Contractor put staggered instead of stacked tile - how hard to change?
Sofia Shan
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Comments (6)The 350.00 bid was way low. I did one tub about 3 weeks ago. A remodeling contractor called me and asked me for a price to do a tub for this woman. He wanted me to give HER the price directly, so she could save as much as possible. Apparently she'd recently separated from her husband, and was getting the house ready for sale, and it was recommended to her by her realtor to change out the tub, being that the one she had was stained and pretty ugly. Well, when they went to pull the first course of tile so they could pull the tub, the walls literally fell apart. In addition, she'd just found out she had cancer and was starting chemo and radiation (this all being told to me by the contractor who I'd worked with before and trusted, especially being he wasn't making anything off of it), and so was out of work because of feeling so sick from the treatment of the cancer, so I felt sorry for her and gave her a break. My normal price for a tub enclosure is 800.00, and that's about normal for up here. When I told her 350.00 (coincidentally), the contractor's head whipped around so fast I was afraid he'd given himself a good whiplash. I got downstairs and he kept asking me if I was sure. I finally told him this was my good deed for 2009-- don't question it. :-)...See Morecontractor change order - please help
Comments (20)I would ask for a copy of the invoice from the disposal company as well as an accounting of the extra labor that was required. Demoing plaster and lathe does take more time than drywall (did they take haz mat precautions for it due to possible lead/asbestos content? That would add time and difficulty to the process.) For frame of reference, we were going to be charged about $1200 extra in labor to remove plaster/lathe in a stairwell, the only part of our remodel that didn't have drywall. We opted to demo that ourselves. Also for frame of reference -- I'm in Seattle, so not sure how the costs compare, but here are some numbers. Our 30 yard dumpster got emptied 13 times, at $120 a pop just for changing out the dumpster for a fresh one, plus a fuel recovery fee of $23 each time. We had two types of loads that went out -- dirt was by the yard (we had a basement partially dug out) and other debris was by the ton. It was $89 per yard or per ton. Aside from dirt, we had about 60 tons of material hauled away, which included drywall, wood framing members that couldn't be reused, some rock, plaster, lathe, pipes, garbage, tiles, old vinyl siding, a set of stairs, cedar siding that was not usable, and lots of chunks of concrete. Reusable stuff (windows, shower stall, bath vanity) got listed on Craigslist. This was from a 1400 sq. ft basement which was about 50% finished, including the floor (half the basement had only dirt and rock floor, the other half had a poor quality slab we had demolished so we could pour a whole new slab). Some smaller loads of debris were taken out by the contractor themselves, and I don't have a separate accounting of that. So -- are the charges legit? They might well be, but your contractor did not handle this well. Change orders should be agreed to in writing before the work is done, although in our case we had a comfortable relationship with the contractor and we were able to OK things verbally or via email and deal with the actual signatures later -- but before any work happened, it was discussed and a price was given so I could make an informed decision. Even if this is a legitimate expense and couldn't have been avoided, this is a good time to push back and put them on notice that they can't screw up the communication like that again. I would let them know that it was not acceptable that they sprang this on you -- if the increase in cost is really due to it being plaster/lathe instead of drywall, they should have known as soon as they started demolition that a big change order would be necessary and they should have warned you at that point. Ask for the paperwork backing up the increase in fees/labor. Unless you are bound by something in the contract that requires you to approve change orders within a certain amount of time, hold onto it and put off signing it until you near the end of the project (assuming you decide it is legit). That should help keep them on their toes (this is a tactic I stole from Amy Johnson's invaluable book, What Your Contractor Can't Tell You -- which you should have a copy of! See link below.) Hope that helps as something to compare to. Good luck with the rest of your remodel. I hope you included wine in your budget for those days when you need it! Here is a link that might be useful: What Your Contractor Can't Tell You...See More1/8” glass mosaic tile - hard to work with?
Comments (16)Thank you everyone for the feedback. My builder got back to me and said that "If you like this tile we can make it work. It’s just not ideal, as it requires more time to do the installation properly. We have done it many times before." "We use the Hydro-Guard waterproofing system in the custom showers and have never had a leak. We also use only epoxy grout in the showers." He uses certified tilers. We live in a small town in a rural area and our builder is top notch. People aren't in business long in a small community if they do crappy work. He only builds a handful of homes at a time, all custom and not part of a housing development or group. He's been building homes in our area for over 10 years and I've seen many of the homes he has built. I am confident in his abilities and his subcontractors. Several of my friends have homes built by him and are not disappointed. When talking with him further about the issue, it's more time involved and ultimately more costly to me. But he can do it and will do it if I want. I just need to evaluate if it's really the best decision in the long run in the 3 areas - shower accent, bathtub back splash and vanity backsplash I appreciate the comments about the niche. I do not like niche's. I am having a shower bench. seat and will put my shampoos and stuff on that along with my bottom if I need to sit. The accent tile is going to be a 1' wide top to bottom feature in my shower. All the pieces together remind me of the ocean and to me, give it a relaxing spa feel. All the colors worked well together - the picture I posted looks ok - but the colors really work well and look even better in person. I am rethinking using it for the vanity backsplashes as I don't like cleaning grout. I was originally going to use my counter top material - Pental Misterio Quart - for the backsplash. but feel that's rather boring since the cabinets are white and the counter white, the mosaic tile would bring some color to the vanities. The bathroom walls are painted SW Mineral Deposit. I really like the look of the glass and will try and find another option for the vanity backsplash in a complimentary color and perhaps use it for the bathtub backsplash as well. Attached is an inspiration pic of the shower with a vertical accent piece and a corner shower seat. I like the offset vertical band (not centered on the wall). This is similar to what mine will look like. Those these aren't the same colors....See MoreHelp! Contractor did not put waterproofing under shower floor
Comments (24)@Jake The Wonderdog Thanks for explaining that to me. I think my contractor is focusing on the concrete, too, which is preventing him from engaging with the real problem: the wood in the house. I found out that the contractor did a curbless shower *with waterproofing* in the other house he was working on in our neighborhood. The house has the same kind of concrete floors as us, but this client wanted tile instead of concrete on the floor of the shower. The contractor told my husband this made the shower fundamentally different from ours; the other shower required waterproofing and ours did not. I cannot understand where he is coming from, and he hasn't explained beyond the fact that a plumber told him the drain was fine and that all the materials used in the shower were acceptable for that environment. However, I haven't been able to find anything that justifies no waterproofing layer in a shower when the "floor" is the slab. And he has not yet engaged specifically with this point. My understanding is that there is no way to achieve this look and follow code unless you recess the shower, build it up with the layers, and then pour another layer of concrete on top, which would be essentially analogous to tile (the decorative covering we see). Is that accurate? One last question: If my contractor tells us "I just did what you wanted," is that valid? I was under the impression that if the homeowner suggests something that is not to code or problematic in some other way, the contractor still has to follow the codes and standards of the industry. It seems like we hired an architect and contractor for their expertise . . . specifically because we are not design and building experts....See MoreAngel 18432
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