Hi this is okgrowin. Sorry I'm not used to using garden web. No notifications when someone asks u question like thp or reddit =[ The space is 4x2x2 ft. Uses 2 lights about 36w each (about half t8s). I have since gone from a square design to a more spread out bar design (like flouros). I previously used 10w led arrays from eBay which work great. but now am using 3w LEDs. As its cheaper. My current design for a 4x2x2 shelf uses 2 bars. So ~75w and costs ~50 to make. Takes more work than going and getting some cheap t8s from HD but can pay you back if you use them often. I'll make a diy that u can learn from soon ... Here it is under construction. linkk Here's the old deprecated design (costs more , less light choice) instructable (learn from it)

This thread is getting very slow to load, so I'll start a continuation of it. Please let this thread lapse. I hope you don't mind ravencajun. Part 2: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5724532/let-s-start-a-chain-reaction-game-get-some-activity-going-part-2

thanks for the response. We do not have an Apple store nearby. Don't understand why it happened all of a sudden, when nothing was changed in regard to messages. i will continue to reach out to try to tech support.

I haven’t. I can do that. Or just put it in the drum. But it’s just not right that Miele is sending out defective machines. It’s similar to false advertising when you say your product can do something and it doesn’t. They should be held accountable. They exchanged my WWH860 for a WXI860 that has similar issues! I don’t understand. Does Miele not test these models prior to rolling them out to the public? As I had indicated, we know they don’t proofread the user manuals as there are very many errors listed. How can a company whose motto is Immer besser, allow these errors and irregularities to exist and still roll the products out to the public?