Totoro: Princesse CdM had a 2 foot tall cane in the middle of the bush after my zone 5 winter. I know that's UNPRODUCTIVE, so I chopped it short down to 1 foot like the rest of the bush. Last year that middle-cane was super tall. The secret is to prune that non-productive cane short, to encourage the more productive side-shoots to grow. Early spring I gave it high potassium & high calcium fertilizer (sulfate of potash NPK 0-0-50 and pebbles-water for calcium). Normally I do sulfate of potash and gypsum but we had too much acidic rain in spring and gypsum is too acidic. Princesse CdM gets VERY LOW nitrogen fertilizer (chicken manure at NPK 2-4-3). The 20 blooms per branch cluster on PCdM was taken at 90 F this June.

Straw - I'm also glad that you're posting again. I remember why you left though...you didn't have time for writing so many messages. You put your heart and soul into answering questions. I'd like you stay and not get overwhelmed time-wise. <3 I really want to get Bolero!!! Yay!! And Sweet Mademoiselle is one that I'm glad survived...it needs to pick up a bit more growth so it can survive winter. Good to know that it's slow to establish...so maybe it will get better. Your BR looks super healthy and very happy! Lovely blooms! Ooooh!!!! Liv Tyler is a rose that, to me, screams elegance and beauty. I have wanted one for a long time. Your 2nd picture is amazing!!! Your BW blooms are scrumptious!!! I used to grow BW...fragrance was great...but every single picture I took showed thrips damage...so I gave it away. Your BW blooms are clean! I don't think I've EVER seen Pink Peace look that fabulous!!!! Uber gorgeous!!! To me PP smells like fruit loops. :)

Flowers - those are wonderful descriptions...I got lost in your words! Too corny? LOL

Totoro - that's a great MW!!! mmmmm :)

Sunny - thanks for the commiseration! :) My SW has a long, long way to go....that's for sure!! But I sure hope it does bounce back. I'm terrible with describing fragrances. Citrusy tea sounds lovely! :)

Carol: I left since there's another poster with a dozen roses that got drunk in Organic rose forum and posted for competition. I post for truth and to share my mistakes so others don't make the same. I have compassion for cold-zoners who lose $$$ with roses dying through the winter. I lost plenty of money with roses dying through my zone 5. I admire poster like Cynthia (Nippstress of Nebraska, zone 5) who grew 992 varieties of roses, she posted with honesty, describing how English Austin roses shrunk in her loamy soil & drier climate, and which roses died on her. I hope that Cynthia continues to post, her posting helped me in choosing Lagerfeld, which is a tall grandiflora and survives my 3 winters.

Also Carol: I love all your postings. Your questions and support for others help me to search for the truth. The only reason why I came back is YOUR WONDERFUL humble & kind spirit that uplift others. Floweraremusic (Andrea) said the same, Houzz is worth posting only because of kind & uplifting people like Carol.

@totoro z7b Md your MW and hydrangea combination looks like heaven to me. So lovely 💚

@Kelly Tregaskis Collova thank you for sharing your beautiful rose pics. I just ordered Quietness for a spring planting. I’m excited!

Straw - wow...that's pretty humbling and wonderful to hear. Thank you so much! I really appreciate you too!

Kelly I love seeing someone else with Lady Ashe. I bet it ends up being a favorite for you. I have 3, and think maybe I'd be happier, if I just planted more of them. That one is about at good as Belinda's Dream, as far as black spot. (gets on old leaves sometimes, I don't bother spraying it)

Lady Ashe is a sport of Aloha. I have Aloha from Roses Unlimited. It's a blooming machine, even in only 4 hours of evening sun. It lasts long on the bush & in the vase with thick petals. The scent is light apple. See Aloha (middle pink) bloom and its large & dark-green leaves which like my alkaline heavy clay. Upper pink is Comte de Chambord, and lower pink is Radio Times (bought from RU in 2011).

I bought Aloha Hawaii, own root, this year. I assumed it was part of the same family as Straw's Aloha in the photo above, but it is not. It's a Kordes - not always a winner for me. One of it's parents is Westerland, who does ok, but not great in my garden. Does anyone here in a cold zone grow Aloha Hawaii? And, do you get a second flush?

Lady Ashe, own root, is new for me this year, too. She's absolutely beautiful in Northland's display garden.

Straw - oh my heavens!!! Those are lovely!!!

I'm excited about Governor Rosellini grandiflora rose which I received yesterday July 1, from Roses Unlimited summer sale (I bought 6 roses). Below is a comment on that rose: "rosyjennifer(z 6/7 MD) I love fragrant red roses and his fragrance, to my nose, is the strongest true rose. A little known red rose whose fragrance wafts through the air more than any other I know is Governor Rosellini. The blooms are smaller than some HT's, (maybe that is why it is not well known?) but the repeat is super fast and there are lots of blooms. They last well on the bush and in a vase. Smells like rosy, strawberry kool-aid; my 11 yr old daughter just loves it! : ) rosyjennifer(z 6/7 MD)."

Below are my 6 roses ordered from Roses Unlimited summer sale ($12 per gallon) They are many times bigger than the band-size roses that I got from High Country Roses ($19 to $18 per band). Picture taken with Roses Unlimited in white plastic bags, and the tiny band size roses (planted mid-May) in between:

Wow, Straw, I've never gotten anything close to that size from RU. Those will be mature size in no time.

Floweraremusic (Andrea): Yes, RU's summer sale in June roses are BIGGER than RU's full-price roses that I received early May. That's why I prefer getting roses in June since they BIGGER by 1-month. When I asked Paul Redfern (lives less than 1/2 hour from me) as to what roses ARE WORTH BUYING from Roses Unlimited, he shared with me the below. Paul bought roses from RU for the past 15 years, he recommended Sonia Rykiel, Bolero, Nahema way before 2010. He has loamy & alkaline soil and these are his MOST fragrant favorites from RU:

Munsted Wood, Othello, Bolero, Nahema, Dee-Lish, First Crush, Carding Mill, Hawkeye Belle,

Rose de Rescht, Abraham Darby, Reine des Violettes, Jacques Cartier, Heritage, Louise Odier

**** From Straw, from Paul's list, I have Munstead Wood, Bolero, Nahema (died twice in my heavy clay), Dee-lish, Carding Mill, and Jacques Cartier (gave that away). Below is Carding Mill, a constant bloomer but prickly thus can't be used for the vase. Many thanks to Vicky for recommending Carding Mill.

Floweraremusic (Andrea): Your Aloha Hawaii has Westerland and Rugelda (a Rugosa) as its parents. Rugosa DO NOT LIKE your and my heavy clay. Rugosa thrives in sandy & fluffy soil and is known as "beach rose".

These are my favorite orange roses from RU: Versigny, Lady of Shalott, Pat Austin, and Crown Princess Magareta. My favorite reds from RU: Rouge Royal, the Dark lady, and a new favorite: Tess of d'Ubervilles (not shown below). They all do well in my heavy & alkaline clay.

These are my favorite blue roses from RU: Center blue is Poseidon (floral grassy scent), lowest left is Lagerfeld (like a perfume bottle), deep purple is Twilight Zone (old rose scent), pinkish/lavender lowest right is Shocking blue (clove scent). Lavender crush is tiny purple on lowest left (bought from Walmart).

Above are my favorite reds: Barcelona (Francis Dubreuil) is top red, it's spicy good but W.S. 2000 (on left) BEATS Barcelona in scent. W.S. 2000 is violet & old rose. Right dark red is Munstead Wood (berry and old rose). Lowest drooping light-red is The Dark Lady (old rose scent). The Dark Lady has a wafting scent & can smell that 6 feet away. Rouge Royal is not in the vase, but it has a raspberry rose scent and scent LESSENS in the vase.

Forget to mention Stephen big Purple (right below blue Poseidon) as my most favorite purple vase. That plus Evelyn (pink below) are worth buying from RU. Both last 5 days in the vase. Big Purple died in my garden after 8 years since I forgot to winter-protect it, so I bought it again this year from Roses Unlimited.

For my favorite orange & yellow: Crown Princess Magareta has been in my garden for 9 years. Light yellow on left is Tchaikovsky. Golden Celebration has better scent than Crown, but gives me one-tenth the blooms. I also got Polka from RU but that died after 2 years (it's a water-hog and it died through a dry winter). Dee-lish are dark-pink blooms, give me just as many blooms as Crown P. Mag. Both are VERY WINTER-HARDY and can take heavy clay.

Right now July 3 at 90 F I have a vase of 2 Dee-lish and 2 Rouge Royal blooms. Dee-lish is many times stronger in scent than Rouge Royal. Its strawberry-rose scent perfumes the entire room. Dee-lish, Princesse Charlene de Monaco, Firefighter, Duchess de Rohan, and Comte de Chambord can perfume the entire room with just one or two blooms.

For pink/beige roses, Betty White bottom is my most favorite for the vase (lasting 5+ days) with strong scent like Princesse Charlene de Monaco. Both Betty White and Evelyn take extreme heat near 100 F well. Uppermost large pink is Evelyn, which produces just as many blooms as Lady of Shalott or Crown Princess Mag. Evelyn and white Bolero are my best bloomers in heavy clay, both with the best scents. Middle pinks are Radio Times and Christopher Marlowe, which don't last long in the vase like Evelyn.

Lovely roses strawchicago! I'm not sure how Bella di Todi would work in Chicago but it's been a very fragrant, great cut flower that Pat recommended to me a few years ago when I asked her about a fragrant yellow rose. I don't have photo of one that's more open but the blooms are large.

Happy 4th!

Ann

straw your pictures are stunning.

I have Nahema here in Florida. It is own root as opposed to fortuniana rootstock. I does not get much black spot... but it is a spider mite magnet. No matter how much I was the leaves it ALWAYS has spider mites..... it suffers especially in the summer. I have amended the soil, but the sand just keeps coming back..... hopefully I can get some REAL dirt eventually by mulching and amending.

I also have Hawkeye Bell. It is beautiful and a nice scent. It is in a 3 gallon pot and will probably put it in the ground this fall. I bought it as a band last Nov. and intended to take it to NH this spring because it is supposed to do well in zone 4.... however, with the covid shelltering I did not get to go.... now I have this rose... I really don't know how well it will do here in Florida long run.... we will see. Hopefully it will do ok since Quietness does well for me....

Straw, as usual, out came the pen and note pad. I have all those roses above written down. Thank you. And, ordering in June makes more sense for me, too. I'm never ready to plant in May because our season has barely started then. Pat carries roses you can't find anywhere else.

Ann: Your Bella di Todi looks great !! How's the vigor of Bella di Todi compared with Golden Celebration? How tall is Bella di Todi? Thank you. Roses in my zone 5 are 1/2 the height & size of roses in CA. So I aim for TALLEST rose possible. My Golden Celebration is 10-year old as own-root. It's giving 4 to 5 blooms in partial shade, 4 hours of morning sun. But the blooms don't last long like Honey Bouquet, which I would grow again if I'm in a warm zone. Honey Bouquet LASTS TWICE longer in the vase than Golden Celebration and smells just as sweet. Plus I never see black spots on Honey Bouquet. I like it more than Julia Child since Julia Child has a cough-medicine scent & fades to white .. Honey Bouquet STAYS YELLOW and DOES NOT FADE to white, plus it blooms well in partial shade:

Below pinks are Francis Blaise (continuous bloomer from RU). RU's French Guillot collection of Francis Blaise, Sonia Rykiel and Versigny bloom well with my alkaline tap water at pH 9. Reddish are Big Purple. Yellow is Honey Bouquet. Beige is Mary Magdalene. Honey Bouquet is my #1 rose for the vase.

I've considered getting rid of Golden Celebration for years. It's a healthy bush, but blooms are so few and they're darker than I like in a yellow. I do enjoy Morden Sunrise because it's variable from the palest yellow to orange sherbet on the bush at the same time. It's a tallish rose in my zone, at 4'+. Moonlight, a climber from Kordes is a soft yellow with touches of pink on the petals. Kordes roses don't always thrive here, but this one is happy and blooms a lot.

Straw, your bouquet combinations are striking and unexpected. I think all rose colors go together with very few exceptions.

Straw - Bella di Todi has reached about 5ft this year after staying at about 3.5 feet for a couple of years. It's a much stronger plant than Golden Celebration which I've only had for two years. GC is still establishing itself but it's much weaker than Bella. Thanks for the information on Honey Bouquet!

I also recently got Golden Zest from RU and really like it. It's still a baby but the color, fragrance, and vase life are very good. It's about 3ft tall in year two and Golden Celebration is a parent.

Ann

Ann: Thanks for the info. of 5 feet and excellent vigor on Bella di Todi (good news for my zone 5). Thank you for those fantastic pics. of Golden Zest ... Nipptress or Cynthia in zone 5 (drier climate) stated that Golden Zest is among her top 10 roses.

Andrea (floweraremusic): Thanks for the info. on Morden Sunrise and Moonlight Climber. Moonlight has "Large, glossy, dark green, dense foliage." which is excellent for heavy clay like mine and yours. Jay Jay of the Netherlands in HMF has rocky alkaline clay (lots of stones) with pH 8 and he grows Moonlight, Aloha, Polka .. his roses have glossy, or LARGE or DARK-GREEN leaves. Best roses for my rock-hard clay have glossy & large leaves like Betty White, Sweet Promise 2007, Aloha. There are lots of Large (broad-leaf) weeds like dandelion in my rock-hard clay, I kill them with vinegar. But along the driveway where it's loose & loamy ... I have tiny-leaves weeds that sprout after rainy-month, and I kill them with lime. The tiny-leaves roses hate anything alkaline (Lady of Shallot with its tiny leaves was troublesome in its 1st year), but Aloha with large leaves grows easily in dense clay with pH near 8.

Golden Celebration leaves are small ... it likes LOAMY & FLUFFY soil with excellent drainage. Its light-green leaves also prefer acidic rain & refuses to bloom with alkaline tap water. It did better in a fast draining pot & fluffy soil than my dense clay with poor drainage. I should had bought Golden Zest with "Large, glossy, dark green foliage." as stated in HMF.

Wow, this thread has a lot of posts over a short period of time. [g]. I haven't gone through them all yet, but it's a very helpful topic.

Straw - those are huge plants for $12!!! Here that would be $40. I would love to be able to smell the fragrance when you get blooms. GASP!!! Your Honey Bouquet rose is stunning!!! Oh my!!! And I adore your vase roses...especially the last 3. Ohhhhh!!!! I love your last picture!! Your roses seem better than ever. You've analyzed what works and what doesn't...and your roses are benefitting!!

Ann - I love the yellow (so fresh and bright!) of your Bella di Todi!!! I love its delicate white edging!! Oooh!!! I love your Goldent Zest!!! The scrolling of the inner petals is beautiful!! IMHO the color is way nicer than that of Golden Celebration.

When I asked Nippstress in Nebraska zone 5 about the Rose Barni Collection at Roses Unlimited, here's Nippstress reply from her loamy & drier climate: "My experience with Versigny mirrors yours, in that I had mine in my zone 6 pocket of my yard and it lasted about 3 or 4 years before dying one winter. I think this one is only marginally hardy in zone 5 and needs heavy winter protection to do well. It's gorgeous though.
So far, Antico Amore has survived with more cane over the winter in the same zone 6 pocket, so I'd rate its hardiness a bit better. It didn't overwinter in part sun in an average spot in the yard, so it's not entirely robust in zone 5. Etrusca is the smallest of the bunch and also in the zone 6 pocket, and I think I'm pushing its limits. Bela di Todi I only tried once and it didn't overwinter, but I have planted it again and can keep you posted.
Bottom line is that Antico Amore is probably the strongest of the bunch you list, but all are in need of some winter protection to do well in our zones." Cynthia

Since my house siding is white, I look for DEEP or GAUDY colors roses that stand out. I have too many Austin roses that fade badly, so the new roses I buy tend to be DEEPER & brighter colors. 5th-year own-root The Dark Lady does well in 6 hours of sun (pic. below shows some tomato leaves .. tomatoes here invade my roses). The Dark Lady has a fantastic wafting scent, I can smell it 10 feet away. Pick taken this July at 90 F.

Below gaudy-orange Sweet Mademoiselle finally does cluster blooming in only 4 hours of sun, pic. take this July at 90 F. It's a 2nd-year own-root.

Beautiful straw! Your roses are so healthy and well-formed. I wish I could smell them!

Ann

Straw - oh my!!!! After seeing your Sweet Mademoiselle, I really want mine to get taller than 6 inches. Dang. Gorgeous, gorgeous!!! And your Dark Lady...wow!!!

Carol: Sweet M. as OWN-ROOT likes it alkaline. It didn't do cluster-blooming until I gave it bio char (half-burnt charcoal) at pH over 12. it's a French Meilland and they like it alkaline such as Rouge Royal and Peter Mayle (one bloom can perfume the entire room). Both have dark-green leaves thus love higher pH. I should had bought a second one from RU's last summer sale. Never see black spots on Peter Mayle in my alkaline clay (pH over 7.5), but my own-root Rouge royal has black spot after blooming. Rouge Royal is a CONSTANT bloomer so potassium & calciuim get depleted & I need to IV that rose 24/7 with soluble fertilizer. Forgot to winter protect Rouge Royal so most canes are dead, except one cane left, but this one tiny cane ended up with 5 blooms when it's less than a foot tall: Picture taken early spring to show one-surviving cane of Rouge Royal after zone 5 winter. I constantly have to lime this rose to prevent black spots.

Peter Mayle is more winter-hardy, ALL CANES SURVIVED zone 5 winter and is a stronger scent in the vase than Rouge Royal. Below bouquet with dark-pink Peter Mayle, right upper is Orchid Romance (doesn't last long in the vase), left pink is Savannah, dark yellows are Strike-it-Rich (doesn't last long in the vase). Light yellow is Crown Princess Magareta. Peter Mayle lasts 5 days in the vase & smells best among the below. Peter Mayle's scent is old rose & myrrh and eucalyptus, very intoxicating ... one bloom is enough to perfume a room.

I'm a little late to this thread, @strawchicago z5 regarding your question of fragrant roses from RU. Just chiming in that I received Stile 800 HT from them in May (Barni rose) and it smells very strongly of apples, really wonderful. It also has that old rose look. This is a new plant for me but so far seems like a strong grower at 3.5 feet high already with several basals. I'm in zone 10 so can't discuss cold hardiness unfortunately. The photo is the same bloom, inside and outside.

Kathy: Wow !! That bloom is awesome, so beautiful. Thank you for sharing your Stile 800. I always look for roses that last long in the vase. Too many mosquitoes outside in my humid climate, so I don't sit out in my garden ... I enjoy roses INSIDE & in the vase instead.

Straw - when you say you have to constantly add lime to roses that blackspot (my Chrysler Imperial comes to mind)...do you really mean that? Like every time you water you add lime? Maybe I should do that to my (hasn't grown an inch all summer at an astounding height of 5 inches) Sweet Mademoiselle. I've given it lime...but maybe it needs lime every time I water?? What do you think? My Peter Mayle died over winter when my daughter left the garage door open...but I remember the fragrance was wonderful! What a lovely bouquet!!! And it makes a lot of sense if you have mosquitoes to enjoy your roses in the house.

Kathy - your bloom is gorgeous!!! I've never heard of that rose before...wowza!!!

Carol: I used to lime the dark-green leaves ones (Peter Mayle, Bolero, Rouge Royal) before a heavy rain, but with so many roses I get lazy. Now I top roses with pea-gravel which releases calcium & potassium when acidic rain water hits. It's like a buffer on top to neutralize acidic rain. It works great for Radio Times (10th year own root) ... new leaves come out clean & plus blooming well. I should had topped Radio Times early spring with pea-gravel.. acidic rain water dissolve those tiny pebbles in a few months into nutrients.

You've got a great system! :)

Golden Zest posted by Ann in CA is absolutely gorgeous !! Nipptress in zone 5, Nebraska with less rain & loamy soil stated that Golden Zest is among her top 10 best performers among her 1,000 varieties. My best performer among my 143 varieties is Dee-lish, Evelyn, and Poseidon, pictured below. I have alkaline rock hard clay with 38 to 40 inch. of annual rain along with 6 rain-barrels. Blue Poseidon was recommended by Pat Henry for its vigor, it's always over 2 feet of green cane after zone 5 winter. Poseidon's scent is clove/grassy/floral, lasts 5 days in the vase. It has bush-beauty & always healthy & never see diseases in its 7th-year as own-root:

Glorious, Straw!!! My faves are the two at the bottom!!! Oh, sweet mama!!! LOL :)

Carol: the bottom two are: Left is Abraham Darby and right is Evelyn. Evelyn has a sweeter scent of ripe peaches, versus grapefruit for Abraham Darby. Evelyn lasts longer in the vase than Abraham Darby.

Even though my Coral Dawn was having a gypsy moth caterpillar problem I think I got the upper hand on them. Is proving to me how tenacious it is despite them eating leaves or leaving holes in them and one tried to eat the bud (which I quickly disposed of in the container of warm water and dish detergent soap) it is still trying to open!!! I smelt the bud and like oh wow!!!! The fragrance on this one is awesome!!! And it is still a bud and hasn't even opened yet!!!! There is a 2nd one next to it untouched. And new shoots are also growing on it. Sooo hoping that I have won the war on them. I check it over everyday and found some that almost looked like they were dead hanging from it soo removed them. They are still in full force out the back parking lot in our 2 or 3 Oak trees when I looked up at them. Could see one or two per leaf. Got a picture of the bud today. Curious to see how it is going to open. So every morning I give it the once over to see if there are any on it.

Straw - thanks...I thought they were the same rose. But now, looking more closely...I like Abe better. :)

Karen - that's the way to beat them...be vigilant!! :) Good going! Very pretty bud!

I prefer receiving roses from RU in early spring since they come with buds. I have been ordering yearly from RU since 2011, and this week I received 6 biggest gallon own-roots with blooms on April 27, 2022:

Below is Firefighter with 2 blooms, this is my 4th own-root Firefighter (doesn't last long in my zone 5a), but I keep ordering since one bloom can perfume the entire room. This is the first time I grow in a 7-gallon air-pots (thanks to Hoang Ton's setting an example with his amazing roses).

Below is CLIMBING Crimson glory received from RU with 2 buds (I grew Crimson glory hybrid tea before, it was too small for my zone 5a). Firefighter's scent is many times stronger than Crimson glory (nice but scent doesn't last long in the vase):

Summer Sun also has a bud to sniff, it's a fresh & nice scent like Louis Estes.

Yolanda d' Aragon also has a bud coming from Roses Unlimited 4/27/22.

My other 2 orders: Ardoise de Lyon and Kiss me Kate Climber don't have buds, but very tall with BIG roots. This year is the BEST in size and quality coming from Roses Unlimited.

RU uses Mills Magic mix for fertilizer. The ingredients have changed for the better. Below is an excerpt from Mills Magic Rose website:

"We’ve removed the fish meal. We’ve removed the biosolids. We’ve added feather meal and Citrus peels. We’ve kept the alfalfa meal, cottonseed meal, bone meal, and blood meal."

I really like the look of your YdA bud! I hope your Firefighter does well for you. :) :)

Firefighter with dark-green leaves broke out in mildew in the past 2 days of heavy rain. I mixed 3/4 cup of alfalfa meal with 1/2 cup Azomite (pH 8 to 8.6), but that wasn't enough to neutralize tons of acidic rain.

Plus my mistake of keeping the saucer at the bottom of the air-pot so water could not drain fast. I should had bought the rack with wheels so the pot can be elevated for faster drainage.

I had to re-pot Firefighter in MG-potting soil plus 1 cup of pelletized (slow-released) lime. My first Firefighter back in 2012 was very vigorous & healthy since I watered with my pH 9 tap-water. Dark-green leaves hybrid teas need higher pH to stay healthy.

Oh, Firefighter...why do you torture us?? I hope you can sort your Firefighter out. :)

I have endless pain with low-thorn roses as OWN-ROOTS: A. Shopshire Lad, Firefighter, Firefighter, Climbing America (orange), Leander, Felicia, Jude the Obscure. All die through my zone 5a winter with freezing rain in winter.

Low-thorn roses prefer moist, fast drainage but fluffy soil (like sandy & loamy) and hate my rock hard & poor drainage clay. The only vigorous low-thorn roses that survive many winters is Sweet Mademoiselle, in 4 hrs. of morning sun (bought from Roses Unlimited):

kathyc_z10 Thank you for that gorgeous pics of Stile 800 HT. I always look for roses that last long in the vase.

Too bad that Roses Unlimited no longer sell Betty White, that had the best scent among the 5,000 roses at Chicago Botanical garden and among 1,200 roses at Cantigny Rose park nearby.

Anyone know a source that sells Betty white as own-root? Thanks for the info.

Mine died after 6 years thanks to a dry winter and dry spring. I enjoyed its marvelous scent, see below. Betty White is the upper pink in below bouquet:

Betty White is small & compact as own-root at 1.5' x 1.5', compared that to Princess Charlene de Monaco, which is over 10 feet tall as of 10/10/22 as 5th-year own-root. Betty White consumed 1/4 the amount of water compared to PcDM. Betty White is a constant bloomer, no pause in between like PcDM:

Betty is out of stock at Heirloom but you could try the waiting list. What a nice rose.