Tall but not wide. Cream white peach.

The much maligned Madame Anisette may work well. Not a tree rose.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4391431/any-updates-on-madame-anisette

All 374 comments are illustrative.

Be sure not to miss the word “jagermeister”.

Tall, not wide would be princess Charlene de Monaco for me ... wouldn’t make a good tree though.

If I chose a tree form , bolero would be good there !!

Another rose you may love but somewhere else , is bliss

Pope John Paul standard

I grow Kiwi and have grown grape. Are you able to keep those confined and off a rose? Mine completely swamp the area and will grow up trees if I don't catch them. What Kiwi are you growing? There is a smaller one (Issa?) that male/female that I grow, but it's now showing signs of world domination.

Desdemona is not too tall and not too wide :). Very fragrant. Madame Anisette is not very wide and can probably outcompete both your kiwi and grape lol.

Thank you, everyone, I will have to look into those roses.

Vaporvac I thin out my grape on the top of the pergola otherwise it would go everywhere. I had the wrong kiwi female in there for two years so it did not take off. I just put in the right female a year ago but it's not growing that fast. I might just have to say goodbye to my kiwis and I think its Issa or red kiwi.

Yes, some are either male or female. From what I've noticed, those tend to be vigorous growers. The Issa is both male and female and is a smaller grower. They are so delicious.

In the link I provided ( above), do not miss daniela’s legendary photo of her MA overunning the obelisk. I believe it is closer to the end ( “1 year ago”) than the beginning. Rivaling nanadoll’s Julia Child pic.

It seems that Moses’ original post in that discussion can no longer be seen. That is unfortunate. Another impression after rereading parts of it now: Sad that chris no longer regularly comments here. She was very helpful; a Rose Forum mvp.

It would be nice to add that I would like a long vase life too.