PP and PPP, this could get heated

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Olychick

I'm glad they got the $. Lots of poor women are going to need free healthcare with the downturn in the economy and the loss of jobs.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

If only they actually provided healthcare...

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deegw

Are these services not health care?


Planned Parenthood provides STD testing and treatment, birth control, well-woman exams, cancer screening and prevention, hormone therapy, infertility services, and general health care.


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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Sure they are dee, but that's only the trendiest tiniest part of their business.

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deegw



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Okay, you admit that Planned Parenthood provides healthcare. Good. Now please provide a source and link that supports your "tiniest" declaration. Thanks.

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Stan Areted

Planned Parenthood was shameful for being greedy, they were not eligible but that didn't matter to them, and it didn't matter what small businesses didn't get what they were supposed to get.


But then, much of what Planned Parenthood does is shameful.

No surprise here.

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Iris GW

"much of what Planned Parenthood does"

Again with the interference on quantity.

Like the question to jonnygun, can you provide statistics to prove your point?

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kadefol

I am very happy Planned Parenthood received money for all of their nationwide affiliates. Many big restaurant and luxury hotel chains and pharma companies received PPP money, so those who oppose large businesses getting a piece of the pie need to spread their wrath around.

Monty Bennett is chairman of Ashford Hospitality Trust, Ashford
Inc., and Braemar Hotels, which collectively received $58.6 million in
PPP loans. Bennett, the Allied Progress page notes, has donated $200,000
to Trump’s 2020 campaign and the RNC since 2019.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

"that's only the trendiest tiniest part of their business."

I'd guess that the indirect objection lodged here refers to abortion services, the implication being that that is "most" of what PP does.

If so, WRONG.

Most Planned Parenthoods do NOT provide abortion services. They simply refer women asking about abortion to abortion providers (not affiliated with PP) in the region.

Mostly what Planned Parenthood does do is provide birth control ("the pill," shot, patch, diaphragm, etc.), testing and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases (like chlamydia, gonorrhea, HIV, syphilis, etc.), cancer screenings and other types of screenings, etc.

"Health services," by anyone's definition.

Kate

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cyn427 NoVaZone7

When I was in college in the early 1970s, I received exams and birth control from Planned Parenthood. Therefore, never needed an abortion. Thank goodness someone prioritized women's health.

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Ann

PP is an abortion factory.

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foodonastump

Provider, not factory. Nothing is “manufactured.”

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abzzybee(9/10 S. Florida)

^^^^ wrong.

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abzzybee(9/10 S. Florida)

That was meant for Ann.

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abzzybee(9/10 S. Florida)

Planned parenthood workers are so much more empathetic and gentle than any regular Gyn. I've ever been to see. I actually went back to PP just because they treat the whole person with dignity and that is important to me as a woman.

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vedabeeps

I agree, abzzybee. Being self employed for so many years, I didn't always have health insurance in my younger days. Some years my annual exams at PP were the only healthcare I had. Just a few years ago, with private insurance, I returned to PP to have my tubes tied when my regular doctor wouldn’t give me a referral and kept telling me no because I’ve never had children and she thought I would change my mind (At 40 and never having wanted to have children ever- and having had awful side effects from hormonal birth control for years!.) Planned Parenthood was totally respectful and caring- wonderful to work with instead of against.


I will support them until the day I die and will leave a portion of my estate to them to help carry on the good work.

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zmith

Provided as proof to refute Ann’s claim.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

I do wish trumpsters would quit falling for their own propaganda.

Only a few PPs offer abortion services.

The majority of PPs deal mostly with sexually transmitted diseases and with contraception.

But didn't I just say that not too many posts ago? I guess Trumpsters don't bother to read anyone's posts except their own.

Kate

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Olychick

Oh, and I'm sending part of my stimulus money to PP to pay for whatever care women need the most.

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Olychick

"I guess Trumpsters don't bother to read anyone's posts except their own."

Made in his own image, no?

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patriciae_gw(07)

If they spent every penny supplying abortion services I still say good for them. Abortion is legal and necessary. Women need safe and effective abortion services. That PP helps them with providing or leading them to those services is nothing to be ashamed of. Women have always had abortions. Those abortions have not always been safe. Lets keep them safe. All the other amazing things they do? Icing. Necessary icing in our benighted world where affordable health care for women is hard to find.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Ok. I googled it. They do perform some health care services. So, yea!


"...various services in 2017-2018, including:

  • 570,444 breast exams and pap tests, down from 617,677 in 2016-2017.
  • 614,361 cancer screenings and prevention procedures, down from 660,777 in 2016-2017.
  • 216,722 well-woman exams, down from 235,355 in 2016-2017.
  • 2,620,867 provisions of birth control information and services, down from 2,701,866 in 2016-2017.
  • 2,831 adoption referrals, down from 3,889 in 2016-2017.

As these services decline, Planned Parenthood reports record-high numbers in national office and affiliate financial data for 2018.

  • Almost $1.9 billion in net assets, up from $1.6 billion in 2017.
  • $563.8 million in taxpayer funding, up from $543.7 billion in 2017.
  • $1.67 billion in total revenue, up from $1.46 billion in 2017.
  • Almost $245 million in excess of revenue over expenses, more than double the $98.5 million reported in 2017.
  • $630.8 million in private contributions (including grants, individual contributors, bequests, and corporate contributors), up from $532.7 million in 2017."
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jlhug

I just love the way the Planned Parenthood does statistics. The pie chart that zmith posted is a perfect example. That shows the various services that PP did as a percent of services that the patients received. It makes it look like only 4% of PP patients who received services got an abortion. However, reading a bit further, one can see that PP served 2.4 million patients and performed 345,672 abortions. That is an abortion rate of closer to 14.4% than 4%, something like a 300 percent understatement if you look at the percent of patients who received abortions. Still a relatively low number but not as low as PP would have the reader believe. It also does not indicate how many women were referred to places other than PP for an abortion since PP doesn't offer them everywhere. So, bottom line for me is PP is dishonest about the percent of women who receive abortions directly or indirectly from their visit to PP. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploads/filer_public/2e/da/2eda3f50-82aa-4ddb-acce-c2854c4ea80b/2018-2019_annual_report.pdf


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jmm1837

And I read it the way it was intended to be read - that of 9.8 million services PPP provided, 96% were for women's health services other than abortion. Thats a lot of basic health services they're delivering.

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deegw

Trump has told how many lies to the American people? 20,000 plus? The outrage about misleading numbers rings hollow.

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Ann

When I go see a doc for a physical, for example, it would be a little interesting for height measurement, weight, knee reflex, look in ears, look in throat, listen to heart, blood pressure, and pulse - to be considered 8 services. Then, if I go have open heart surgery, for that to be considered 1 service.

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numbersjunkie

Ann, I went for my annual physical one year and was shocked to see charges for 2 office visits. I called to ask why. The answer was that my BP check showed it to be slightly elevated and the doc had to counsel me on that so it was a separate visit - and perfectly acceptable according to the insurance company guidelines I was told. So I'm not sure your example holds.

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jmm1837

When I see my GP for a general checkup, that's one service. When she also does a pap test, that's two.

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Ann

Numbers, my hypothetical example was simply to make a point about PP's version of their own statistics. Maybe I didn't make that obvious enough.

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numbersjunkie

Ann, my point was that if the subject of an abortion came up during the visit and was discussed, it might be noted as a service, even if that was not the principal purpose of the visit. That's the way docs are accustomed to coding the visit - for insurance purposes.

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patriciae_gw(07)

Legal necessary service and your tax dollars aren't involved. If you don't like PP don't use them.

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jmm1837

I saw my GP on 5 occasions last year. 1st was for a general check up and pap smear. That counted as two services (I needed a double appointment and was billed accordingly). 2nd was for check of b/p and prescription renewal.One service. 3rd was for referrals to specialists for carpal tunnel. One service. 4th was for shingles vaccine. One service. Fifth was for check up, prescription renewal and referral letter to orthopedic surgeon. That was counted as two services. One patient, 7 services provided and billed.

Why should PPP report its activities differently than my GP does? No GP bills by the patient; they bill by the services they provide to the patient, and that varies with patient needs and over time.

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Olychick

Why should PP be forced to report abortion services separate from any other medical services they provide. Legal, private and (hopefully) available. If they get gov't funding, the only thing they should have to report is # of clients served. If they don't get gov't services, they shouldn't have to report any #'s. Until my dying breath, I will do whatever I can to make sure there is $ for legal and safe abortion services.

I had an illegal, back alley abortion in 1968, before Roe v Wade. I will never, ever force women into that horrible choice; I was lucky I didn't die. I nearly did. We will seek abortions when we want/need them. Back alley should not be the only choice.


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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

Jonnygun, the NEED for the services didn't decline. The decline is due to the availability for PP to provide services being shut down in some states. The decline is the result of people not being able to get the health services they need, because it is no longer available in their area.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

I don't know anything about how "services" are counted, but one thing I do know about abortion services. Due to various bills Congress has passed and the funding requirements/restrictions in them, PP MUST keep abortion services separate from their other services. In fact, the abortions must be performed in a clinic totally separate from the usual PP services.

Kate

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bfox254

Why is this a debate about abortion services?

If Planned Parenthood followed the rules and received the money, good for them. If they skirted the rules, like so many others, they should return the money. They should not be singled out and treated differently than any other organization just because they provide perfectly legal abortion services.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Exactly, bfox. But those who object to abortion are committed to finding any and all ways to destroy PP. That is why they keep singling out PP and demanding that it be treated differently than any other organization.

Kate

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