guirlande d'amour rose Vs MAC. Which one would you recommend Please?
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Comments (12)Momof2, Good luck! Let me offer a little hope, I have found in my 3-4 years of growing old, antique roses that they are in a league of their own, honestly! They for some reason seem to be really strong and healthy. What I mean is that given time they will more than likely knock your socks off. Be patient however, if you grow ownroot roses as opposed to grafted roses, they might take a bit longer to get going. Rule of thumb is give them 3 years. Each year they should get better and better. The older and more established they become the heathier they will be. If you feed your soil, and provide water they should just do great. I am located in Memphis, TN and I am zone 7 to 7b. This is my experience, I feel like your zone should be somewhat similiar. I can't say my roses are complete perfection, they have issues sometimes, but overall they are really healthy. I do not spray for I have children, dogs, and I don't want to hurt the birds, bees, etc etc. Have fun and good luck. I think your going to be happy! Jenn (it really is an addiction!)...See MoreGuirlande d'Amoure and Darlow's Enigma
Comments (10)Thanks for the complements folks - it's a fun area and pretty easy maintenance as compared to the HT/flori roses in other locations. Katyajini, the bushes in the front like GdA get at least some direct sun daily but not the baking hot sun I get on the south side of the house. This bed faces north so there are fairly limited times for direct sun. The filtered sun seems to be sufficient for the HMusk roses to keep up some regular blooming, though the climbing varieties out of the way on the left side of the photo would be happier in particular with more sun. As for if the root competition has restricted their growth, it's like asking if prematurity stunted the growth of my teenage twins - at 5'11" for my daughter and 6'2" for my son, they're already tall and robust enough that it's not an issue. DE and GdA are some of the bigger and more regularly blooming roses among the 1000 or so I have, so I can't tell if they would be yet bigger and more regularly blooming with more sun. Like you I needed to fill a part sun area with something in addition to hydrangeas and other shade perennials, so I picked these roses to suit that location. DE never gets even the supplemental water that the front of of this bed gets in dry weather and it hasn't stunted his growth either, so when I have a survivor rose like that I put it in a survivor location to take advantage of its strengths. Vap, your plan sounds fabulous, and I'm honored to be among the inspirations for what I'm sure will be a lovely wild hill. I have recently planted Applejack just off to the left of this photo on the fence, and Mrs. Anthony Waterer around the other side of the house in mostly shade. They seem to be nicely hardy and are still settling in their second year. I used to have EVS at the center front of that photo till GdA totally ate it for lunch over a couple of years. I also had Danae, Prosperity, and Marjorie Fair planted to the left side of the photo but they didn't survive my zone 5 winters in this spot. They'll probably survive fine for you in zone 6, but they might not cascade as much as in yet another zone warmer. I'm impressed that La Belle Sultane and Madame Plantier would be hardy for you as I haven't even tried those in my zone. The species roses sound like a terrific addition and I'll look forward to seeing your wild pictures of that area. No, MAC wouldn't in my wildest dreams be something I'd recommend as a freestanding rose. Working around MAC is like trying to change the bedsheets around a teenager who refuses to get up on the weekends and takes up all the available space and then some along the way, just rolling reluctantly out of the way with a lot of prodding (ask me how I know...and why they change their OWN sheets). I have MAC tucked up by the bay window against the south side of my house and she drapes herself over a series of peony support rings next to the house so she doesn't obliterate the entire rest of that fussy-pants rose bed. She's like a toddler that finds it irresistible to poke her arms and legs into everything her neighbors are doing, and it takes a whip and chair (or peony support and bungee cords) to keep her in her own extensive horizontal space, more or less. I can't imagine her standing upright without supports, so she's 3' high and 12'+ wide draped over all creation. Let's see - what other HMs and OGRs do I have in those beds? The other monster next to GdA is Heavenly Pink and it's a similar hardy repeat blooming survivor that's huge and low maintenance. Wilhelm I already mentioned, and the sport Will Scarlet looks to be equally good though still young. Other surviving HMs (in addition to some that died mentioned above) include: Cornelia and Felicia, but they're a pale imitation of what they can do in warmer zones and they just put out a few flowers here and there. Nur Mahal is around the corner in mostly shade but it's upright and trouble free and blooms off and on all season. Robin Hood (if that's his ID - came as a mystery RV rose) is another HUGE freestanding shrub in even more shaded conditions at the neighbors' but he only blooms much once for me. Here's Nur Mahal - the flowers are larger and a little more crimson than Wilhelm, but the bush isn't as tall: This is only a fraction of the size Robin Hood is now in mostly shade - he's now the size of a mid-size car (not a compact) if given the space to claim: I've tried multiple polys in this spot and Ave Maria is the only one that liked the dry conditions and part shade and cold winters. Eutin (poly) and Enfant de France (HP) do fine but don't bloom a ton around the east side corner in mostly shade. Several HPs seem to have settled in nicely and bloom mostly in spring - Comtesse d'Oxford, Duchesse d'Orleans, Francois Arago, Madame de Stael, Paul Verdier, Rembrandt, all have been reasonably hardy for a couple of years. Sydonie is the best of the bunch and so far the only one that repeats much to speak of once or twice. Other Portland, Bourbon or moss that do OK here include: Indigo, Mme Dore, Mme Platz, Marbree, Paul Ricault, Mme Dubost, and Soupert et Notting. Stanwell Perpetual is still trying to establish itself. The two biggest so far are Marbree and Paul Ricault, but again I don't get any repeat and many of the others are pruned to the ground. The Bishop climbs well and is coming into the fourth year where I should get some nice spring bloom though no repeat. For climbers, Applejack is a great bet, as is Frau Eva Schubert and Awakening - the latter is really coming into its own and will probably be my best climber on that shaded fence. Laguna is also good though it would prefer more sun, and Mme Bovary, Louise Odier, and Larry Daniels (sport of Grandmother's Hat) put out blooms off and on in the season. For YEARS Ghislaine de Feligonde didn't do much of anything but it finally had a reasonable flush this year. No repeat yet though. Here's a picture of those in a good year with even GdF showing itself for a change in the small white flowers right of center (the fence doesn't usually look this good): Shrubs also take this location well. Bonica is pretty happy, as is Caldwell Pink. Smiling Jean isn't available that I'm aware of but it is pretty constantly blooming bright coral all season. Lady Elsie May does the same and is more readily available. Here are photos of these, first Smiling Jean, then LEM: LEM A lot of the Austins or Kordes shrubs can take part sun, and I have in these spots or the East side zone 4 pocket: Heritage, Earth Angel, Teasing Georgia, Queen of Sweden, Hannah Gordon, Elmshorn, Soul Sister, La Perla, Lone Star, The Shepherdess, Red Riding Hood, Carding Mill, Lady of Shalott, Polar Express, Bliss Parfuma, and several of the Vigorosa Kordes roses. I'd happily recommend any of the Morden series, OSO Easy, Drift or Easy Elegance roses that are the bulk of the color punch in the north or east side beds that are cold and part sun at best. The Canadians also do well in part sun and you know I'm particularly excited about Felix LeClerc who's at the far right end of this bed. Canadian Shield is also impressing the socks off me in the east bed with a ton of true red flowers (not crimson), as is Cape Diamond with pretty much nonstop pink ones. A lot of the Bucks also seem happy enough in these circumstances, including Applejack that you mentioned as well as Folksinger, Freckles, Malaguena, Pearlie Mae, Prairie Sunrise, Prairie Harvest, and Rosenstadt Zweibrucken. A fervent honorable mention goes to Elizabeth of Goshen if you can find it, since it's a surprisingly hardy and robust reblooming LAVENDER shrub that can take shade (only Poseidon and Lavender Veranda are in its class for hardy lavender rebloomers).Hope this helps visualize this. No rose is probably as happy in shade as in full sun unless you have a really hot zone, but these do surprisingly well all things considered. Cynthia...See MoreWhich David Austin rose would look best?
Comments (37)Get a rose you're in love with.... if you're having a whole hedge of it, then you've got to love it.. ...my choice here would be without question..... 'Scarborough Fair'.. in that colour range.... I'm near the sea and it withstands the elements.... it blooms constantly, in poor soil, drought conditions and heat - such as we get it here on occasions... 3.5 tall by 4 foot wide... no issues... it should be better known really.... not double, but semi double... musk scented with hips in winter.. I think it's good for zone 5... I took this photo in blazing 100 deg .. which I don't get too much.. ...this is a late evening pic... just before dark... ...you will get that I totally love this rose... of course no one else has to like it.. but... ...hope you find something you like just as much.......See MoreBest Rose: Jeanne Lajoie vs Mortimer Sackler vs James Galway
Comments (21)If black spot is an issue for you in zone 6a, I strongly recommend that your climber(s) should be none of your three named possibilities. Austins are not known for black spot resistance except for Olivia Rose and possibly one or two others. That's not too good in light of there being well over 100+ Austins that have been commercially introduced. My many Austins trialed over the past years were all black spotters. As soon as I decide this spring which roses are going to get shovel pruned, I hope to finally put in at least one Olivia Rose. This goal is long overdue, then our Kristine LeGault's strong recommendation of OR to me will be accomplished. Thanks Kristine! I only grew Jeannie Lajoie of the three you are eyeing, and then, that was many years ago. For me its flower was mini, but the bush was quite substantial...not by any means mini in stature. 12' basal canes were the rule. The basically barely scented, light pink bloom itself is 1.5", heavily petaled, high centered, and the bush's spring flush was spectacularly lavish here, to the point where the foliage was almost completely obscured by flowers. However, repeat blooming was sparse, never improving over the years. One JL could easily cover a 8-10' section of 4' high fence, planted on center, and given about 5 yrs. to do it. A bush at either base of your trellis would do the job. When my two bushes were finally dug out due to their annoyingly poor repeat bloom, and need of regular spraying for black spot, the crowns were a foot across! Ah yes, JL is a black spot magnet, just about 2/3 defoliating by mid-summer if not regularly fungicide sprayed. At least, that was my experience, and the same for all who grow JL around here. Do yourself a favor and go black spot resistant. Take a good hard look at Quicksilver, almost the perfect climber, which laughs at black spot. Moses...See Morefig_insanity Z7b E TN
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