Anyone want to take a wild stab at this? Something that gets me in the ballpark anyway. It doesn't appear to be one of those offensive ones that I'm always ripping out.

Perhaps something in the Dewberry group of Rubus. Are the fruit matt rather than glossy?

the one with green leaves??? .. and white flowers???? ... lol..

im thinking you are going to have to show us some fruit/berries .. for us to get in the ballpark ...

in my experience... there arent many bird planted bramble berries.. worth keeping ... unless you have acres and acres.. and are running a natural habitat ... otherwise.. go buy some quality named plants.. and use limited space on those ... and for a shiny penny.. i will tell you how i really feel..lol

ken

Dandy, there's like 42 species of rubus in Minnesota, and they can hybridize too....good luck!🤣

Compare to Rubus canadensis. The sample above seems to be noticeably lacking in any thorns, bristles or hairs on either the stems or the foliage.

I agree with dewberry and/or blackberry, not a raspberry at all.

R. canadensis seems to have 5 leaflets. This plant has 3? 🤔

Not always five. Most sources just state leaves made up of 2 or more leaflets and you can find plenty of examples with only 3 leaflets.

Ok, thank you gardengal. I second canadensis

Thanks for all the interest. It's only just in bloom now so few more weeks for fruit. I kind of have my heart set on Cloudberry or Thimbleberry.

But anything with a canadensis in it is ok too.

I finally got some pics of the berries a while ago. These do have thorns all the way up the spines and onto the back of the leaves.

Anyone want to take a stab at this? Just anything in the ballpark will do. Just to eliminate some of the other types.

And whatever is a dewberry ?

Thanks gardengal for that, I appreciate your candor. An exact id would be nice but not necessary. Close is good enough for me.

I should have added more details, like: Zone 3, non-arid, dry-sandy soil, high acidity, shade, sparsely wooded, native land(non farmed or grassy lawn). It appears sporadically. on my two acres, .

I will now refer to it as a dewberry!

Notice that back in June I said Dewberry ‘group’. I doubt you’ll get any closer without a personal visit from an academic specialist. Which is unlikely. Rubus are a very complicated bunch even before they start hybridising.

I've been blackberrying today and the variation within a single hedgerow is enormous.