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Do you use extra precautions when picking up food?

bbstx
3 years ago

I’m skittish about pick-up. I’m not going into a restaurant for a long time, but I’m getting less and less enthusiastic about every day cooking.


For take out, I can see many opportunities for the food or the containers or the sacks to be handled by others. We did take out once - picked up steaks, baked potatoes, and asparagus. NO salad. When we got home, it was all removed from the containers and went into a 350 degree oven for 5 minutes (I ordered the steaks underdone). It was then plated on our plates. Only I touched any sacks or containers or food. There was LOTS of hand washing. Since then, I just haven’t bothered.


You may ask why 5 minutes at 350. I either read or heard on public radio that 5 minutes in a 350 degree oven would kill corona cooties. I have no idea if it is true. The speaker went on to say that microwaving the food to re-heat it wouldn’t accomplish the same thing. The 5 minutes of heat were crucial.


Any tips on how your are handling take-out food?

Comments (42)

  • plllog
    3 years ago

    We haven't had any issues with any of it. There was a TV doctor who was in the nervous bunch, but all the public health experts have said that there is no known transmission from food or food packaging. I know Texas is more wild west than some places. We have a restaurant grading system for health department regulations. A "C" means safe though can't do all the recommended routines, but the pressure to have an "A" is immense, so they push to do everything they can.

    We haven't done pickup, though i know someone who is pretty lax about precautions, though should be in the don't leave the house group, and picks up dinner most days, buys groceries once or twice a week, and does other errands. He's fine. Locally, the infection rate is about 4-5%.

    We order in, once every week or two. I try to remove the outer bags which are supposed to be the most likely vector, then wash my hands, but I don't worry about the containers or the food (which arrives hot).

    Re the food itself, you don't have enough of the right kind of receptors for the virus to get into in your alimentary system to get it going down, and your stomach acid will kill it. The latest word is that how badly you get it depends on strength of exposure. Being coughed on (as nurses are) is the worst. A few odd viral particles from incidental transfer, are supposed to be very unlikely to get you sick. Someone coughing into their hands then handling your packages, and you getting your hands all over the packages, and sticking your fingers in your nose, are what to look out for. Wash your hands. Wash your hands. But the food should be fine if you wash your hands.

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  • sas95
    3 years ago

    We order in once a week. I transfer the food to bowls and put leftovers away in our own containers. I throw out the takeout containers, wipe the counters and wash my hands. The food arrives hot and we don't reheat it. We have also eaten salads. All has been fine, and if I do get the virus I don't believe it will be from the takeout food, though I obviously could be wrong.

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    last modified: 3 years ago

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  • bbstx
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Thank you all. I grew up with a semi-germaphobe mom (Do NOT use my hair brush!); DH grew up with a more laissez-faire mom (Here’s my spoon, would you like a bite of this?). DH is the one with the health problems. I worry about him not being vigilant enough (we seem to have frequent arguments about how long 20 seconds is. Alexa is the tie-breaker).


    I’m not worried about the food per se, but I do worry about contamination from the containers and other packaging getting on our hands, face, etc. I‘d heard Dr Birx say that ingesting the virus was not dangerous, but inhaling it is.


    Our local doc has a blog. He posted a link to a website with a mortality predictor. DH has a 12% chance of surviving the disease. I have a 95% chance. Our local infection rate seems to be about 2%, but it is rising.


    @amylou321, your chicken sandwich sounds delish. Did you put dill pickle juice in the batter (a la Chick-Fil-A)? I would love to have a Chick-Fil-A sandwich, extra pickles, right now. I have done more frying in the last 8 weeks than I’ve done since we moved into this house. I’m going to have to do a deep cleaning with special attention to the cabinets very soon. With it being just me and DH, I usually run the dishwasher every other day. I ran it twice yesterday!!


    @plllog, I’ll try to keep my fingers out of my nose, especially while handling take out food. 🤣🤣 Seriously, I never realized how much I touch my face until all this started. I rub my eyes, brush my bangs back, scratch my cheek, push up my glasses, and on, and on. I’m working at breaking myself but its an uphill battle.


    I HATE THE BEST ANSWER FOLDEROL!!! Hit the wrong place while scrolling and suddenly, you’ve anointed someone ”Best Answer.” Morz8, your answer was good (Mexican food sounds like such a treat these days and I’d totally eat all the guac), but so was everyone else’s. Houzz, we are having a conversation, not a competition!!!!

  • carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    People in my area are really sketchy, when it comes to following all the safety guidelines, so even if a restaurant may be taking lots of precautions, there's no guarantee the staff is when they're not at work, so we haven't had any takeout or delivery at all, which is no problem for hubby & me, but my 89 year old mom loves takeout food and has been pining for it. (She also has memory issues, and has to be reminded why we're not doing this.)

    I guess I'm saying there are a number of issues to take into consideration...

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  • czarinalex
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    We got take out for lunch a few times. Fish tacos, fish & chips. Ate out on the patio, didn't bring anything in the house. We also got poke one night. These are all restaurants we order from often pre corona. Took the necessary precautions, washed hands before and after. It was a tiny bit of almost normalcy and I enjoyed it immensely.

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  • 3katz4me
    3 years ago

    We get curbside pickup from two places in our neighborhood. It was kind of a relief when we started doing this - to have a couple nights a week that I didn’t have to come up with something for dinner. Like groceries, the containers stop in the laundry room coming in from the garage. One of us handles the “contaminated” containers and the other pulls the food out with utensils and plates it. We don’t reheat anything in the oven but we do sometimes put pizza in our warming drawer.

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  • bbstx
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    3katz, good point about delis. On my last grocery order, I got pre-packaged ham and pastrami rather than meat that had been handled in the deli. I wiped down the packages with PGA before putting them in the fridge. The quality was much lower (especially the pastrami), but my anxiety level was also lower.

  • daki
    3 years ago

    We’ve been getting take out from some of our normal restaurants since early March. While we are very cognizant of staying safe (helps that both of us are introverts), we have been comfortable with getting takeout from our local restaurants. There are about 5 of them in our rotation. A couple of these places seemed to be mostly takeout prior to all of this, so I hope they survive.

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  • blfenton
    3 years ago

    No take out/pick-up here. I don't have a lot of trust in restaurant food as it is and as a result we seldom go out.

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  • chispa
    3 years ago

    We've gotten take-out from several restaurants and aren't worried. My teen son loves a local Poke bar restaurant that makes a poke bowls from ingredients that you pick. So kind of like sushi with vegetable in a bowl. We've had that a few times. I think I have a better chance of getting food poisoning from raw fish, than I do of getting cornavirus from them.

    We've also been supporting a local bagel company and get a delivery every week.

    We stopped wiping down all the food after a supermarket run after 2 weeks.

    We even eat street food in third world countries!

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  • annie1992
    3 years ago

    We did split a grilled ham and cheese sandwich from the local A&W, and I've ordered sandwiches from a local BBQ place. Packaging goes directly into the trash, food goes on plates, then I wash my hands. We seldom went out to eat before this, so I don't really miss it.

    I do stop at the local coffee shop and get Mother a latte every week when I take her groceries and meals to her. The baristas always wear masks and so do I, and they wear disposable gloves, a fresh pair with each order. I still wipe the cup with a disinfectant wipe before I give it to Mother.

    And, like Carol, Mother has memory issues. She's 84 and doesn't remember why no one is allowed to visit her or why she can't hug all the grandkids.

    Dave's Grandmother is 95 and now has pneumonia. She says she WILL see her family, she's 95 and could die tomorrow, so everyone went there for Mother's Day. I think if I were faced with the possibility of living a couple more years but never seeing my family again or taking a chance on infection with my family around me, I'd take the risk too.

    Annie

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  • Oakley
    3 years ago

    We wear gloves picking up food. After the food goes on our plate we microwave it for about a minute because that's what I read. :)

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  • bbstx
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    I’m not afraid of most restaurants. I’ve eaten in some pretty sketchy ones (the worst was probably a restaurant in Honolulu featured in Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives. It had no bathroom. Instead there was a huge jug of hand sanitizers by the cash register).

  • IdaClaire
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    We didn't eat out before so aren't doing pickup now. I do grab a premade salad from my workplace inhouse cafe most days, but our catering staff is rigorously monitored and careful measures are in place for food prep, so it's not something I'm concerned about. I'm almost positive I've had the virus based upon breathing symptoms that are identical to a friend's who did test positive. I still err on the side of caution at all times though, as there just isn't enough known about immunity or reinfection.

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  • mtnrdredux_gw
    3 years ago

    I'd say we probably have done take out 4 or 5 times. The other day, Chinese food. Pizza twice. The three other times were family meals from a gourmet restaurant, since I miss that more than pizza.


    We do curbside contactless payment and pickup, wash our hands, wash our hands and wash our hands. I am of the general opinion that surface transmission is not a huge risk. so we wash our hands. And then we wash our hands.

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  • CA Kate z9
    3 years ago

    I have,on rare occasion, gotten take-out from one of the local restaurants. I too bring it home; take it out of all containers to my own plate or storage box; throw away all containes; then wash my hands before eating the food. I only heat it up if it's suppose to be hot. (Salads don't heat very good. ) So far it seems to be OK.

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  • runninginplace
    3 years ago

    I'm on the Chispa/Mtn end of the scale. We've done takeout a few times and I don't take special precautions, nor do I sanitize groceries we buy. I have stopped using our own bags, although we keep the grocery plastics to use as trash can liners. In general we prefer to eat my home cooked meals at home so it hasn't been a big issue anyway.


    Like Mtn my primary effort is on washing my hands extensively, and not touching my face, when I do go out. I keep a bottle of hand sanitizer next to our front door and give my hands a squirt, then open our door then go into our downstairs apartment and throughly wash my hands every time I return from leaving our property. Then I bring everything in and wash my hands again upstairs. Then I unload. Then I wash my hands again ;).


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  • Tina Marie
    3 years ago

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  • mama goose_gw zn6OH
    3 years ago

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  • nosoccermom
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  • sleevendog (5a NY 6aNYC NL CA)
    3 years ago

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    All our delivery drivers are masked and they leave packages 10-20 feet from our front or side garage door. We tip in an envelope placed on the back of the truck bed in the driveway. Or taped to the front door.

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    Hopefully things and thinking might change. 20 years ago I took at least twenty bags of salad/mesculn mix triple washed to the senior center and they would not take it. (they serve processed cups of sugary fruit cocktail, etc)

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    Then I had a local official stop by telling me with firm words that I cannot do that.

    This needs to change. My garden is organic.








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  • chispa
    3 years ago

    Antibacterial soap is/was never used in out house. I do basic common sense hand washing.


    I am more worried of the long term effects of more people becoming germophones, using more antibacterial products, companies developing more antibaterial products to market to those germaphobes and all together causing more problems with antibiotic resistance. That fear and change in behavior will have much more deadly repercussion than this one virus.

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  • burrata
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Have only picked up food twice since this started. The only precautions I took was to serve the food on my own dishes, immediately dispose of the boxes the food came in and to then wash my hands. I don't sanitize groceries or relegate online orders received to quarantine before opening. I practice hand washing using a handmade bar soap.

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  • deegw
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    tigereye, it's not thought that that the virus can be transmitted through food. But out of an abundance of caution, we reheat take-out to kill any potential contaminates. Not because we receive cold food.

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  • bbstx
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    I, too, do not use antibacterial soap, mainly for the reasons outlined by chispa . Pre-CV my germaphobia was satisfied with simply washing with soap, cleaning countertops with something like Mrs. Meyers and, occasionally, with isopropyl alcohol. Lately, I’ve been using Dr. Bronner’s Peppermint Soap. A week or two ago, I mixed up a new batch for the kitchen hand soap dispenser. I harp on DH all the time to rub his hands together vigorously enough to make suds. Whatever I did, I could not make suds. So, I poured another glug of soap into the dispenser thinking I had not eyeballed the proportions correctly. Still wouldn’t suds up. After a day or two, I noticed the smell wasn’t peppermint. It was lemony. I had been washing my hands for two weeks with Mrs. Meyers Lemon Verbena Countertop Cleaner! 🤦🏻‍♀️

  • burrata
    3 years ago

    bbstx, that's funny! Have you ever tried the fall scents from Mrs. Meyer's? Acorn Spice and Apple Cider are my favorites.

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  • bbstx
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Burrata I’m a Lemon Verbena girl all the way!


    Today I read an opinion piece from Bloomberg. It was a re-print on Yahoo. I loved this comment:

    Cevik has been collecting and reviewing papers from around the world on disease transmission. “There are some trends emerging,” she says. “Spending time dining together, being in public transport,” might risk spreading the disease, but “going to a market briefly, for five minutes or a transient encounter while you walk or run past someone, those are low risks.” {emphasis added}


    Who goes to the market and only spends five minutes??? Has this person every bought groceries?

  • mtnrdredux_gw
    3 years ago

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  • Tina Marie
    3 years ago

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  • artemis_ma
    3 years ago

    Mtndredux, the fresh produce delivery system sounds wonderful! Those should truly be considered staples!


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  • artemis_ma
    3 years ago
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    I have a roll of paper towels - should I need t use a hand rail or a door handle. Stored in my car.

    There's a rapidly dwindling supply of alcohol based sanitary wipes. Stored in my car.

    The small local grocery is now having people call orders in and they drop them out - this keeps us folk from handling the items IN the store. I was just there today - needed Liquid Plumbr for a stopped up sink, so figured I should order some other stuff at the same time. (Asparagus, chicken, ziplock bags, cheese).

    I wipe down the touchables in my car after I return to it, and when I get home I quarantine all non-perishables (or wipe the outsides down as in the case of the Liquid Plumr). Until just about a week ago, I could keep perishables in my car for a night or two but we are now getting warmer. The asparagus would be fine even now. Oh, yes, I scrub down upon house re-entry, and hit the house door handle too.

    For what I'm doing, since I'm raising chickens for egg production, is bringing a dozen eggs (last Friday, two dozen) over to the local community center. Donation basis. (I used to sell them, but even with selling them for the price that is usual up here, I never made a profit anyways...) Donate... I can't eat them all, and others can.


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  • l pinkmountain
    3 years ago

    If you have good restaurants nearby that you trust to use good sanitation practices with their workers (for their safety as well as yours) then I wouldn't hesitate to order out. We have zilch as far as restaurants where I like the food, not even a decent take out pizza place, and I trust none of them on sanitation, even before this pandemic. So I wouldn't order out, but if there was a place that I trusted and liked before, I would order out just to help the business at the very least. I've had to develop home cooking techniques for just this reason, living in a restaurant desert. Too bad too, because under the right circumstances, I love eating out, particularly outside and for breakfast.

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  • amylou321
    3 years ago

    Sorry it took so long to answer....

    No pickle juice in my marinade. SO absolutely detests all things "sour". Pickles,mustard, green apples,anything like that. So he says.

    I marinade my chicken for a few hours in "bootleg buttermilk" (milk with a splash of vinegar) and a blend of spices that have been touted as the KFC secret spice blend. I got the recipe from that Chicago Tribune (or something) article in which some relative of Sanders claimed to have the secret blend and published it. I am not convinced but the blend is tasty. I make a big batch of it to keep on hand and use it in both the marinade and the dredge,a mix of flour and cornstarch,heavily seasoned with the spice blend and some seasoning salt. Toasted brioche bun,and a sauce made from mayo,hot sauce, paprika,garlic powder and onion powder. I do not make them often, but they are good for a treat once in a while.

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