Trump taking hydroxycloroquine?

jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

He says he is but many think he is lying.

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Nana H

I hope he is...didn't his last physical indicate some hypertension issue? Somebody needs to look into the financial backing of this drug. Thus is truly WAKO

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mr1010

lying. couldn't give an answer if he knew about the dangerous side effects. He's

too much of a spoiled narc. not to worry about harming his precious liver.

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graywings123(7)

I think he's lying to save face about his previous statements about this drug.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

I agree graywings. But I also think it's a diversion from the firing of the IG. What reputable doctor would prescribe a drug for someone who has no symptoms of RA, lupus or malaria?

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Joaniepoanie

I just started a thread about this——I’ll delete my thread.

As reported on msnbc with a clip showing Trump talking about it:


He asked the WH doctor about taking it and he said ”if you’d like it and I said yeah I’d like to. A lot of front line workers are taking it.”

Hmmmm.....is the WH doctor a quack like Bornstein? Isn’t this supposed to be a drug only administered in a hospital setting and can have quite serious side effects? Trump got such pushback over suggesting its use, which naturally ticked him off so now of course now he has to prove he was right. Problem is, with 18,000+ lies, who knows if it’s true or not?

Hope Trumper doctors are bracing for an onslaught of calls asking to be put on it just like their idol.

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maifleur03

I doubt if he is actually taking it. If he is I hope it is from an outside source and not from a doctor.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Here's what the BBC has to say:


"Coronavirus: Trump taking unproven drug hydroxychloroquine

US President Donald Trump has said he is taking hydroxychloroquine - which health officials have warned may be unsafe - to ward off coronavirus.

Speaking at the White House, he told reporters he started taking the malaria and lupus medication recently.

"I'm taking it for about a week and a half now and I'm still here, I'm still here," he said.

There is no evidence hydroxychloroquine can fight off coronavirus, though clinical trials are under way.

Asked on Monday what was his evidence of the drug's positive benefits, Mr Trump said: "Here's my evidence, I get a lot of positive calls about it."

The president - who has repeatedly touted hydroxychloroquine - suggested many medical workers were also taking the drug.

"You'd be surprised at how many people are taking, and especially the frontline workers before you catch it, the frontline workers many, many are taking it," he told reporters.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) say there are no approved drugs or therapeutics to prevent or treat Covid-19.

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) last month issued an advisory that hydroxychloroquine has "not been shown to be safe and effective".

It cited reports that the drug can cause serious heart rhythm problems in Covid-19 patients.

The FDA warned against use of the medication outside hospitals, where the agency has granted temporary authorisation for its use if clinical trials are unavailable.

When asked whether the White House physician recommended he start taking the drug, Mr Trump said he had asked about it himself.

"I asked him, what do you think? He said, 'well, if you'd like it', I said yeah, I'd like it."

Mr Trump also told reporters on Monday hydroxychloroquine "seems to have an impact".

"And maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but if it doesn't, you're not going to get sick and die."

He added: "I've heard a lot of good stories and if it's not good, I'll tell you right I'm not going to get hurt by it."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52717161

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Stan Areted

Why all the hysteria?

He either is or he isn't.

Maybe he won't get the virus, maybe he'll die from taking the drug, which no doubt would make a lot of people ecstatically happy.

It's of no consequence, people have to get a prescription for it, as he did.

They're trying all sorts of things to treat this disease and to avoid it.

Like masks--if you WANT TO, WEAR ONE.

If you don't want to get sick STAY HOME.

If you don't like hydroxychloroqine, DON'T TAKE IT.

Everyone else will mind their own business.

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patriciae_gw(07)

This is funny, no one seems to believe him. I hope he isn't. That level of crazy would be worse than what we have. The danger as always is some of his base will take him seriously and take it themselves. I imagine you can get it on the internet.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

He either is or he isn't.

If he isn't, you don't think it's a problem that he's lying about it?

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Joaniepoanie

He also said that the only negative studies about it have been from anti-Trump people. Good lord! How is this in any way acceptable to Trumpers? Can you really defend this? Or his lying about it?

Infectious disease specialist, William Schaffner, is saying it is in no way a preventative drug for Covid and that it can cause serious heart related side effects.

Whether he’s actually taking it, or just lying about it—- he’s insane!

He needs to be removed from office!

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catspa_zone9sunset14

What hysteria? I don't care if he does or doesn't. Basically this is just one more piece of evidence of how straight-out stupid he is, regardless of whether he is lying or not.

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abzzybee(9/10 S. Florida)

I'm inclined to see this as a diversion like Jerzeegirl. I don't care if he does or does not take it.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

From Neil Cavuto:

Cavuto: Trump 'just acknowledged he's taking hydroxychloroquine ... The fact of the matter is though, when Trump said what do you got to lose, in a number of studies the vulnerable population have one thing to lose, their lives ... I cannot stress enough, This. Will. Kill. You'

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Lucy

Bad side effects. I can only hope.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Who knows....maybe it's a cry for help.

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chisue

He couldn't take anything that would conflict with STD meds. According to the man who was Ivanka's go-fer during taping for Trump's TV show, Trump takes meds for an STD and is so addicted to ADD meds that he suffers incontinence.

The man also said in a published interview that 'everyone' knows Trump is "severely dyslexic". (Perhaps that, not the infamous bone spur, excused him from military service.) You could almost feel sorry for the guy's lifelong difficulties in business and in life.

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dandyfopp

You could almost feel sorry for the guy's lifelong difficulties in business and in life.

Nah.

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blfenton

I really can't imagine anyone prescribing a medication to the president of the US that isn't proven and that he doesn't need. Maybe a placebo to placate.

Just more trump hyperbolic grandstand nothingness.

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debo_2006

I believe he's lying...bigly. This man wants so bad to gain acceptance (on how he is handled/is handling the crisis), that he will say anything for an "atta boy". He's desperate. What a dumbas$.

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mr1010

well that's great if he's taking it, maybe now he'll inject himself with Lysol and Bleach.

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Stan Areted

Speculation and lies and conspiracies, what a life!

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dandyfopp

Speculation and lies and conspiracies, what a life!

Like breathing to Donnie.

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Joaniepoanie


Stan Areted

Speculation and lies and conspiracies, what a life!

****

Big hoot coming from the folks who believe Pizzagate, Obamagate, and every other cockamamie RW conspiracy theory that comes down the pike.

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Joaniepoanie

Why all the hysteria? It’s totally irresponsible, that’s why.

Can you imagine Obama making such an announcement during swine flu, or making up such a lie?

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HU-5213567

interesting he is only now saying he is taking this medication. he believes he dodged a bullet and was not infected during the recent WH scare, so now is a great time to say he took it. otherwise, he would have announced he was taking it as soon as the infected valet was id’d.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

There is NO indication that it prevents COVID so why is Trump taking it?

It behooves the prescribing doctor to come forward with the truth for the sake of his reputation and for the sake of those who might want to try the drug for no good reason.

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Annie Deighnaugh

I suspect they're giving him a placebo just to shut him up.

The big unanswered question is why is he so hot to trot on this drug? They apparently have a huge stockpile of the drug and were already shipping it out to hospitals around the country. So in whose interest is it that this drug see a sharp increase in demand? Does trump have a $$ connection with it? It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

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deegw

Apparently there is a big study pending about hydro's use as a prophylactic. And Trump has access to an unparalleled level of healthcare. He can get EKGs every day if his Dr. wants to keep track of his heart.

The biggest issue, by far, is the cavalier attitude with which Trump shares info about a dangerous drug to the general public.

https://www.healio.com/cardiology/vascular-medicine/news/online/%7Bc30ff204-961b-4c2a-9bdd-3eb50a50df1b%7D/new-study-to-provide-insight-on-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-prevention-in-health-care-workers

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Annie Deighnaugh

Why all the hysteria?

He either is or he isn't.....

It's of no consequence, people have to get a prescription for it, as he did.

They're trying all sorts of things to treat this disease and to avoid it.

It's not hysteria...it's concern for a number of reasons. Just as the president's health in general is important to the nation, so is his experimenting with himself...especially when he has a number of pre-existing conditions that put him at greater risk of dying of this disease including obesity. Moreover, he's experimenting with a drug that has no proven benefit but has greater risks than not taking that drug...especially as he's taking it as a preventative for which there is zero evidence that it's useful for that purpose.

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Kitchenwitch111

Trump’s lying. It’s what he does.

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jmm1837

My concern is the arrant irresponsibility of a President sending the message that medical advice is meaningless and that people should just do whatever they want about avoiding the virus, just like he does. This is leadership?

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Nana H

Follow the money.......this has major odour.

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cattyles

It’s so ridiculous. It’s crazy. And he’s just distracting from something, everything.

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Iris GW

jmm1837

My concern is the arrant irresponsibility of a President sending the message that medical advice is meaningless and that people should just do whatever they want about avoiding the virus, just like he does. This is leadership?

BINGO

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paprikash

Big whoop

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Annie Deighnaugh

Side effects:

Of course some of these would be hard to tell in trump....

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palisades_

The list of side effects is long, but not everyone may experience all or some of them. A dear friend’s mother has been on hydroxychloroquine for several months for treatment of hair loss. She has experienced no adverse side effects, granted the lady in her 80’s is in great health and walks several miles outdoor daily. Who knows if that may be a plus for her during this pandemic, but we still keep far distance from her for her sake.

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palisades_

Possibly plausible if he can tolerate it, but that is not what he said he’s taking it for.

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Annie Deighnaugh

No, no...the side effect is hair loss...it's not to prevent hair loss.

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blfenton

I followed up on what palisades said about her friends mother taking it for hair loss and sure enough there is literature out there that talks about it being used for that very thing. It that's the case you think he's going to admit to it?

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Annie Deighnaugh

It's a problem when the snake oil salesman starts taking the stuff himself, no?

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aegis1000

Annie Deighnaugh

It's a problem when the snake oil salesman starts taking the stuff himself, no?


Isn't it a ploy of the snake oil salesman to take a swig of what he's selling, himself ?

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bfox254

I don't care if he's taking the drug or not taking the drug. It's his health, his risk. I do care that he's promoting the drug. His bleach drinking worshippers shouldn't be encouraged to self medicate.

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Kitchenwitch111

There are many people who believe everything Trump says. Oh, well!

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dandyfopp

Donnie says just drink the kool-aid kids, it will fix you right up. I am drinking it!

The Jim Jones moment that has always been on the cards for this cult.

No doctor is going to prescribe Donnie this drug unless the doctor is fine with the potential of seeing him drop dead from a heart attack.

He is the picture of risk for a cardiac event.




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lurker111

So, Trump is taking his meds. Good advice for some.

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youngquinn_gw

does he not have shares in this company? This makes it even worse if his agenda is to bolster sales with his voters who may chose to ape his behaviour. What a manipulation. this is loathsome

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Michele

It has to be a money thing. Besides himself it’s the only thing that matters.

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Michele

https://youtu.be/JsWP6bU-LgU


Very bizarre. A shyster named trump comes to town....

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soupgirl53

Either money for Trump or money for a Trump crony.

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Nana H

I hope the Securities Commission is all over this,

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Stan Areted

The Securities and Exchange Commission?

Under what Department? Enforcement?

What statutes?

More likely TDS!

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Glenn Kirschner

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I wish the media would stop saying, “Trump is taking the drug” and instead say, “Trump CLAIMS he’s taking the drug.” To believe he’s taking hydroxychloriquine I’d need to see a livestream of Rep. Pelosi opening a sealed bottle of the drug and feeding it to Trump like a baby bird.

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Nana H

Stan, it is not uncommon for the Commission's Enforcement Division to investigate if there is suspicion of inappropriate stock trading. If they find irregularities that are, or may be, illegal they refer it to the FBI.

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deegw

Clarification - if Trump doesn't fire the investigators before they are finished.

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how2girl

He apparently has a small financial stake via some mutual funds who invest in the French company Sanofi, who manufacture Plaquenil, the brand name version of hydroxychloroquine.

It’s off patent, has been around for over 50 years & costs about 10 cents a tablet.


Of more interest is that Sanofi was awarded $226 million by the US government in Dec 2019 to expand pandemic influenza preparedness.


Follow the money...

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Trump taking his own snake oil? Could be. .....for decades he had this quack below as his doc and probably took all kinds of snake oils that he heard were miracle cures and Dr Feelgood cranked out the prescriptions for whatever ailed him. Another good reason why the trump goons raided his x-doc's office for all trump files and records.



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Annie Deighnaugh

See my other thread on Are They Trying to Kill Us?

https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5902974/are-they-trying-to-kill-us#n=72

So far the evidence keeps pointing toward "yes".

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Stan Areted

Oh dear, President Trump will be forcing open the gullets of all citizens to take hydroxychloroquine so they will die!

You have time still to get your affairs in order--a doctor will still have to write a prescription for you!

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Hubby said he wants to show off that he finally learned how to pronounce it 😂

And IMO, it's just 1 more in the litany of lies from the guy. You never know what kind of cr@p will fall out when he opens his yap...

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Nana H

Doctors are very concerned about shortages of the drug for people who have conditions that require the drug.

It's astounding to me that some do not understand or care , not sure which it is, about the dangers of the President of the United States publicly promoting a drug for off label use even when his own FDA says it should not be used.

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Tilly Teabag

Yes, Nana that is what is making me angry. Leave it for people who need it.

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deegw

His babbling about hydro is like a verbal tic.

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Olychick

"Trump is taking his meds"

Well, he may or may not be taking this particular med, but he obviously isn't taking the meds he needs.

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Nana H

That is just so wrong. No politician, especially one of the most powerful men in the world, should be pushing a drug to the public. Something is really wrong....follow the money.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Seems to me the man is continually grasping at straws, continually creating as much confusion as he can. He is never not incoherent.

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chisue

What's he doing about his weight? He's morbidly obese. You don't have to be Nancy Pelosi to know that. It's obvious.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Trump has the Hitchcock physique, and would perform well as a villain in one of his movies.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

What Have You Got To Lose?

For trump - The Election


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Michele

^I sincerely hope so

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olliesmom

oops, I got the hydroxy and chloroquine mixed up. Sorry. I don't know what I was thinking. Some reports were saying people had horrible side effects, but they were only taking the chloroquine, not the hydroxychloroquine.

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ak_ok(6b)

@miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others) what do they say? You can't talk bad about the left? Nothing I posted in here is any different than what everyone else posted, outside of it being mean to the left instead of the right.

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ak_ok(6b)

@vgkg Z-7 Va I'm sure you came to that decision on your own and it had nothing to do with CNN, MSNBC, your favorite actors, sporting figures, and musicians telling you orange man bad 24/7. You're such a free thinker!

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ak_ok(6b)

@deegw then they should be easy for you to prove wrong, yet you didn't even make an attempt.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

Wow we can @ each other now. Not sure I like that...

@ak_ok I am not responsible for how others post, nor are you. All I suggest is that you familiarize yourself with the terms of use.

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Stan Areted

Good posts ak__ok.

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ak_ok(6b)

@miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others) I'm sure you offer that advice to everyone you agree with that says mean things about the right.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

Most posters here know the rules and if they break them it’s a choice, myself included.

You seem new ak_ok. In the interest of fairness I suggested you familiarize yourself with the rules. Moderation has been stricter lately.

I’m not going to defend my words or actions to you, they speak for themselves.

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deegw

ak_ok(6b)

@deegw then they should be easy for you to prove wrong, yet you didn't even make an attempt.

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ak_ok, since you've obviously dropped in to "educate the libs" and not to have a rational political discussion, addressing the fallacies and lies really isn't worth the time. Have a good day.


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ak_ok(6b)

@miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others) If it was really in the interest of fairness you would have made a similar comment to multiple posters above. You didn't. After a quick browse of your posting and comment history I see exactly why you singled me out. I've been on this site for at least four years, I just don't post much and have never posted in this particular forum. I'm not even sure how this thread popped up on my end as I only browse the gardening related forums, but the thread title piqued my interest and the ridiculous comments made me add an opposing viewpoint to this echo chamber of a thread.

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foodonastump

@miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others) Ha! I @ed you. Thought I saw that the other day, but then didn‘t. Now realizing i have to be in thru Houzz not GW.

Anyway, if you find yourself caring what people think of you, read what they write, then reconsider whether you really care what they think of you. Mostly projection anyway, like the daily comments about our mental illness.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

“If it was really in the interest of fairness you would have made a similar comment to multiple posters above.”

Like I said, all the other posters on this thread know the rules because we’ve been around for a longer time, including many conversations with the moderators. They don’t need me to suggest that they read the rules because they’ve been reminded of them many times. They know when they are crossing the line. You deserve that knowledge too so you can make an informed decision about how you post.

Suggestions that posters are mentally ill are particularly frowned upon by moderators.

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ak_ok(6b)

@miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others) Well in this thread there are multiple posters suggesting everyone will die if they take a prescription drug that millions of people take every year. A medicine that nearly every hospital in America is currently treating patients with. So if the shoe fits... But I think you're taking the general term "loony" a little too personally. It wasn't directed at any individual poster and are we really so sensitive here that no one ever suggests that what someone said was crazy? Loony/crazy/wild are perfectly reasonable ways to describe something without the PC police having to come kick your door in.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

“ Loony/crazy/wild are perfectly reasonable ways to describe something without the PC police having to come kick your door in.”


You’ll have to explain that to the moderators. It’s not my decision.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

the PC police

Forum rules -- if Houzz wants PC behavior, we are required to be PC if we wish to continue posting on this commercial site.

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ak_ok(6b)

@miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others) Which is exactly why I have no idea why you care.

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ak_ok(6b)

@dandyfopp Wait, someone with an autoimmune disease caught a virus? That's just wild and completely unexpected. What an extremely disingenuous article. Hold onto your seat because I'm about to blow your mind, but people that receive the flu vaccine (a preventive) still get the flu! Crazy (sorry Lindsey, forgot I can't use those trigger words) I know!

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ak_ok(6b)

@maifleur03 You all sure are a sensitive bunch. I'm sorry for bringing an opposing viewpoint into your echo chamber, I know how much leftists hate that. As I said earlier, I've been here for four years, I just never posted much. This thread alone probably makes up 90% of my comments ever made on this website. Here's a thread with the earliest comment I can find from myself:


https://www.houzz.com/discussions/3952078/how-old-is-too-old-for-seeds

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loonlakelaborcamp(3 A/B)

Ak__ok, you can call me "loony" any day!

Don't let the left shut you down. They just don't know this medication has fewer side effects than many OTC meds. Of course it is administered by a physician, and can help stave off some of the worse symptons of Covid-19 in many- but alas not all.

Millions take it prophylactically ever year when travelling, so a short term use during this pandemic will not trigger the long term complications.

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ak_ok(6b)

@dublinbay z6 (KS) I'm sorry I interrupted your Trump hate fest with an opposing view. It's no surprise this country is as divided as it is today when you're so unwilling to hear something you might disagree with. Personally I love interacting with people I disagree with, and some of my best friends are liberals. The difference is I listen to what they have to say, and maybe we agree to disagree or find some sort of compromise, but either way we still heard the opposing view. If you surround yourself with only people that agree with you, you will constantly only get half the story.

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foodonastump

I agree with @ak_ok, not only does the woman have autoimmune issues but hydroxy is suspected of helping together with other drugs. Hence Trump taking zinc. I know she got antibiotics, but do we really know if her treatment is one that’s being touted?

Regardless, one-off anecdotes of it not working aren‘t evidence any more or less than one-off anecdotes of it working.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

so a short term use during this pandemic will not trigger the long term complications.

How in the world do you know that?
Stop giving medical advice. For sure that violates the TOS.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

We’ll also only get half the story if minority viewpoints are removed because they include abusive language toward other posters, though. For those of us who love the debate having only one viewpoint expressed is actually quite boring.

At the risk of making the post about the posters instead of the topic: loonlakelaborcamp, Zalco, HamiltonGardener, and mudhouse are posters whom I would presume are right leaning and whom I would describe as being overall respectful and interested in having lively debates without mud slinging. (That list is not exhaustive so if I have left someone off it please take no offence. Also apologies if I’ve misrepresented your views.)

I am just guessing at their political persuasion. I am not guessing about their high level of discourse.

ETA this post is in response to loonlakelaborcamp’s comment above, specifically: “Don't let the left shut you down.” It’s only the mods who can shut posters down.

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ak_ok(6b)

@jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B) You are aware that millions of people take these anti-malarials every year, right?

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Trump haters? On this particular topic refusing to take Donald's medical Rx advice has nothing to do with hate. It's just common sense after more than 3 years of knowing him as prez. Does this really need to be explained? Unconditional trust of this man begs for an explanation, that is more in line with any brainwashing that's been going on.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

@ak_ok I edited my comment above to reflect that I was replying to loonlake, not you.

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jmm1837

I missed all the fun, it seems, but here are a few facts


First, Hydroxychloroquine, like all drugs, has side effects. Many of them are minor; two are not. The two that are not can result in permanent damage to vision, and cardiac arrest. Those two are rare, and more likely to affect long term users, but they are nonetheless real. So, there are well documented risks in taking this drug.


Second, there is no scientific evidence that Hydroxychloroquine prevents Covid19. None. There are studies underway, and that is as far as it goes.


Third, the claim that Hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment is also less than convincing. The two initial studies claiming to show that Hydroxychloroquine can cure Covid are so small, and so badly designed, that they are meaningless. There is a larger review of patient outcomes, again badly designed, with no controls, suggesting that it is useful as a treatment, for mild cases (but most people recover without any treatment anyway) . Equally, there are similar studies showing it has little to no impact and does cause some cardiac issues. In, short, there is no evidence that would warrant using it as a treatment at this time. Further research is required.


Fourth, Hydroxychloroquine can interact badly with common medications like tylenol, advil, ACE inhibitors, etc.


Those are all facts. They are not left wing nor right wing.


So, then it becomes a risk-benefit analysis. Do you take a drug that carries known, well documented risks but offers no established, well-documented benefits? Maybe if you're in a formal clinical trial. Otherwise, it reflects pretty poor risk assessment in my book. Politics are irrelevant; science is not.



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foodonastump

Miss Lindsey - Two of your four I’d have considered middle. Wonder how they self-identify.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

@jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B) You are aware that millions of people take these anti-malarials every year, right?

How does that make it safe for everyone?

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ak_ok(6b)

@jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B) no one said it was, but that would indicate it is safe for most.

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jmm1837

"Of course it is administered by a physician, and can help stave off some of the worse symptons of Covid-19 in many- but alas not all."

There is no real evidence of that, you know.

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ak_ok(6b)

@jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B) no one said it was, but that would indicate it is safe for most.

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When DOCTORS prescribe medicine they take into consideration the potential risks of the side effects versus the medical impact of the disease they are trying to treat. For Trump or any other non-medical person to issue a blanket statement about the benefits of a dangerous drug is completely irresponsible.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

@jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B) no one said it was, but that would indicate it is safe for most.

Uh, no cigar. Loon Lake's statement was definitive so yes he did indicate that it was safe, which of course it may not be.

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ak_ok(6b)

@jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B) He also said it has fewer side effects than many other OTC medicines. That would indicate he knows there are side effects, no?

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ak_ok(6b)

@deegw how many people are obtaining it without a prescription from a doctor? I'm sure you all start a thread every time you see a drug advertised on tv.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Every drug has side effects, that goes without saying. Some people cannot even take aspirin because it wouldn't be safe. Only a person's doctor would know -not loon lake.

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deegw

ak_ok(6b)

@deegw how many people are obtaining it without a prescription from a doctor? I'm sure you all start a thread every time you see a drug advertised on tv.

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The President of the United States, with arguably the largest bully pulpit in the world, is cavalierly touting a dangerous drug. All the excuses and stabs at justification are just attempts to deflect from that fact.

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Stan Areted

Ha, nothing to deflect from.

You can't get it without a prescription!

We'e been through this over and over and over.

Yet, Orange Man Bad! Regurgitated since November 2016 and before.

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deegw

Tell that to the fish tank people.

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Stan Areted

I will, just after I tell all the people that snorted Cocaine because BO did it!

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Can someone please remind when President Obama publicly addressed the nation and lauded the effect of cocaine?

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dandyfopp

LOL

I am sure Hannity covered it Nancy.

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deegw

nancy, it's been posted before. Numerous times. They're not going to post the link again just for our convenience ;)

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Lucy

Trump is like the old timey snake oil salesman. He even looks like one.

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Olychick

Well, if he IS taking it, he better be 100% sure whoever is giving it to him wants him to continue to live and believes it will help instead of harm him.

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Stan Areted

Yea, Nancy, as soon as you show me where President Trump told people to drink fish tank cleaner!

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Stan Areted

It's NONE of your business what President Trump and his physician decide to do for his own health.


NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS


NO ONE has any say or input as to what those decisions are--waste time ranting and raving, opinions are totally inconsequential!

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

And who told the nation that chloroquine would be the drug that cured Covid-19?

.

A man thought aquarium cleaner with the same name as the anti-viral drug chloroquine would prevent coronavirus. It killed him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/

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barncatz

Orange man bad sums it up as far as I'm concerned.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

It's NONE of your business what President Trump and his physician decide to do for his own health.

Trump made it our business was he told the nation that he was taking the drug -- whether true or not is anyone's guess.

We can read the news and already knoew the problems associated with the drug. Plus we have to deal with Trump's long history of lying.


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deegw

So, the President can yap about it during speeches and on twitter and during press conferences and we are supposed to ignore him.

How are supposed to know which things he says publicly that we are supposed to ignore and which things we are supposed to pay attention to?

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Stan Areted

Like the people that have done nothing but criticize every single thing President Trump has said or done or not done in the last four years would pay attention to anything he says? The same people that have referred to his supporters as deplorables, selfish, stupid?

The President's supporters know better than that.

Snipe Snipe Snipe.

It's a Cottage Industry, starting with all that CRYING at Javitts Center.

The rest of us are enjoying Maga and getting our country back to how it was before China and the libs attempted another coup.

President Trump's health decisions are no one's business.


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

President Trump's health decisions are no one's business.

Trump disagrees ergo his public announcement of his use of hydroxycloroquine.

Trump himself made his health decision our business.



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Nana H

If Trump's health decisions are nobody's business he should keep them to himself.

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HamiltonGardener

At the risk of making the post about the posters instead of the topic: loonlakelaborcamp, Zalco, HamiltonGardener, and mudhouse are posters whom I would presume are right leaning


Oh, Miss Lindsay, I’m far from right leaning.


Voted May and Trudeau in the last two elections. I believe Chrétien was the greatest PM ever. Staunch supporter of universal healthcare and proud feminist. I am anti-gun and pro-choice.


Just because I don’t fall in lockstep on every single issue doesn’t make me any less a liberal. Being a mindless drone doesn’t make one a liberal, it makes them a useful tool.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

Thanks for the clarification HG :-)


It sounds as though your posts here on the topics you choose to comment on led me to believe you are more conservative than you are, just as the topics I choose to post on lead people to believe I am more liberal than I am! In reality I consider myself very center, leaning ever so slightly right.


Regardless I always enjoy your thoughts.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Like the people that have done nothing but criticize every single thing President Trump has said or done or not done in the last four years would pay attention to anything he says? The same people that have referred to his supporters as deplorables, selfish, stupid?

Like the people that have done nothing but support every single thing President Trump has said or done or not done in the last four years wouldn't pay attention to everything he says? The same people that have called for science experts like fauci to be fired?

Yeah those people...


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jmm1837

miss lindsey - I suspect Americans are much more closely aligned and loyal to their preferred parties than Canadians or Australians are.

I've voted, at different times, for all three of the major parties in Canada at the federal level, and two at the provincial level. Like a lot of people, my views are probably slightly left of center on some issues, slightly right of center on others, so I will vote for the party best representing my views at the time of the election, and that's often a changing feast.

In Australia, where voting is far more complicated (there is no "first past the post" system, it's a combination of preferential and proportional voting) I tend to put the worst candidate/party at the bottom of my list and work up from there. In the last federal election, I recall that meant working up from candidate/party 7 to 1 for the House, and from 110 up on the Senate ballot, so I had to cast a vote for about 40 different parties before getting to my top preferences. :-( It took me forever to research the candidates beforehand. The upside of that system is that, while there will always be party loyalists who vote in line with party instructions on where to put their preferences, there are lots of "free range" voters who are not particularly tied to any party at all.


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HamiltonGardener

It sounds as though your posts here on the topics you choose to comment on led me to believe you are more conservative than you are,


I suppose that is because I don’t really post much on issues I support because there are already so many people supporting it. Some threads just becomes a bunch of people agreeing with each other. The “echo chamber” ak ok is mentioning. And many of the topics I may not agree with involve Trump, but I don’t usually insert opinions on the Americans choice of leadership.


I mean, I do think Trump is an idiot, but the fact is that it’s really none of my business who is chosen as leader of a country I don’t live in. That’s their choice, not mine, so I avoid those threads, which EVERY thread eventually devolves into. Heck, I just posted a thread about wearing masks and within a couple posts, it’s already about Trump.


Now you are an American transplanted to Canada, IIRC, and Nana lives in Florida 6 months a year, so you guys can have an opinion on the internal business there.


So that just leaves some of the less popular issues. Because this is mainly a left leaning board, avoiding the echo chamber means looking like a righty.


I also hang out on some right leaning websites, and there they think I’m some sort of communist pinko.

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Nana H

Four months of the year....

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HamiltonGardener

I stand corrected. 😬

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Nana H

Even though I am in the States 4 months every year I rarely comment on truly internal issues. Yes, I have lots to say about Trump because, as President of the United States , he has huge impacts on our economic security and safety and that of the entire world.

On issues like healthcare, immigration and rascism I offer my perspective on the general issue but never would I presume to tell Americans what they should do. Gun control may be the one I cross the line on.

ETA I think many here would be surprised how centrist I actually am. Socially liberal but definitely fiscally conservative. The $300 payout to OAS recipients makes me nuts. Will be interesting to see who the Conservative leader will be......I'm low hanging fruit.


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heri_cles

Trump can't admit he was wrong about hydroxychloroquine.....or anything else. He's such a dufus.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

President Trump's health decisions are no one's business.

I disagree. A president's health does concern US citizens which is why each year his physical exam and details about his health are made public.

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HamiltonGardener

Nana,

If MacKay wins it, I may vote conservative. I think any of the others and not a chance.

Im not happy with the amount of money flowing out the door right now, it’s gotten excessive. It has become an anchor on any economic recovery. But, I won’t vote Green again and neither will I vote NDP in its current form. I may be voting Liberal again depending on the conservative leadership race results.

My area is usually NDP territory.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Now apparently trump says he's going to stop taking the drug in a day or two...say what?!?

If you are taking it preventatively, then if you stop, any benefit goes away.

SMH

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maifleur03

This thread was the first time I have seen that Trump is taking continual medicine for an STD. There are only two STD's that require long term medication that I am aware of, herpes or HIV to prevent going into full blown AIDS. Herpes is believed cause a type of dementia. Double whammy is that some herpes medication can cause mental confusion.

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blfenton

Re the $300 OAS payout - it drives me nuts as well BUT - we don't have prescriptions that now only have a 30 day fill but the same dispensing fee, we're not having to take transit because friends can't drive us, etc. The goal I guess is to pay those little extra fees that aren't normally a burden. I would have preferred a means test of some sort. Ours is going to the food bank.

I have liked Peter McKay in the past but I'll have to see if he is still the same man.

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Stan Areted

President Trump's health decisions are no one's business.

jerzeegirl:

I disagree. A president's health does concern US citizens which is why each year his physical exam and details about his health are made public.


Think about your response to my statement and you should realize you did not respond to the topic, and further, your "disagreement" had nothing to do with my statement, which is absolutely true--President Trump's health decisions are no one's business.

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heri_cles

He made them our business by promoting Hydroxymoron and suntanning for the elderly.

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bleusblue2

Stan Areted

Like the people that have done nothing but criticize every single thing President Trump has said or done or not done in the last four years would pay attention to anything he says? The same people that have referred to his supporters as deplorables, selfish, stupid?

The President's supporters know better than that.

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It's been obvious for a long time that the president is a danger to the US. If his supporters don't see it now they will be forced to see it later. He has drawn all this anger to him by his own actions and it all goes by his fans. Adultery is one of his minor sins -- yet not long ago adulterers were outed and kicked out of election campaigns. He adores attention, craves it, ramps it up -- he gets attention -- if only it were for good deeds. Trump University -- not a one-off. He's a liar and a cheat and it's documented. His supporters know better than that? Really?

ETA -- if he's re-elected, the US is finished.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

President Trump's health decisions are no one's business.

He doesn't think so -- now he's talking about when his course of

hydroxycloroquine ends.


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terezosa / terriks

ETA -- if he's re-elected, the US is finished.

I'm happy that I had the foresight to marry a Canadian 36 years ago. 😊

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blfenton

Ok I'm confused - so what's the idea being taking hydroxychloroquine? You only have to take it for 10-12 days and then you won't get covid19? At all? ever?

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jmm1837

Who knows? I'm sure Trump doesn't.

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HamiltonGardener

Blfenton,

That explains why Africa hasn’t had nearly as many deaths. Lots of people have taken anti malarial drugs before.

^^^^^ *predicting next avenue of proof*



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lurker111

if he's re-elected, the US is finished

Well, that might be true for the DNC, and America would flourish.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

^^^ Yeah sure lurker, all of this present day flourishing is getting tiresome.

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Nana H

New, very large international study has shown that HydroxyC greatly increases the risk of death in hospitalized covid patients. Although not a study of it's use as a prophylactic many medical experts are urging the FDA to revoke it's emergency use status.

Trump has announced a surprise press conference .....bet he keeps promoting it. The man has no idea how to say he may have been wrong.

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Annie Deighnaugh

The Lancet, today:

We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

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HamiltonGardener

Jeez... The UK government has put in for a bulk purchase of hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment for COVID-19 just in case.

Well, if it’s an ineffective treatment, at least everyone with Lupus will be covered for years.

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elvis

jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

This. Will. Kill. You'

I feel confident that POTUS is taking this drug under the supervision of his physician, who is no doubt monitoring for possible side effects.

Hydroxychloroquine is a quinoline medicine used to treat or prevent malaria. Hydroxychloroquine is used to treat lupus erythematosus and rheumatoid arthritis.

Did hydroxychloroquine kill these patients^^^?

I don't think so.

Here's some info on this drug:

For the Consumer

Applies to hydroxychloroquine: oral tablet

Along with its needed effects, hydroxychloroquine may cause some unwanted effects. Although not all of these side effects may occur, if they do occur they may need medical attention...Some side effects of hydroxychloroquine may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects...

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/hydroxychloroquine-side-effects.html


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jmm1837

In my little world, taking a drug with well documented side effects makes sense only when the risk of those side effects is outweighed by the known benefit. That is not the case for Hydroxychloroquine in a covid 19 setting. Poor judgment to take it; even poorer judgment to extol its questionable benefit to mass audiences.

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Diane@426

If anyone is interested I found this article on CNN. It appears that the evidence is mixed, but there are some promising signs about the use of this drug on Covid. Unfortunately my mom, who is 88 and in a nursing home, has Covid, and they are using it in conjunction with antibiotics. She is doing better but not out of the woods yet. I am praying that it does help her.


Information on Hydroxycloroquine

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jmm1837

The times are changing and that article has been surpassed by events. A very recent study suggests an increased risk of mortality with the use of Hydroxychloroquine.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

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shaxhome(Frog Rock, Australia 9b)

To paraphrase the information in the Lancet article linked above...

"A malaria drug that U.S. President Donald Trump says
he has been taking
to avoid contracting COVID-19 has been linked to
increased risk of death in patients with the disease, according to a
study published in a prominent medical journal.

The study, published Friday in The Lancet, monitored more than 96,000
COVID-19 hospital patients. It found that people treated with
hydroxychloroquine, or the related drug chloroquine, were more likely to
develop an irregular heartbeat that could cause sudden death."

I feel confident that the POTUS is not taking this drug. Surely he's not stupid enough to play Russian roulette. Oh, wait a moment...

From the World's Foremost Medical Journal




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Annie Deighnaugh

elvis: I feel confident...

What you *feel* is not relevant to the fact that the president has been touting and now purportedly taking a drug that has been known to *increase* mortality for covid patients and has heart arrhythmias as a side effect.

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KarenS, NYC

I read over a week ago that trials w/ this drug in Brazil for those already hospitalized were halted when the patients started having cardiac problems.

Diane@426

Sorry to hear your Mom is ill. If her breathing is compromised & you have not already heard about this, ask her nursing home staff to turn her over onto her stomach. It's been found to improve their breathing significantly & help them avoid or get off ventilators. Sending healing thoughts her way.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

This. Will. Kill. You'

Elvis: You misquoted me. I did not say this. Neil Cavuto did.

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deegw

Has Trump or anyone on the task force talked about blanket antibody testing of the administration? I would think that info would be valuable but I haven't seen any mention of it.

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Gizmo

jerzeegirl:

I disagree. A president's health does concern US citizens which is
why each year his physical exam and details about his health are made
public.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So far, he hasn't had one this year, I wonder why?

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Ziemia(6a)

France bans hydroxychloroquine as COVID-19 treatment

France has banned hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, its government announced Wednesday.

French officials canceled a previous decree that permitted doctors to provide the anti-malaria medicine to certain patients suffering from COVID-19, Reuters reported. The cancellation is set to go into effect immediately.


https://thehill.com/policy/international/499666-france-bans-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid-19-treatment?amp

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bleusblue2


https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/france-italy-belgium-act-to-stop-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-over-safety-fears-1.5586220


France, Italy, Belgium act to stop use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 over safety fears


WHO recently said it was putting a temporary pause on drug in multinational trial


EXCERPT

France, Italy and Belgium acted to halt the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat patients suffering from COVID-19, the illness caused by the novel coronavirus, amid questions about the safety of the generic anti-malaria drug.


France on Wednesday cancelled a decree allowing hospital doctors to dispense the medicine, while the Italian Medicine Agency (AIFA) suspended authorization to use hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 outside clinical trials.


Belgium's medicine agency warned against using the drug to treat the virus, except within ongoing clinical registered trials. It said trials aiming to evaluate the drug should also take potential risks into consideration.


The sudden changes highlight the challenge for governments as they scramble to find ways to treat patients and control a virus that has spread rapidly around the world over the past few months, killing more than 350,000 people and infecting millions.


It also illustrates at least a temporary about-face for regulators on a d

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Kitchenwitch111

Those awful European countries just trying to make Trump look bad

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