place in the annals of presidential infamy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/11/worst-president-ever-keeps-getting-worse/

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Kathy

Mueller made a statement about Stone is still a felon. That’s a first from Mueller.

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batyabeth

"Not even Nixon during Watergate dared to pardon his
co-conspirators or commute their sentences. That Trump has done so
secures his unrivaled place in the annals of presidential infamy."

Shines a particular light on things, doesn't it?

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soupgirl53

Just another reason not to re_elect Donald Trump.

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Joaniepoanie

From Twitter:

“From Barr's confirmation hearing: “Q: Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” Barr: “No, that would be a crime.”

Corruption in plain sight—-they don’t even try to hide it anymore.


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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

“From Barr's confirmation hearing: “Q: Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” Barr: “No, that would be a crime.”

Barr's "out" and trump's too - it wasn't a pardon, just a commutation, so trump is just half guilty of a crime. He's does a lot of things just half @ss for a prez who's 100%.

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mrskjun(9)

"Obama also commuted the sentence of convicted terrorist Oscar Lopez Rivera. Lopez Rivera was a leader of the Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña (FALN), a Puerto Rican terrorist group responsible for 130 attacks in the United States, and at least six deaths. An unrepentant Lopez-Rivera was serving a 70-year sentence when Obama set him free."

"Barack Obama commuted the sentence of Bradley Manning (you may also know him as Chelsea), who leaked hundreds of thousands of sensitive documents to WikiLeaks. A traitor in every sense, in 2013 Manning was convicted and sentenced to 35 years in prison. But, Bradley Manning became a hero of the political left for declaring himself to be transgender, and Obama made his controversial commutation days before leaving office.

Obama commuted over 1700 sentences and Trump 11. The hypocrisy continues.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2019/11/17/obama-granted-clemency-to-terrorists-and-traitors-but-were-supposed-to-be-angry-at-trumps-n70484

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heri_cles

How many were his buddies that lied to the FBI to cover for him ?

The Hypocrisy belongs to Statesman Trump.

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Kathy

Did Obama commute anyone that had evidence his involvement in a crime ?

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HU-274840647

You are comparing compassion to corruption mrskjun apples to oranges.

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mrskjun(9)

Compassion for a murderer and a traitor HU? Bizarre!

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HU-274840647

1700 and you pick one, bizarrely

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socks(10a)

Stone blackmailed Donny.

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sheesh(5b)

Stone blackmailed Donny.

He sure did, socks!

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Kathy

Yep, whatever 𝐒𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐞 knows is serious enough that Trump wants him to keep it secret.

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cait1

Bill pardoned Marc Rich - NYT op-ed called it

An Indefensible Pardon

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/24/opinion/an-indefensible-pardon.html

https://archive.is/t1rHp


Bill also pardoned a TERRORIST!!!

If Trump surpasses FDR's number, maybe I'll care.




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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I guess it's not over yet for Stone. Judge Amy Berman Jackson wants a copy of Trump's executive order commuting Roger Stone's sentence by tomorrow. They apparently forgot to file it.


WASHINGTON (CN) — Uncertainty over the get-out-of-jail-free card handed to Roger Stone spurred a federal judge on Monday to demand answers.

Saying it was the U.S. Probation Office that first raised such concerns, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson this morning requested a copy of President Donald Trump’s executive order that commuted his longtime ally’s 40 month sentence on Friday.

Seeking confirmation about the scope of the commutation, Jackson instructed both the government and Stone to address whether the order applies to the prison sentence alone or also to the period of parole.


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batyabeth

they forgot to file it? Whatta bunch of keystone kops, these big fancy suits who are so slapdash and sloppy they'll forget to file an executive order to the actual judge before they tweet it out. Oh wait, tweeting is now a form of acceptable policy making and the new way to announce.......anything. With or without paperwork!

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Yep. They're clowns.

Although presidents have broad authority to commute prison sentences and issue pardons, the brief order from Jackson — who presided over Stone’s trial last year — made clear that the judge still is seeking information and clarity about the clemency, including the actual executive order from the White House.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

The judge doesn't need any clarity, she knows the reason. She just wants to see how cleverly the trump lawyers put it in writing.

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HU-274840647

That is where we are at vgkg it is like reality show, let’s see if he can ace this.

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paprikash

Without double standards, the democrats would have NO standards.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

So ironic.

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Annie Deighnaugh

pj media??

  • Overall, we rate PJ Media to be Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies as well as numerous failed fact checks.


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HU-274840647

Anyone who thinks Trump is unfit for office is a Democrat, obviously.

i watched Scaramucci on a video where he is defending his ex boss against racism ., no, he said Trump is an ahold but he is not a racist, well okay then.

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Izzy Mn(4)

The headline says it all.

"Trump's clemency for Roger Stone is an admission of the president's guilt in Russia probe"

I wonder if Stone talks about writing a book and/or starts going on a world wide tour talking about his experiences will trump try to rescind his commuted sentence? I wonder if there is a Nondisclosure attached to his commuted sentence signed and witnessed? How illegal would that be?


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/14/russia-mueller-probe-investigation-donald-trump-roger-stone-column/5429789002/

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I don't think Stone is out of the woods yet. He committed other crimes but has not been charged yet.

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