Russia offered Bounties to Afghan Militants to kill US Troops

jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I wonder if this was before or after Trump made the pitch for Pootie to come back to the G8. Is the thrill gone between them?

An operation to incentivize the killing of American and other NATO troops would be a significant and provocative escalation of what American and Afghan officials have said is Russian support for the Taliban, and it would be the first time the Russian spy unit was known to have orchestrated attacks on Western troops.

Any involvement with the Taliban that resulted in the deaths of American troops would also be a huge escalation of Russia’s so-called hybrid war against the United States, a strategy of destabilizing adversaries through a combination of such tactics as cyberattacks, the spread of fake news and covert and deniable military operations.

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

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anitamo(5)

They don't know what to do??? Deliberating for months? Don't we have the greatest military in the world? Trump says so. But Putin wouldn't like it if trump retaliates.

I can imagine the conversation between trump and Putin would be the same one they had on stage in Helsinki. Putin denies it, puppet believes him.

Those poor soldiers defending our country with the most incompetent, corrupt CIC ever!


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dandyfopp

The world saw Donnies face in Helsinki.

He is working, but it isn't for America.


Good boy.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I find it very hard to believe that they have been deliberating months over what to do. Perhaps they were planning to do nothing and then this story broke.

By the way, Trump made his announcement about wanting Putin back in the G7 on May 30, so he knew at that time that Putin wanted to kill US soldiers.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Perhaps they were planning to do nothing and then this story broke.

Seems to be Trump's go-to strategy lately -- ignore it and hope to goes away.

Didn't work with Covid-19, but he's still willing to try it again.

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Izzy Mn(4)

Tried to read article with incognito but won't let me.

Has there been any comment about this from the White House administration? That's really crazy bad. I guess a reporter will have to catch him on the way to a rally.

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dandyfopp

Here you go Izzy.


Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html

  • June 26, 2020Updated 4:35 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan — including targeting American troops — amid the peace talks to end the long-running war there, according to officials briefed on the matter.

The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year.

Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money, the officials said. Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which killings were under suspicion.

The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said.


An operation to incentivize the killing of American and other NATO troops would be a significant and provocative escalation of what American and Afghan officials have said is Russian support for the Taliban, and it would be the first time the Russian spy unit was known to have orchestrated attacks on Western troops.

Any involvement with the Taliban that resulted in the deaths of American troops would also be a huge escalation of Russia’s so-called hybrid war against the United States, a strategy of destabilizing adversaries through a combination of such tactics as cyberattacks, the spread of fake news and covert and deniable military operations.


The Kremlin had not been made aware of the accusations, said Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. “If someone makes them, we’ll respond,” Mr. Peskov said. A Taliban spokesman did not respond to messages seeking comment.

Spokespeople at the National Security Council, the Pentagon, the State Department and the C.I.A. declined to comment.

The officials familiar with the intelligence did not explain the White House delay in deciding how to respond to the intelligence about Russia.


While some of his closest advisers, like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have counseled more hawkish policies toward Russia, Mr. Trump has adopted an accommodating stance toward Moscow.

At a summit in 2018 in Helsinki, Finland, Mr. Trump strongly suggested that he believed Mr. Putin’s denial that the Kremlin interfered in the 2016 presidential election, despite broad agreement within the American intelligence establishment that it did. Mr. Trump criticized a bill imposing sanctions on Russia when he signed it into law after Congress passed it by veto-proof majorities. And he has repeatedly made statements that undermined the NATO alliance as a bulwark against Russian aggression in Europe.

The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the delicate intelligence and internal deliberations. They said the intelligence had been treated as a closely held secret, but the administration expanded briefings about it this week — including sharing information about it with the British government, whose forces are among those said to have been targeted.


The intelligence assessment is said to be based at least in part on interrogations of captured Afghan militants and criminals. The officials did not describe the mechanics of the Russian operation, such as how targets were picked or how money changed hands. It is also not clear whether Russian operatives had deployed inside Afghanistan or met with their Taliban counterparts elsewhere.

The revelations came into focus inside the Trump administration at a delicate and distracted time. Although officials collected the intelligence earlier in the year, the interagency meeting at the White House took place as the coronavirus pandemic was becoming a crisis and parts of the country were shutting down.

Moreover, as Mr. Trump seeks re-election in November, he wants to strike a peace deal with the Taliban to end the Afghanistan war.

Both American and Afghan officials have previously accused Russia of providing small arms and other support to the Taliban that amounts to destabilizing activity, although Russian government officials have dismissed such claims as “idle gossip” and baseless.

“We share some interests with Russia in Afghanistan, and clearly they’re acting to undermine our interests as well,” Gen. John W. Nicholson Jr., the commander of American forces in Afghanistan at the time, said in a 2018 interview with the BBC.

Though coalition troops suffered a spate of combat casualties last summer and early fall, only a few have since been killed. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement.

American troops have also sharply reduced their movement outside military bases because of the coronavirus, reducing their exposure to attack.

While officials were said to be confident about the intelligence that Russian operatives offered and paid bounties to Afghan militants for killing Americans, they have greater uncertainty about how high in the Russian government the covert operation was authorized and what its aim may be.

Some officials have theorized that the Russians may be seeking revenge on NATO forces for a 2018 battle in Syria in which the American military killed several hundred pro-Syrian forces, including numerous Russian mercenaries, as they advanced on an American outpost. Officials have also suggested that the Russians may have been trying to derail peace talks to keep the United States bogged down in Afghanistan. But the motivation remains murky.

The officials briefed on the matter said the government had assessed the operation to be the handiwork of Unit 29155, an arm of Russia’s military intelligence agency, known widely as the G.R.U. The unit is linked to the March 2018 nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury, England, of Sergei Skripal, a former G.R.U. officer who had worked for British intelligence and then defected, and his daughter.


Western intelligence officials say the unit, which has operated for more than a decade, has been charged by the Kremlin with carrying out a campaign to destabilize the West through subversion, sabotage and assassination. In addition to the 2018 poisoning, the unit was behind an attempted coup in Montenegro in 2016 and the poisoning of an arms manufacturer in Bulgaria a year earlier.

American intelligence officials say the G.R.U. was at the center of Moscow’s covert efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. In the months before that election, American officials say, two G.R.U. cyberunits, known as 26165 and 74455, hacked into Democratic Party servers and then used WikiLeaks to publish embarrassing internal communications.

In part because those efforts were aimed at helping tilt the election in Mr. Trump’s favor, his handling of issues related to Russia and Mr. Putin has come under particular scrutiny. The special counsel investigation found that the Trump campaign welcomed Russia’s intervention and expected to benefit from it, but found insufficient evidence to establish that his associates had engaged in any criminal conspiracy with Moscow.

Operations involving Unit 29155 tend to be much more violent than those involving the cyberunits. Its officers are often decorated military veterans with years of service, in some cases dating to the Soviet Union’s failed war in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Never before has the unit been accused of orchestrating attacks on Western soldiers, but officials briefed on its operations say it has been active in Afghanistan for many years.

Though Russia declared the Taliban a terrorist organization in 2003, relations between them have been warming in recent years. Taliban officials have traveled to Moscow for peace talks with other prominent Afghans, including the former president, Hamid Karzai. The talks have excluded representatives from the current Afghan government as well as anyone from the United States, and at times they have seemed to work at crosscurrents with American efforts to bring an end to the conflict.

The disclosure comes at a time when Mr. Trump has said he would invite Mr. Putin to an expanded meeting of the Group of 7 nations, but tensions between American and Russian militaries are running high.


In several recent episodes, in international territory and airspace from off the coast of Alaska to the Black and Mediterranean Seas, combat planes from each country have scrambled to intercept military aircraft from the other.

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ohiomom

This is a democratic Hoax just like Covid19 is a democratic hoax ... there is no Covid, people are being paid to be on ventilators, ICU's and dead.

President Tweety was asked about this today, he did not respond. Waiting on a phone call from his Puttie.

And if there is a response we will have to wait for his fan club to tell us "what he meant" or "he was joking" or "what bout' Obama" or "pick a distraction"

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dandyfopp

Well the GOP will cower and swear they haven't seen it, the fans will excuse it away and chug the dew.


What will the military and military families have to say?

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

You would think the president would at minimum lodge some kind of objection to this news instead of dithering for months.

And now his friend Pootie might get to be president for another fifteen years. Trumpy is probably jealous and wants to same deal.

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soupgirl53

Donnie may lose the military vote if he doesn't have a good explanation of what action/s he took after learning about the Russian bounty payments.

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numbersjunkie

This should be the most active thread on this forum right now, but look at the posts getting all the action instead. Gaslighting?

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bob_cville

> While some of his closest advisers, like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,
have counseled more hawkish policies toward Russia, Mr. Trump has
adopted an accommodating stance toward Moscow.

I think this:
Mr. Trump has adopted an accommodating stance toward Moscow.

is a polite way of saying Trump is Putin's butt-kissing errand boy.

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linaria_gw(zone 7 (about))

again I like Beau for his comment on this one


the nutshell-version: they did not even try to deny it, just stuck to some technical details...




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Annie Deighnaugh

Just more proof positive that putin *owns* trump.

trump's known about this since March. His response?

Offer to get putin back in the G-7 and pull troops out of Germany.

Outrageous.

I'd love to see how the trumplicans justify this one.

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lurker111

NYtimes? Do you have a real source?

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Iris GW

Russia - isn't that Trump's BFF? Hmmm ...

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Annie Deighnaugh

Why should we expect any different? From children in cages and separated from their families, to children dying in school shootings, to 3,000+ dead Americans from hurricanes and earth quakes in Puerto Rico, to now 125,000 dead Americans from a virus -- why on earth would we expect him to care about russia paying to have US soldiers murdered?

Oh he'll mobilize troops to gas and terrorize peaceful protesters for a 2 minute photo op for himself, but for our troops? For any other Americans? As long as it doesn't affect him, he's fine with it.

Remember, he doesn't want any testing...except for himself.

I've never been so disgusted.

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Annie Deighnaugh

lurker, would the murdoch owned wall st journal be more acceptable?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-spy-unit-paid-taliban-to-attack-americans-u-s-intelligence-says-11593214584?mod=hp_lead_pos6

WASHINGTON—A Russian spy unit paid members of Afghanistan’s Taliban movement to conduct lethal attacks on U.S. troops in that country, according to a classified American intelligence assessment, people familiar with the report said.

The assessment of the role played by Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, in fostering attacks on American soldiers, comes as President Trump is pushing the Pentagon to withdraw a significant portion of U.S. forces from Afghanistan and as U.S. diplomats try to forge a peace accord involving the Taliban and the U.S.-backed Afghan government.

The intelligence assessment regarding Russia’s actions in Afghanistan was delivered to the White House earlier this spring, and until recently had been known only to a handful of officials, a person familiar with it said. ....

At issue is a secretive unit of the GRU that, according to Western officials, has conducted sometimes clandestine lethal operations against Moscow’s adversaries. The same unit, they said, was responsible for thepoisoning in the U.K. of Sergei Skripal, a former GRU officer who defected to Britain, and his daughter. Russia has denied involvement.

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Kitchenwitch111

At least Putin didn’t tear down Confederate statues. Then there’d be a problem!

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ohiomom

trump's known about this since March. His response?

The same one he gave Covid19 which he knew about months in advance, NOTHING ... he is the do nothing prez of the do nothing party.

But his foot soldiers are busy filling up social media with stories about the skeery black man coming to get you and yours. Oh they pretend they are not talking bout' black people by using cutesy (to them) phrases, but no one is fooled by that.

March on tweety soldiers, march on ... ignore that cliff up ahead.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I feel as if there is really something going on that maybe we don't know about between the US and Russia. I just saw this headline:

F-22s intercept Russian military aircraft off Alaskan coast for fifth time this month

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Annie Deighnaugh

Yikes, jerzeegirl! January 2021 can't come soon enough!

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I know - it's frightening And with Putin ensuring he will remain the leader of Russia for another 15 years, I think we need someone really strong to deal with this threat. Anyone who grew up during the cold war (except Trump apparently) knows that Russia is not our friend. They are for world domination and it looks like Putin found his useful idiot to start making his move.

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dandyfopp

This should be the most active thread on this forum right now, but look at the posts getting all the action instead. Gaslighting?


Name changes and monuments are more worrying than Donnie selling out this country and letting our service persons be hunted by Russia.

Ya'll think Russia is gonna sit the election out and risk losing the free ride?

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lurker111

NYtimes? Do you have a real source?

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A real source? Like a hot tub company blog?

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Stars Inthesky

So utterly despicable of loser trump to sell out our military. He will literally do anything to stay in power, including treason.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

How would Fox, Lindsey Graham, and the GOP react if any other President knew for months that Russia was paying bounties on our troops, did literally nothing about it, praised Russia, invited Putin back to the G-7, and used our military for campaign photo ops?

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soupgirl53

I suspect this story will gain legs once the weekend is over. Every member of the Congress should have an interest in protecting our soldiers and that will require asking President Trump to advise them on what steps he has taken in response to this news. This gives the Trump administration a few days to act if it hasn't or cook up a story if Donnie us too scared to stand up to Putin.


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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Putin probably gives trump a commission for ignoring these things, plus a building permit for trump tower/moscow once he's out of office.

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dandyfopp

128,000 Americans dead.

Putin picking off American soldiers.

Time for some golf.


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dandyfopp

What else could Putin have on his wish list?



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HU-274840647

At the time talks of sorts were going on between the US and the Taliban, and the killings disrupted that. So what if this bounty hunting was cooked up by those who didn’t want the talks to succeed but didn’t want their names on it. You can google what these talks were about and judge who you think was against it

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Gizmo

Well, when can we expect the Republicans to start having their countless Benghazi err Putin Killing US troops hearings?

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Stars Inthesky

And when can we expect a comment from trump? Must be too busy playing golf or getting his hair done

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Nana H

Trump has already said that when it comes to Russia, and lots of other things, he doesn't believe his intelligence agencies. No doubt he was briefed and no doubt he ignored it.

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adoptedbyhounds

The article claims officials didn't explain "the White House delay" in figuring out how to respond.

Keeping in mind that the NYT has long been a willing recipient and publisher of leaks from disloyal government insiders, I'm going to assume the NYT may have little or no basis for claiming any such thing. It didn't offer any evidence for why the claimed "delay" was to be believed.

The attacks have subsided. The NYT doesn't say why. Maybe it's just a coincidence.

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bfox254

I haven't seen a lot of reporting on this yet. Other major news outlets must be trying to confirm the story. I imagine the white house is in panic mode trying to figure out how to spin this. If true, Trump just lost the military vote.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Keeping in mind that the NYT has long been a willing recipient and publisher of leaks from disloyal government insiders

Regardless of whether this is true or not, it doesn't mean that leaked information isn't TRUE information.

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Annie Deighnaugh

...leaks from disloyal government insiders...

Disloyal? No. *Loyal* to the Constitution. Disloyal maybe to the corrupt actor who holds the office of CIC. But not disloyal to America and its people.

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bfox254

I'm starting to see a lot more reporting on this.

The white house is saying that Pence and Trump weren't briefed on the matter, but did not deny that the allegation that Russia paid a bounty for dead US soldiers. It's very difficult to believe they weren't briefed on such a serious matter. If they weren't, that means intel is being kept from the president and he is no longer acting as commander in chief.

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soupgirl53

The Wall Street Journal has provided reporting with respect to this matter too so that should put an end to the NY Times bashing.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

There is no way Trump wasn't briefed. His staff is lying because they know this will be the end of Trump's presidency if the truth came out. Favoring Putin over the country troops is a crime that Trump could never recover from. The question for me is why would anyone lie for this treacherous man?

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Annie Deighnaugh

Considering trump doesn't read the briefings and rarely attends the meetings, and even when he does, he doesn't pay attention and misses a lot of stuff, it is *very* plausible that he didn't hear it, or he was too busy watching fox news that day.

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Iris GW

Kudos to the MSM for getting this story out there and forcing the White House to deal with informing the American public how Trump handled it.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

From Stephanie Ruhle at MSNBC

“This will grow into a GIANT STORY. Leaks and whistleblowers lining up.”

I already read that the information was in the president's daily briefing.

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deegw

Step one - deny and deflect on social media.


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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Denial won't work on this one.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Yes Thor, and distraction won't either.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Gotta love trump's tweet:

  • everybody's denying it: uh no, they're not.
  • there have not been many attacks on us: is that like there have not been many covid deaths? 15 and it's going to disappear?

And of course this is classic trump...not his fault because no one briefed him. Even at that, what does it say when the NYT and the WSJ know more about what's going on in his administration and with US intelligence than he does?

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HU-274840647

He didn’t say it wasn’t true only that he didn’t know about it. Is a fact not a fact if you don’t know about it?

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Annie Deighnaugh

Is a fact not a fact if you don’t know about it?

Not in trump world apparently....


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Toby

How many GOP Congressmen will continue to stand behind his incompetence? The report was at the very least in his daily briefing, which he CANNOT read and understand. Bolton said other presidents receive a daily oral briefing but that Trump receives them once, maybe twice a week. We also know from Bolton that he sees everything through the lens of how it can help or hurt his reelection. This is SOP for Trump, even when military lives are on the line.

“While the White House does not routinely comment on alleged
intelligence or internal deliberations, the C.I.A. director, national
security adviser and the chief of staff can all confirm that neither the
president nor the vice president were briefed on the alleged Russian
bounty intelligence,” the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany,
said in a statement Saturday afternoon, about 25 hours after the
article was posted on The Times’s website.

About six hours later on Saturday night,
the director of national intelligence, John Ratcliffe, issued a
statement echoing the White House’s assertion that Mr. Trump had not
been briefed on the intelligence finding.

But
one American official had told The Times that the intelligence finding
that the Russians had offered and paid bounties to Afghan militants and
criminals had been briefed at the highest levels of the White House.

Another said it was included in the
President’s Daily Brief, a written document which draws from spywork to
make analytic predictions about longstanding adversaries, unfolding
plots and emerging crises around the world. The briefing document is
given to the president to read and they serve as the basis for oral
briefings to him several times a week.

Asked
on Saturday evening how the president could not have known about the
report if it had been in his daily brief, a National Security Council
spokesman did not immediately respond.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/us/politics/trump-russia-bounties-afghanistan.html

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soupgirl53

This is going to end badly for Trump.

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Annie Deighnaugh

When it's your job to know and you don't know, it's a failure.

When it's your job to know and you do know and you do nothing, it's a failure.

When you lie about what you know and what you don't know, it's a failure.

trump is a loser and a failure.


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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

This story was just more bad news for trump, he ignores bad news for the sole sake of his re-election. He's not that complicated, he's not complicated at all, putin knows him all too well.

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bfox254

Now that he does know, why is he tweeting videos of village idiots instead of expressing outrage over Russia's bounty scheme?

This story isn't going away anytime soon. Almost impossible to believe Trump wasn't aware of the intelligence.

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Iris GW

Worst president in modern times, maybe EVER.

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Annie Deighnaugh

I'd go with EVER...I don't think we've ever had such a treasonous president who puts himself and russia ahead of our nation. I can't wait til he's out of office and he's a citizen again who will have to face the consequences of his actions...I want the truth about him, his finances, russia and putin to all come out.


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bfox254

Next up, Trump denies the Russian bounty plot despite the assessment of his intelligence community. Haven't we seen this show before?

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Iris GW

The Biden ads just write themselves, Trump has given them so much material.

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Iris GW

By the way, has Trump announced what he's doing about it 'now' that he knows?

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socks(10a)

It's been known since he was elected that briefings bore him. It's hard for him to think about such things.

Yeah, we revel in the Biden and Lincoln project ads, but are the people who need the info seeing them?

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numbersjunkie

"128,000 Americans dead.

Putin picking off American soldiers.

Time for some golf."

Maybe he's just going to let the individual states handle it?

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HU-274840647

Trump dong badly

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

"By the way, has Trump announced what he's doing about it 'now' that he knows?"

What trump is doing about it is hoping that this story gets buried by other events of the day or by one of his diversions he is presently thinking up. Maybe he was thinking that his "white power" tweet would push it back to page 3? But he won't respond about it until forced too, right now it's "Nobody told me". That won't buy him much mileage, maybe he'll blame China, or Bolton? He'll find some sorry scapegoat, he always does.

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studio10001

Get me an executive order to sign, and call the press in!

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Iris GW

Exactly, vgkg

He (and his supporters) hope this will just go away.

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bfox254

He's trying to find a way to pin this on Obama

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soupgirl53

I don't think this story will die given the fact it involves the safety of US soldiers. The Sec of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff should demand answers and if they are not provided, then the Congress, both Houses, should launch a joint investigation. What did Trump know, when did he know and what has he done in response to this matter.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

In March trump was briefed that Russians were paying Afghans to murder US troops.

He also fired the Director of National Intelligence and gutted the national counterterrorism center in March.

Oh, and for the first time since 2006, the Director of National Intelligence threat report was kept from the public & congress. In March.

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soupgirl53

Very interesting, Thor. All the more reason to open up a Congressional investigation ASAP.

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Toby

Trump will announce that he asked Putin and Putin gave a "strong" denial. Case closed.

DH, former military, said that CIC Trump has committed a dereliction of duty.

From Wiki:

A service member who is derelict has willfully refused to perform his
duties (or follow a given order) or has incapacitated himself in such a
way that he cannot perform his duties.

I'd say Trump has incapacitated himself, even though he was never capacitated in the first place.

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maddie260

Here we go again! Another Russian hoax! Putin is just laughing.

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Pool User

But,

Benghazi!!

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Annie Deighnaugh

And there they go...investigate the truth tellers...don't deal with the facts of the case. Right out of the trump playbook.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I just heard on TV that some soldiers were killed because of this "program".


From the NYT:


United States intelligence officers and Special Operations forces in Afghanistan alerted their superiors as early as January to a suspected Russian plot to pay bounties to the Taliban to kill American troops in Afghanistan, according to officials briefed on the matter. They believed at least one U.S. troop death was the result of the bounties, two of the officials said.

The crucial information that led the spies and commandos to focus on the bounties included the recovery of a large amount of American cash from a raid on a Taliban outpost that prompted suspicions. Interrogations of captured militants and criminals played a central role in making the intelligence community confident in its assessment that the Russians had offered and paid bounties in 2019, another official has said.

Armed with this information, military and intelligence officials have been reviewing American and other coalition combat casualties over the past 18 months to determine whether any were victims of the plot. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement to end the long-running war in Afghanistan.

The details added to the picture of the classified intelligence assessment, which The New York Times reported Friday has been under discussion inside the Trump administration since at least March, and emerged as the White House confronted a growing chorus of criticism on Sunday over its apparent failure to authorize a response to Russia.

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Nana H

Too bad McCain is no longer with us. All hell would break loose! He was the only one not terrified of Trump.

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HU-274840647

What a historical mess, Madam Clinton helped creat al Qeada to drive the Russians out of Afghanistan, Bush sends troops in there to get the leader of al Qeada 19 years later we are colluding with Russia against ourselves

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soupgirl53

If the GOP members of the House and the Senate want to wrap themselves in the flag and claim they support our troops, they need to be just as curious as their Democratic counterparts to ask the Trump administration what they knew, when they knew it and what they have done.

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Nana H

Now the party line is that there were intelligence reports but there were conflicting opinions within the intelligence community so the CIC was not briefed.

Horse pucky!!!

This type of info would most certainly be shared with the CIC even with the caveats. The intelligence community thought it credible enough to share with GB but not their own CIC ? Got it!

He was either briefed and did nothing or didn't read the briefings because he can't be bothered with that " stuff " or the new intelligence guy, his pal, knew it would annoy him so kept it from him.

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dandyfopp


One thing about Donnie.

When he has been shamed or threatened it is written all over his face.


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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I read that he gets very upset when he is briefed about "bad things" about Russia.

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Nana H

Perhaps someone from the Intelligence community will come forward as a whistle blower. Oh wait . Trump fired the internal investigator after the Ukraine thing. Well maybe the National Security Advisor who was fired will come forward.

I can't imagine Congress and the DOD letting this one go if it has any legs at all.

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Kathy

Either Trump forgot, he is lying, or they didn’t brief him because he gets irate. No matter which it is he is incompetent as a POTUS. He is a threat to our troops and to the security of our country.

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Iris GW

Americans first? Apparently not. Need an investigation on who dismissed this.

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Kathy

Who thinks Trump is working overtime to figure out who leaked this?

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jmm1837

"Madam Clinton helped creat al Qeada to drive the Russians out of Afghanistan"


Interesting. She was First Lady of Arkansas at the time. Who knew Arkansas had such geopolitical inflence.

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HU-274840647

I got that wrong jmm but I didn’t think anyone noticed.

lets just say the US created al. Queda ( still not right is it ?)

My point was that we have a history of meddling

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jmm1837

I thought the Saudis created it, but I wont argue. Yes, the US has a long history of meddling, often without understanding the country its meddling with well enough to gauge the long term consequences. Of course they're not the only country - the Russians have been pretty active too. In fact its all beginning to remind me of historic "spheres of influence" with the great powers carving up the world into areas where they would dominate with the tacit agreement of the other powers. The US, China and Russia are pretty much operating that way now. Which perhaps explains why Trump is buddy-buddy with Putin and Xi.

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Intelligence on Russian bounty plot was included in the President's Daily Brief earlier this year, source says


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/29/politics/russia-bounties-presidential-daily-briefing/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent

Updated 7:19 PM EDT, Mon June 29, 2020


(CNN) The intelligence that assessed there was an effort by a Russian military intelligence unit to pay the Taliban to kill US soldiers was included in one of President Donald Trump's daily briefings on intelligence matters sometime in the spring, according to a US official with direct knowledge of the latest information.

That assessment, the source said, was backed up by "several pieces of information" that supported the view that there was an effort by the Russian intelligence unit -- the GRU -- to pay bounties to kill US soldiers,including interrogation of Taliban detainees and electronic eavesdropping. The source said there was some other information that did not corroborate this view but said, nonetheless, '"This was a big deal. When it's about US troops you go after it 100%, with everything you got."

Trump is not known to fully or regularly read the President's Daily Brief, something that is well-known within the White House.

The information was serious enough the National Security Council staff held a meeting during the spring to discuss "possible response options," including sanctions, if the intelligence developed to the point it was deemed ready to take to the President for any possible action, the official said.

Pressed on Monday whether the information was included in the President's Daily Brief -- the written document that includes the intelligence community's more important and urgent information -- White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said only that Trump "was not personally briefed."

The US intelligence community and military are investigating to see if there is further corroboration, and if the National Security Council staff can recommend response options. The source said the White House is now claiming the leak will ruin the opportunity to get a real answer.

There is "no consensus within the intelligence community" about whether Russia offered to pay bounties to the Taliban for killing American troops, McEnany said. There is "dissent" within the intelligence community about the intelligence, which she insisted had not reached Trump's desk because "it wasn't verified."

The source tells CNN that intelligence of this nature with risk to US troops should be assumed to be true until you know otherwise.

This is a breaking story and will be updated.

CNN's Kaitlan Collins contributed to this report.

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Iris GW

What did he know and when did he know it?

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I wish Obama would tweet that same message back to Trump - but he won't because he is too polite.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

WTH?

WASHINGTON (AP) -- AP sources: White House was aware of intelligence on Russian bounties on US troops in 2019.

https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1

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maifleur03

Beyond being polite Obama knows that Trump would use any excuse to have him arrested. Speaking out about Trump is to his followers treason so no matter what it would be Trump would have Obama arrested with a long wait before any trial.

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dandyfopp

Donnie has blood on his hands.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

Remember when we questioned whether it is ethical and legal to kill a member of a foreign government on the territory of a third nation? We were called traitors and terrorist sympathizers.

Yet here is solid evidence that Donald John Trump knew about a foreign government paying insurgents to kill American troops within the territory of a nation with which we are attempting to forge peace and not only does he do nothing to try and stop that, he actively *rewards* that government with lifted sanctions and coveted benefits.

Who is the traitor? Who is actively allowing terrorists to harm United States soldiers, men and women whom he swore to protect?

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

He very likely does have blood on his hands. There is an ongoing investigation about the deaths of three soldiers who they think were killed because of this bounty scheme. If this can be shown, it will make Benghazi look like kid's stuff. In Trump's case we are talking treason

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bob_cville

Does anyone know what the penalty for treason is?

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lurker111

The DNC committed treason when they impeached the president for manufactured conspiracy theories. That's just one example. Once again, the crats blame Trump for something they did.

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lurker111

CNN? You guys have to be joking. Your sources are pathetic. Even if it is true, Trump isn't responsible for anything Putin does with the Taliban. This is why the crats should never be allowed to see classified information. They can't be trusted with it, and will try to spin it into something it's not. Conspiracy theories from paranoid schizophrenics. We've had enough.

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HU-274840647

Do you think by just saying it out loud gives it any credibility when it sounds like deranged ranting ?

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foodonastump

Even if it is true, Trump isn't responsible for anything Putin does with the Taliban.


Did you hear that, Gold Star families? Not Trump’s responsibility.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

The Associated Press first reported that the intelligence community was examining the deaths of the three Marine reservists: Staff Sgt. Christopher Slutman, 43, of Newark, Del.; Cpl. Robert A. Hendriks, 25, of Locust Valley, N.Y.; and Sgt. Benjamin S. Hines, 31, of York, Pa.

They were killed near Bagram Air Base when a vehicle laden with explosives hit their truck, wounding an Afghan contractor as well. The huge blast set fire to the truck, engulfing those inside in flames, while their fellow Marines tried to extricate them, a defense official said. A brief firefight ensued.

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Nana H

"Even if it is true, Trump isn't responsible for anything Putin does with the Taliban."

According to Trump , he isn't responsible for anything so that works.

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ubro(2a)

Trump isn't responsible for what Putin does with the Taliban but he is responsible for the safety of US troops and it is his responsibility to support those troops when they become a target.

He is supposed to clearly demonstrate that the US has their backs and he is supposed to take action against a country that targets them in this manner.

There are multiple ways to show Russia behaviour like this will not be tolerated and ignoring it, hoping no one will find out, is not one of them.

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lurker111

From the other thread...

Who has a plane full of US dollars? Iran. Thanks obama. Who has been attacking Americans? Iran.

Is there a reason why Putin paid the Taliban in US dollars? Doesn't make any sense to me.

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lurker111

No reason to give the crats anything. They imagine such nonsense. Russia, Russia, Russia! Get real!

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dandyfopp

I think this is a yes on the pizza gate question from the other thread.

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Kathy

Who is Trump working for? Us or Putin? This is serious, serious news.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Who is Trump working for? Us or Putin?

Neither, trump is working only for trump.........Some of Us and putin are helping him out.

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lurker111

Trump is working for the American people. Get out of the way.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

trump is killing the American people by his self centered incompetence, time for him to get out of the way.

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Annie Deighnaugh

I don't think trump is working at all...he tweets and rages and golfs, but he can't even be bothered to read intelligence briefings? Listen to the videos he's reposting? No...the guy is not working at all...even the staff can't reach him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-golfing-aides-struggled-to-contact-delete-white-power-video-2020-6



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dandyfopp

Slipped Donnies mind that his pal Putin is paying to have our people murdered?





https://twitter.com/JohnAvlon/status/1277935817567211522

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

What? trump can't remember everything? Not even Putin offering bounties on our troops? Brilliant excuse Sen Cornyn, just admit he's an Unstable Non-genius

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bfox254

Quite a few people are going to get out of his way, including supporters, when they die as a result of his incompetence. 120,000+++

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

“...get out of his way.”

1. Or what?

2. How am I in his way?

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lurker111

Thanks. ^^^ :^)

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Kind of an important thing to forget.

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bfox254

Makes me wonder what other important information is in his daily briefs that he hasn't read

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lurker111

Office of the DNI

@ODNIgov

·Jun 27

Statement by DNI Ratcliffe: "I have confirmed that neither the President nor the Vice President were ever briefed on any intelligence alleged by the New York Times in its reporting yesterday."

lolol

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HU-274840647

What makes this worrying is that, true or false, knowing what we do of Trump, Pompeo and Putin’s gang it does seem likely.

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lurker111

Everything you think you know is left wing propaganda.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

lurker111

2 minutes ago

Everything you think you know is left wing propaganda.

———

So you say. Any evidence beyond the word of Trump?

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Kathy

I believe Ratcliffe replaced coats in July. This happened in Jan 2019.

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ubro(2a)

Statement by DNI Ratcliffe: "I have confirmed that neither the President nor the Vice President were ever briefed on any intelligence alleged by the New York Times in its reporting yesterday.

Wait a bit, the message will change shortly.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Breaking News: The U.S. intercepted financial transfer data that bolstered suspicions about Russian bounties on American troops in Afghanistan, officials say.


American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia’s military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account, which was among the evidence that supported their conclusion that Russia covertly offered bounties for killing U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

Though the United States has accused Russia of providing general support to the Taliban before, analysts concluded from other intelligence that the transfers were most likely part of a bounty program that detainees described during interrogations. Investigators also identified by name numerous Afghans in a network linked to the suspected Russian operation, the officials said — including, two of them added, a man believed to have served as an intermediary for distributing some of the funds and who is now thought to be in Russia.

The intercepts bolstered the findings gleaned from the interrogations, helping reduce an earlier disagreement among intelligence analysts and agencies over the reliability of the detainees. The disclosures further undercut White House officials’ claim that the intelligence was too uncertain to brief President Trump. In fact, the information was provided to him in his daily written brief in late February, two officials have said.



Link

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lurker111

Yep, confirmed by the Pentagon...Fake news.

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mrskjun(9)

Here we go again. Russia Russia Russia, and Pencil Neck Liar Schiff ran right to the microphone to speak to the ten people who believe he could find the truth with both hands. DOD says this is totally unverified and it should make you wonder why the NYT ran with the story before finding out it was true.

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Iris GW

Your lack of concern for the safety of our troops is duly noted, mrskjun.

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Kathy

Trump trusts Putin over US intelligence.

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lurker111

No wonder the NY Times is hidden behind a members wall. You have to join the club. lolol

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lurker111

This will weed out another leaker. Good deal. :^)

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

make you wonder why the NYT ran with the story before finding out it was true.

Because they have excellent sources that have been verified and some of them are military. That's how journalism works.

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maifleur03

I do not have access to it but if anyone does they might want to look at the article/s in the Military Times.

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lurker111

NY Tabloid.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Former national security adviser John Bolton told colleagues that he personally briefed President Donald Trump about intelligence that Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill American troops, U.S. officials told the Associated Press.

Bolton briefed Trump on the matter in March of 2019, according to the report, a year earlier than previously reported by The New York Times. The information was also included in at least one presidential Daily Brief, according to the AP, CNN and The Times. The AP earlier reported that it was also included in a second presidential Daily Brief earlier this year and that current national security adviser Robert O'Brien discussed the matter with Trump. Source: Salon

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bfox254

Trump enablers should consider the possibility that the reported information was thoroughly vetted and we are being lied to by the administration. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.

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ubro(2a)

I would click on your link lurker but it is not clear who it is linked to.

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patriciae_gw(07)

So here is how this is not working.

Our president has to deal with Russia and their machinations pretty much every day and even a rumor of such a possibility is something a normal President would want and demand to know. Because a President would not want some policy that they could not conveniently back out of put into play that was supportive of Russia and have such a thing come out. Like backing Russia to get back into the G-7 for instance. A normal president is capable of understanding you don't have confirmation but....Even George W perhaps through his brain the VP would have expected to know and would raise holy hell that they did not.

Have any heads rolled since this came out? No. Trump doesn't appear to be outraged he wasn't told this.

We pay this guy $400,000 a year to read his intel. It is his job. If his staff was letting him talk policy with Putin without knowing this information then they deserve to be fired. It doesn't actually matter if it is true or not. He should know about something this serious. He should be making judgements about what IS known.

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mrskjun(9)

LOL, journalists at the NYT.....now that is funny!

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Kathy

It is Trump’s job to corroborate intel on his PDB. Obviously he was more concerned with pleasing Putin than holding him accountable.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Let's be really clear that from the get go, trump didn't pay attention to daily briefs....this from a Dec 2016 thread: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/4329640/trump-i-dont-need-daily-intel-briefings-because-im-a-smart-person#n=39

TRUMP: I DON’T NEED DAILY INTEL BRIEFINGS BECAUSE I’M A ‘SMART PERSON’

President-elect Donald Trump said in an interview airing Sunday that he doesn’t need to receive a daily intelligence briefing, stating he only gets the briefing when he needs it.

“I don’t have to be told ― you know, I’m, like, a smart person. I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day,” Trump said in an interview airing on “Fox News Sunday.” “I don’t need to be told ... the same thing every day, every morning ― same words. ‘Sir, nothing has changed. Let’s go over it again.’ I don’t need that.”

Trump is reportedly only receiving an intelligence briefing just once a week. The president-elect said the people who are giving him the briefings are “very good people” and that he was always available if something changed. He also said that Vice President-elect Mike Pence was receiving the briefings.

Bush ignored his PDBs, and we ended up with the attack on 9/11/01

Looks like we are headed for trouble, again, under another "republican" President

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Annie Deighnaugh

Michael Moore was very prescient in his assessment of what a trump presidency would be like and what it means to have a president who won't even bother to attend his daily briefings....

https://occupydemocrats.com/2016/12/14/michael-moore-just-went-viral-explaining-trump-gonna-get-us-killed/\

From Dec 14 2016:

Most would agree the #1 job of the leader of any country is to keep its people safe. There is no more important meeting every day for the President than the one where he learns what the day’s potential threats are to the country. That Trump would find it too cumbersome or too annoying to have to sit through 20 minutes of listening to his top intelligence people tell him who’s trying to kill us today, simply boggles the mind.

Of course, our minds have been so boggled so many times in the past year by this foolish man no one seems that surprised or concerned. He can get up at 5 in the morning and send angry, childish tweets about how he’s being portrayed on SNL (“Not funny! Unwatchable!”), or belittling the local elected union leader in Indiana, but he doesn’t have time to hear about the threats to our national security.

So, my fellow Americans, when the next terrorist attack happens — and it will happen, we all know that — and after the tragedy is over, amidst the death and destruction that might have been prevented, you will see Donald Trump acting quickly to blame everyone but himself. He will suspend constitutional rights. He will round up anyone he deems a threat. He will declare war, and his Republican Congress will back him.

And no one will remember that he wasn’t paying attention to the growing threat. Wasn’t attending the daily national security briefings. Was playing golf instead or meeting with celebrities or staying up til 3am tweeting about how unfair CNN is. He said he didn’t need to be briefed. “You know, I think I’m smart. I don’t need to hear the same thing over and over each day for eight years.” That’s what he told Fox News on December 11th when asked why he wasn’t attending the security briefings. Don’t forget that date and his hubris as we bury the dead next year.



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Annie Deighnaugh

Business Insider 5/21/2020:


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Embothrium(Sunset Climate Zone 5, USDA Hardiness Zone 8)

Due to him being a malignant narcissist Trump has a long history of undercutting those below him in the chain of command. This includes corporate officers, before he entered into his latest business venture - President of the United States. So bounties on mere soldiers deployed thousands of miles away aren't going to concern him in the least.

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paprikash

Love how the democrats start unsubstantiated rumors. National Security be damned — the idiot left has an election to “win” no matter what. What a disgusting party.

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Annie Deighnaugh

paprikash, I fixed it for you...and the evidence supports my version far better than yours:

Love how the republicans start unsubstantiated rumors. National Security be damned — the idiot right has an election to “win” no matter what. What a disgusting party.

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lurker111

Tabloid mentality. lol

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paprikash

I certainly don’t need any of my posts fixed by you, Annie, so please don’t rewrite my thoughts to reflect sick and incorrect hallucinations.

Between the phony dossier, the Russia hoax, the Ukraine hoax, the COVID lies, now the UNSUBSTANTIATED bounty stuff, etc., the democrats are showing themselves to be the weasels they really are. Good old Alinsky whom the dems must worship, “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” and “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon” — just two of the dem commandments. What good little foot soldiers many of you are. The dems love their sick and broken party more than our great country.

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deegw

I like this tweet.

so is it fake news, or you were never briefed, or you were finally briefed yesterday? pick one story and stick with it, bro, unlike your knucklehead worshipers, the rest of us can remember what you said yesterday and the day before that

His whole account is pretty funny. Bad word alert.

https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Between the phony dossier, the Russia hoax, the Ukraine hoax, the COVID lies, now the UNSUBSTANTIATED bounty stuff, etc.,

I wish I had a bubble to live it. If there is smoke there is fire...count on it.

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lurker111

Let's not forget about Barr. What a great way to show how crazy the left is...Just before an election. Another impeachment! Thank you. :^)

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lurker111

If there is smoke there is fire

Crazy crat conspiracy theories always fizzle out.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

TRE45ON
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Why is Trump so worried about the NYT bounty story today?
Because when *House Republicans* were briefed by the WH on Monday, the WH did NOT mention the intercepted data tracking financial transfers.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

putin would never lean over that far.

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dandyfopp

True, Donnie would be on his knees.


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barncatz

Repeating, with bolding, from jerzeegirl's NYTimes excerpt, because I thought this fact was worth noting.


Investigators also identified by name numerous Afghans in a network linked to the suspected Russian operation, the officials said — including, two of them added, a man believed to have served as an intermediary for distributing some of the funds and who is now thought to be in Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20200630&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=1028439&segment_id=32257&user_id=4404fdcba34a8c9de73dfc9e5117ec3d

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dandyfopp

Forgot The Military Times and NATO.. but the list is getting long so it is forgivable.





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barncatz

The card trumps all (ha!) for the true believers. Here's more fake Russia news they can ignore:


Off the coast of Alaska, Russian jets have been testing American air defenses, sending U.S. warplanes scrambling to intercept them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/us/politics/trump-putin-russia-taliban-bounty.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

ETA: dandyfopp, Trump's tweet makes me want to puke.

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dandyfopp

Nothing to see here ya'll, just the NSA telling us Donnie was briefed on a HOAX.

🤣



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Kathy

If it hadn’t leaked Trump would never address it. Someone thought more of American soldiers lives than Trump does. Trump refuses to confront Putin which allows Putin to keep ramping up his aggression. Why has Trump given Putin full complicity?

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Nana H

"If it hadn’t leaked Trump would never address it."

What makes you think he will now ? Has he ever addressed the terrorists attacks at the army base in Pensacola committed by SA nationalists ?

IMO they are being very careful to say that he wasn't "briefed" and stopping there. They have never said , at least to my recollection, that the information was in a written report given to him.

The man is not a leader except on an emotional level for some. They keep saying he has accomplished so much...I say like what? He has destroyed, cancelled, withdrawn ,abdicated responsibility and alienated Americas best allies.... but he has never led.

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Kathy

Nana, true. He won’t do anything about it except call it a hoax.

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Nana H

Kathy, it is quite amazing. Trump avoids dealing with anything he perceives as negative as a "hoax" and his loyalists always buy it. Yet the things he does grab onto and run with are in fact the "hoaxes" . Election fraud, mailing in voting, lawlessness taking over the country, foreigners coming to steal jobs....anything that divides and keeps the base well fed.

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Kitchenwitch111

He has destroyed, cancelled, withdrawn ,abdicated responsibility and alienated Americas best allies.... but he has never led.

Trump was elected by people who want him to destroy the federal Government, as in, "the government is the problem". It doesn't make much sense but they elect people who don't believe in the power and responsibility of government in charge of government.

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Kathy

I keep going back to Bannon. Trump was elected to destroy our institutions.

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dandyfopp

So in this version of their story would keeping the POTUS out of the loop be because he can't be bothered or is compromised? Which? Both?



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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

What they don't seem to understand is that there is NO good version of this story.

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Kathy

I have to think it was in PDB and he ignored it so they put it out to the coalition. He not only doesn’t pay attention because he isn’t interested, he uses it as an excuse to blame others for ineptness.

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HU-274840647

In international news the UK, who have had people poisoned by Russians within their own country, are reluctant to stand up to Putin. Trump goes a step further and takes Putin’s side, but why? What are we missing?

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Nana H

That is such a dereliction of his responsibility as CIC. The loyalists have to believe this is a hoax because if they let themselves believe it was true even they would be disconcerted by such a lack of concern for national security...so it MUST be a hoax, it HAS to be . They cannot let themselves think this to be true and stay loyal.

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Kathy

Hu I think it has to do with NATO and Trump causing a fractured alliance against Putin.

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HU-274840647

I see what you mean Kathy, if Trump has an alliance with Russia and the rest of NATO are outside or in opposition this could be very awkward. Trump seems to favor trade deals above any other foreign affairs so NATO may not figure in his plans.

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Kathy

Trump has pushed the boundaries so far with security he has reached the equivalent of shooting of someone on 5th Ave. His cult approves or complies.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Between the phony dossier, the Russia hoax, the Ukraine hoax, the COVID lies, now the UNSUBSTANTIATED bounty stuff, etc....

Aaron Blake at WaPo:

This is Trump’s M.O. Stories that are bad for him are never cast in shades of gray; they are always a hoax. The Russia investigation was a hoax, even though special counsel Robert S. Mueller III found significant evidence of obstruction of justice. Impeachment was a hoax, even though the underlying Ukraine allegations were overwhelmingly confirmed. Trump even rather awkwardly tried to cast the coronavirus as his opponents’ “new hoax.” Trump doesn’t quibble with the details. It’s just deny, deny, deny — even when it leads to misperceptions like it did with coronavirus.

And then I'd add that trump always follows up with a counterpunch against the truth tellers...investigate the FBI, fire the DNI, fire the attorneys, try to out the whistleblower, blame the democrats, hillary, obama, biden, ban the reporters, call it fake news, etc.

But what truly undoes his hoax business is that these claims are coming from people *within his administration*....not from the democrats. It's the people who are working for him, see directly what he's doing or not doing, and who are so appalled by it that they feel they have to speak up, even at risk of their careers.

We've seen this pattern so often. It's clear to the rest of us that trump is a serious national security problem; and, no matter what he does, his loyalists will never see it that way.

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jmm1837

OK, so we now have confirmation that the CIA briefed allies about the bounty, and has now briefed Trump himself in person. Therefore, the bounty is not a hoax. Now, does that raise any concerns among Trump supporters that allies knew but the C-i-C did not? And if not, why are you not concerned? And what say you, Trumpites? What should be his next step now that he unequivocally knows American lives are at stake? Perhaps rescind that invitation to the G7? Perhaps deny Putin the high profile buddy act with POTUS? Or is it fine for him to carry on just as if he still doesn't know?

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Annie Deighnaugh

jmm you make a great assumption that the trumplicans will buy CIA confirmation. Not clear to me that they would.

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Izzy Mn(4)

I'm sure trump has been told by Putin that they didn't do it. So case closed with trump. No need to investigate.

You may or not notice but I never refer to trump as the president. Now he also doesn't deserve a capital letter for his name.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Izzy, I've refused to capitalize his name for years...he's definitely lower case.


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cattyles

That’s just an excuse, though. There is no “deep state” that has it in for trump. The CIA Director was chosen by trump. (Replying to Annie’s comment three comments up).

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

So is Cult45 gaslighting or sealioning on this one?

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cattyles

jmm, they won’t respond.

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Joaniepoanie

What does putin have on trump, or what has he promised trump?

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paprikash

Nothing ^^

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Joaniepoanie

Why is he calling the bounties a hoax? Why does he constantly side with putin over his own intelligence?

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Kathy

Wait for the leaker to be punished. What happens when there are no more leakers?

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lurker111

Why does he constantly side with putin over his own intelligence?

^^^ That's just your imagination.

What happens when there are no more leakers?

National security.

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Kathy

Trump has sided with Putin again over our own National Intelligence by calling it a Hoax. Traitor.

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HU-274840647

These are reasonable questions not imaginary

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Joaniepoanie

So what is he saying, doing about the bounties? Absolutely nothin, huh!

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jmm1837

"What happens when there are no more leakers?


National security."


Tell that to the troops in Afghanistan. No leakers, no one knows of the bounty on them, no action by the President (not that I expect much action anyway). Or don't American forces count when it comes to national security?

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Annie Deighnaugh

I believe, as was speculated a long time ago, that the russian oligarchs signed trump's loans from DB...I believe I've seen it as high as $2B. I think that was the primary kompromat. I also think he was involved in laundering money for them, so they have criminal evidence on him as well. Since then, who knows? But the russians own him and his behavior has proved it time and again.

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paprikash

Speculated! LOL


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cait1

If right-wing conspiracy theorists wear tin foil hats what kind of foil hats do leftists wear?

'I believe speculation'.... HAHAHAHA

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ubro(2a)

What happens when there are no more leakers?

National security.

Leakers sometimes result when govt. employees see that the administration is ignoring serious issues and allowing citizens or the country come to harm.

Had Trump dealt fairly and honestly the last years the govt. workers left, who have a good moral compass, would not have the need to leak anything.

If this is true and Trump did act there would be no need to bring it to the attention of the public, if he did not it deserves to come out so the govt. can be held accountable.

Sometimes leakers save lives and pull down tyranical governments.

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Annie Deighnaugh

paprikash and cait...what is your problem?

It's far more honest to speculate -- form a theory without evidence -- and then look to see if evidence exists that supports that case, than it is to cling desperately to false beliefs despite significant evidence *to the contrary* as trumplicans have done from day one:

  • russian election interference is not a hoax
  • trump's obstruction of justice is not a hoax
  • trump's quid pro quo is not a hoax
  • the coronavirus is not a hoax
  • russian bounty is not a hoax
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Annie Deighnaugh

The story of trump being backed by russian oligarchs is not without any evidence...just not sufficient evidence at this point to make that a firm conclusion. But we have lots of arrows pointing in that direction.

We know that:

  • DB was lending money to trump when no other bank would touch him to the tune of $2B
  • DB was fined over $600 mil for laundering russian money
  • DB bank auditors flagged suspect transactions with trump as potential money laundering and were told to ignore it by the people running the bank
  • trump jr said major money was coming into their business from russia
  • trump sold an estate to a russian oligarch at a massive profit ...the same oligarch whose private plane was parked next to trump's at 2 different times at 2 remote airport locations during his campaign
  • russians were laundering money through the bank of cyprus which had on its board wilbur ross, the current Sec of Commerce
  • the former CEO of DB who was kicked out was hired by the bank of cyprus
  • trump servers had direct data links to the russian Alfa Bank which is the largest russian owned bank and essentially a branch of putin's
  • after trump was forced to pull that connection, was when erik prince went to work trying to establish a new secret back channel with the russians

So yeah, not enough evidence to prove criminal money laundering...and Mueller never investigated trump's finances and so far trump's business records subpoenaed by Congress has been bottled up in the courts so the hard evidence is still unavailable to us...but enough smoke to speculate a fire...especially given how desperate trump is and has been to prevent anyone from seeing those records...a clear consciousness of guilt.

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Annie Deighnaugh

NYT now reporting the price...up to $100,000 per soldier killed....

According to officials briefed on the matter, U.S. intelligence officials believe the program is run by Unit 29155, an arm of the Russian military intelligence agency known as the G.R.U. that has carried out assassinations and other operations overseas.....


Afghan officials said prizes of as much as $100,000 per killed soldier were offered for American and coalition targets.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/world/asia/afghan-russia-bounty-middleman.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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Izzy Mn(4)

Let's talk about how trumps allies are pointing the finger at Adam Schiff over the Russian bounty:

https://youtu.be/kYM0V3bIvgo

This guy is really sharp, with a down home way of explaining things.

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Izzy Mn(4)

Beau for President, or at least an advisor.

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Kathy

Trump will not confront Putin about putting a bounty on American soldiers. In fact he doubles down and invites him to G7 In effect as a reward. That is okay with Trumpers?

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Iris GW

This is not going away.

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