I have another question, too, how do I find all the other forums anymore? I try and all I get are a short list of Australian and New Zealand garden forums. Weird.

Heliopsis? Also known as False Sunflower.

That's a good possibility! I was pretty sure it was yellow, orange or purple in color. I also love daisies and daisy like flowers. Thanks!

When you come to KT, do you have a listing on the left of "Your Topics?" If so, click edit there (top right I think), then the list of other forums will come up.

justretired is correct. The flowers are tiny compared to the size of the plant. It gets to be about 3'-4'.

Go to this link, then enter what discussion you want in the search bar

Socks, the edit button doesn't do anything for me. Nicole..that brings me to the short list I mentioned before...nothing comes up when I do a search.

Try this link for the Name that Plant forum: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/namegal

I respectfully disagree :)

If you think it looks like these leaves.... It's an Echinacea. Purple daisy-like flowers.

Kathsgrdn's plant looks just like my black-eyed susans, which are perennial, but all of the ones I have now are volunteers. The flowers are yellow with dark centers, and don't get very tall. But maybe I've been calling them black-eyed susans all these years and they are not rudbeckia but heliopsis. Mine are definitely not purple coneflowers.

I respectfully disagree with rob333. The echinacea leaves are kind of similar to the OP but the ribbing on them is totally different. It's not an echinacea.

Echinacea is a family name. Like all families there are differences within it. Echinacea paradoxa looks similar to black eyed susans. Echinacea angustifolia if you just looked at the leaf you would think it was a weird plantain. Leave it and if it blooms the ID will be closer however the way the "name's" are moving plants from one name to another what you learned yesterday may not be the name it goes by tomorrow.

My automatic reaction was the same as mamagooses - black eyed susans

The Black eyed susan plant are next to this one. I'm 99% positive that this isn't one.

Kathsgrdn how do you visit here? A windows computer? What browser? Or a phone, what browser? Depends on those things how you can find the links and what you will see. I most frequently use Google and just search for gardenweb forums and usually go from there.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gardenweb+forums&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m

Ravencajun, Windows computer, Firefox at home, Internet Explorer at work. I use Google to search for the garden web.

It looks like my variety of Rudbeckia which apparently is Hirta. A picture of the plant's foliage:

Rudbeckia Hirta

It is yellow with a black middle. Right now, mine are only foliage, haven't gotten to blooming yet. They look like your picture.

Ladies and gents, I think we have a winner!

Kathsgrdn, can you take a picture of your Black-eyed susans for comparison? I love a good plant mystery. ;)

here is the one I think is Black-eyed Susan.

All of this discussion and back and forth would be eliminated if you posted your question and photo in the Name That Plant forum. It is is intended specifically for plant ID questions and most queries are answered accurately by some extremely experienced gardeners in a matter of moments. There is not much they can't nail down almost immediately.

Gardengal, I was at work last night when someone posted that I should post it on the garden forum so I couldn't post it. I just woke up...

Gardengal - Why can't we play? The plant forum is a scary place.

I think I have the fulgida 'Goldsturm', or I think it might have started as that variety. As I posted, it has re-seeded itself many years, so may have reverted to a more 'species' form. The leaves look nothing like your variety (or blfenton's). I had my son-in-law take a pic just now--please ignore the weeds:

ETA, side-by-side. I dunno...

I hurried and put it on the plant forum before heading to the hospital this afternoon and one person posted that it was Black-eyed susan…..so now I don't know what is which plant. I could have sworn I planted the Black-eyed Susan in the middle of the 3 new plants I bought last year. I guess I'll find out in a couple weeks. No buds yet. My two daisy plants are full of buds, though! I'm so excited!

I think at this point we should start a bet! :)

Here's a thought. Black-eyed Susans tend to wander. I didn't even plant the ones I have. They have moved around all on their own. So it's possible that it is now in a different place than where you originally planted it.

They're pretty far apart and in distinct clumps that have gotten bigger. So, don't think that. My brain doesn't function like it used to so it's very possible that I remembered wrongly where I put the black eyed Susan. I did find a picture from last Fall but it's too far away to see what the flowers are.

Remember black eyed Susan's are biennial and normally will come up one year. Bloom and die the next. There are some that will perennialize but very few.

Per the iNaturalist app on my phone, it's sweet black-eyed susans.

Kathsgrdn, my neighbor has a mystery plant exactly like your photo in your original post and asked me what I thought it was. When I pinch the leaves, they smell of mint. Do yours?

Download the iNaturalist app. It will tell you what it is. I used it on your photo, and the results are above. It's never been wrong on anything I've photographed.

It's not mint Feathers11, would never plant it. I did however, look back at old pictures from last Fall and found one that shows the middle clump of flowers...and it looks like a Shasta Daisy!!! The other clump that I didn't know is then probably the Black-eyed Susan. lol. The clumps have quadrupled in size since last Fall!

Oh Black-eyed Susan will take over your garden if you let it.

I finally found this photo from way back last year. Far back row, Iris, Shasta daisy and Black-eyed Susan...sorry but I thought I had looked and looked. My memory is shot.

OP: the one you think is black eye susan is the one in front of the window well. your B.E.S. is to next to (left) of the window well.

B.E.Susans 'migrate' from the birds eating the seeds in the fall. i have 'pop-ups' all over which is fine be me, i love them! cheeriest flowers and the yellow finches love them!

Sprtphntc7a, no, I was talking about the 3 plants in the very back row. Never mentioned the others. I obviously forgot which place I planted the Black-eyed Susan and Shasta Daisy in, was thinking they were reversed for some reason. The clumps are still in the same place, although bigger, no bird involvement yet. The one in front of the drain thing is an annual, Zinnia, long dead.