Feds dropping support for cv testing sites...

Annie Deighnaugh

How does this make any sense???

We don't have any where near sufficient testing as it is with what we have. We can't lift these stay at home restrictions unless we identify and isolate those with the disease through testing.

Why on earth are they doing this?? I am more than outraged. $500B slush fund for trump to give to his corporate donors, but we can't get federal support for virus testing?

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Some local officials are disappointed the federal government will end funding for coronavirus testing sites this Friday. In a few places those sites will close as a result. This as criticism continues that not enough testing is available.....

A spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services tells NPR, "Many of the Community-Based Testing Sites (CBTS) are not closing, but rather transitioning to state-managed sites on or about April 10."

The agency and a spokesperson for FEMA say the CBTS program originally included 41 sites. It was intended as a stop-gap to bring testing to critical locations, especially for health care facility workers and first responders.

"The transition will ensure each state has the flexibility and autonomy to manage and operate testing sites within the needs of their specific community and to prioritize resources where they are needed the most," the HHS spokesperson said. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829955099/federal-support-for-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears?fbclid=IwAR0hO2pl6jtH3xa9Zv5ahMdwxLkcfQvcyEsmND8_99L8KpjFMcsgj9vvYlk

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Testing in this country has been an abject failure, most likely an attempt to cover up how widespread this virus has actually gone. And yet testing is the key to everything-flattening the curve, producing a vaccine, understanding how to react to a virus in the future. Let's face it - scientific inquiry is not a strong suit of this administration. But, hey, it's all on Trump's head - he's the president.

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adoptedbyhounds

FTA: A spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services tells NPR, "Many of the Community-Based Testing Sites (CBTS) are not closing, but rather transitioning to state-managed sites on or about April 10."

FTA: Arkoosh says local hospitals do have their own testing sites set up now, but it's not yet clear if they will be able to handle the extra testing now that the federal help is being withdrawn.

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Toby

I just read that they're going to monitor virus-free areas so the virus doesn't make a toe-hold there. What was curious is that they won't name those communities. They would only say that Wyoming is one of the areas that will be monitored. Makes you wonder if these selected areas will be in districts or states that vote GOP.

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Ziemia(6a)

The feds are pulling their funding.

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Kathy

We should be ramping up testing but if Trump did that he would be exposing the depth and breadth of the virus which is something he wants to cover up. Unfortunately we cannot get back to a semi normal without more deaths from the virus if we don’t have that information.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Trump : "Everybody that wants a test can get a test"...........oops, just kidding with hopes for dopes.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

So health care workers are infecting people because they can't get tested. This is a scandal.

In Michigan, one of the few hospital systems conducting widespread staff testing found that more than 700 workers were infected with the coronavirus - more than a quarter of those tested. More than a month after the pandemic hit the United States, the persistent test shortages mean that health workers are treating patients while experiencing mild symptoms that could signal they are infected themselves, according to Reuters interviews with 13 nurses and 2 doctors who described testing shortages at their hospitals. Many medical centers are testing only the workers with the most severe symptoms, according to the frontline workers and hospital officials. As a result, nurses and doctors risk infecting patients, colleagues and their families without knowing they are carrying the virus, medical experts say.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Does this testing scandal have anything to do with Jared via Oscar Health? Not sure. Link

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llucy

We can't lift these stay at home restrictions unless we identify and isolate those with the disease through testing.

If someone tests positive they can be told to self quarantine and hopefully will even if they are asymptomatic. People who test negative aren't necessarily 'safe' - they could contract the virus any time after being tested. And if they are asymptomatic they don't have incentive to get tested again.

In fact, anyone who doesn't feel ill has less incentive to get randomly tested, so a number obtained that way may not accurately reflect community spread.

Antibody testing might provide a broader picture of how covid 19 has spread through particular communities and possibly a predictor of the percentage of citizens still at risk (resulting in lessening stay at home restrictions... or not) but those tests are seemingly even less available at this time.

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Annie Deighnaugh

transitioning to state-managed sites...

We already have states and hospitals that are overwhelmed with demand for scarce resources in trying to deal with this disease and massive demands for unemployment insurance and other assistance....who thinks pulling federal funding for testing at this point is a good idea?!?

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elvis

Makes you wonder if these selected areas will be in districts or states that vote GOP.

Nope, not me. It would be surprising if that "makes you wonder", as you're undoubtedly quite convinced of it.

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Toby

Sounds like you are convinced too.

Trump doesn't want a IG overseeing the coronavirus relief distribution to businesses. Trump doesn't want us to know which communities will receive monitoring.

Sounds like the Trump administration isn't so transparent after all.

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adoptedbyhounds

Hospitals now have their own testing sites set up. Community testing sites were set up as a stopgap measure. A few will close, while the others will be managed by the State.


States know where the resources are most needed, and will have the flexibility to meet those needs when they take control of their own testing. The pandemic is an evolving situation. If more resources are needed, it will be front page news, and the needs will be promptly addressed.

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wildchild2x2

They are now starting testing for antibodies. Stanford has begun testing their healthcare workers.. That makes a heck of a lot more sense than mass testing for a virus. You can test negative today and be exposed tomorrow. It's a waste of time and funds. Finding out who has had the illness and survived will be far more useful than testing for the virus.

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bleusblue2

Find out who the asymptomatic carriers are. Follow them. Do they never get the virus? Follow them.

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Kathy

We still need testing for carriers or people who have mild cases. The spread will not stop until we are aware of how widespread it is during our daily lives.

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Annie Deighnaugh

abh's hopeful and rosy glassed view: If more resources are needed, it will be front page news, and the needs will be promptly addressed.

The reality:

trump says: “I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be,” he said. “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now, all of a sudden, they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”

trump says: "There's only a couple of things that could happen — is it going out the back door? And I've reported it to the city and let the city take a look at it. But when you go to 10,000 masks to 300,000 masks... there's something going on," Trump said during a coronavirus task force briefing at the White House.

trump says: "How do you go from 10 to 20, to 300,000? Ten to 20,000 masks to 300,000?" the president asked during a Rose Garden news conference. "Where are the masks going? Are they going out the back door? How do you go from 10,000 to 300,000? And we have that in a lot of different places. So, somebody should probably look into that, because I just don't see, from a practical standpoint, how that's possible to go from that to that."

trump told governors that he hadn't heard of any testing problems on the *same call* as Gov Bullock says: “Literally we are one day away, if we don’t get test kits from the C.D.C., that we wouldn’t be able to do testing in Montana,” Mr. Bullock said.

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Izzy Mn(4)

Need to bring back the term FUBAR. It's a perfect word for how Trump and company is running this #### show.

It seems like they are doing everything wrong at every turn.

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Ziemia(6a)

ABH: "States know where the resources are most needed, and will have the flexibility to meet those needs ...*

Agreed!

However, federal funding and federal supply pipe of testing materials remains important. How else are the contributions from the Blue States going to help the poor Red States take care of fellow Americans?

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Izzy Mn(4)

States told to fend for themselves. Hospitals have desperately needed supplies orders seized by the federal government.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies

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chisue

'We' don't want to KNOW.

This is why I pay scant attention to the tallies showing the number of cases of Covid-19 *anywhere* in the world. Even the death numbers are suspect, although less so.

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Izzy Mn(4)

That's just it.. Trump doesn't want to know the true infection rate of covid-19, it would make him look bad. Is this why testing is so hard to get? If not tested then not added to the list of infected. One way to keep numbers low.


My son and I may have been exposed the beginning of March. My son was ill with a really bad cold about March-6 and me a week later, sick for 4 days. My son's office was work from home since March-12. He was just informed this morning that a co-worker tested positive and was ill for about one week the beginning of March and they think he exposed co-workers before office closed 3-12.

But since we are unable to be tested to see if we were exposed or possibly have antibodies we don't know. So we will continue acting as if we have not been exposed until we know.... but for how long should we do this?


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Annie Deighnaugh

Good news and a point to be made.

The good news: with all the complaints against the govt for doing this, they've decided they won't be pulling funding after all.

The point to be made: while the trumplicans here all complain that the left only dump on trump no matter what he does, the reality is that the complaints from the left can have an effect and can keep trump from doing things that are simply awful ideas and that are harmful.

We don't know a priori which issues our complaints may alter, so that's partly why there's so much complaining going on...though the major part of why there's so much complaining going on is because trump keeps pouring out idiotic and harmful ideas faster than a firehose.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Do not assume everyone opposed to such reckless and ill conceived actions & pronouncements by our president and his toadies is solely on the political left...

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Annie Deighnaugh

I hope you're right, carol, I hope you're right.

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mr1010

DeSantis is on now esplaining this-

There were only 3 federal testing sites in Fl. w/ 22 million people. The feds are pulling out of these. They were limited to testing only 250 per day then they closed up.

Now Fl. will take these over and test 800-1000 per day and are relaxing the strict

restrictions. Formerly only those 65 or over, healthcare workers and first responders

were eligible.

Fl. is also going to be using the fast response tests.

So he's admitting only a small fraction of residents have been eligible to be tested.

DeSantis says they've been getting good supplies of masks and PPEs.

44% of hospital beds are available in state for new patients. But they're still planning for more field hospitals, if needed.

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adoptedbyhounds

"abh's hopeful and rosy glassed view: If more resources are needed, it will be front page news, and the needs will be promptly addressed."

Nothing "rosy glassed" about that statement. Why would the MSM fail to report if more resources are needed?

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Annie Deighnaugh

abh, it's not that the news will report it...and of course trump will complain that they are nasty and fake and out to get him...but that the needs will be promptly addressed. Certainly the feds have done little to address the needs in NYC which now has more cases than any other country in the world.

Instead, you have governors complaining that the feds told them to go out and source the stuff, and then find themselves bidding against FEMA to try to get the equipment they need. Shameful.

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Ziemia(6a)

Here's the story

Following Backlash, Trump Admin Now Says Funding for COVID-19 Testing Sites Will Continue

Oh, is it fake news? From a liberal source

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-ending-coronavirus-testing-federal-funding-981234/

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Ziemia(6a)

After pushback - from Congressional members as well, the Trump admin has made a great decision in reversing part of this.

It was bipartisan pushback.

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Ziemia(6a)

Yay, Trump!

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adoptedbyhounds

"abh, it's not that the news will report it...and of course trump will complain that they are nasty and fake and out to get him...but that the needs will be promptly addressed."

Annie, I suppose Trump could ignore those needs (should they occur) giving the MSM a cudgel to use against him. I would think failure to promptly address those issues would be inconsistent with the best interests of the community, HHS, FEMA, and the President himself.

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adoptedbyhounds

Thanks for the update, Zemia. States are now free to decide what works best for them. Sounds like the right call.

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Joaniepoanie

But why does Trump always have to be bludgeoned into doing the right thing?

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Ziemia(6a)

This is basically what most Dems have wanted right along:

"Instead, the agency says local authorities can choose whether they want to transition to running the programs themselves or continue with federal oversight and help."


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adoptedbyhounds

"This is basically what most Dems have wanted right along:"

"Instead, the agency says local authorities can choose whether they want to transition to running the programs themselves or continue with federal oversight and help."

Sounds totally reasonable to me.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Annie, I suppose Trump could ignore those needs (should they occur) giving the MSM a cudgel to use against him. I would think failure to promptly address those issues would be inconsistent with the best interests of the community, HHS, FEMA, and the President himself.

Where have you been?

NYC and surrounding hospitals have been clamoring and protesting for PPE that they can't get...a friend's GF is a nurse in an area hospital and they are required to reuse the same mask and gown for a week even though she's had to treat covid patients in her unit! Some hospitals have staff wearing garbage bags as it's the only protection they can get. Meanwhile trump is seeing his friends like in FL get all they want whether they need it or not. Meanwhile he's got FEMA outbidding states for the equipment they need and kushner declaring it's "ours" not the states...who ever "our" is!

In the meantime he's carping about why should they need all this stuff and it must be going out the back door -- meaning people are stealing it -- as he simply doesn't get that NYC has 87,000 cases and over 5,000 dead.

So yes, I agree. It is absolutely in the best interests of trump and his administration that they address these needs promptly, but that's *exactly* what he's not been doing....either through vindictiveness, incompetence or neglect. It's clear he doesn't care about that...but ask him about his ratings!

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adoptedbyhounds

"Where have you been?"

Been right here, reading the concerns you and others have expressed. Learning that some states worry they're not ready to manage testing sites yet. Reading that the administration and government agencies have rethought requiring states to manage their testing sites. Delighted to learn the decision on how to move forward will be left to the states, a decision we're told is basically what Dems have wanted all along.

Win win.

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Annie Deighnaugh

The fact that they are so unaware of how stretched people and resources are is shocking. It is their job to be aware. And it is their job to know how essential testing is, how far from ideal levels of testing we are at, and to know how critical the government resources are to these testing centers to keep them open and operating ... and even open more!

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Ziemia(6a)

Gee, I agreed with ABH on the good that came from a bi-partisan push from some MoC (based on a public outcry). That push led to the Trump admin reversing a decision.

And no one else has seen fit to celebrate this change.

We have a win. Take a moment to savor it.

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Kathy

Mr1010–DeSantis got 100% of his orders twice but not Michigan. Trump plays favorites with this virus.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Yeah...a perfect phone call...you want your PPE? Do me a favor though...

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Izzy Mn(4)

Annie Deighnaugh

4 minutes ago

Yeah...a perfect phone call...you want your PPE? Do me a favor though

I would like your comment x100 if I could. We knew he would do this, no doubt in our minds. Do me a favor and don't say mean things about me. Show your appreciation to me. Say and write good things about me. Don't go against me. Vote the way I want you to......clap for me, cheer for me, have a parade for me me me.

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be happy

Kathy "We still need testing for carriers or people who have mild cases. The spread will not stop until we are aware of how widespread it is during our daily lives."

So what are you proposing? Mandatory testing?? Ha! Unless I thought I needed hospitalization I would not submit to a test even if I got sick now. I want to know more about how they are tracking those that test positive.


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Kathy

Not mandatory testing but I am sure many would be interested to know if they have antibodies or even if they might have it currently. I’m sure many of the milder cases go undiagnosed. If there are a lot of people who have had it and it was mild the death rates might not be as bad as we think. Also, maybe there will be a clue why it hits some so bad and others mildly. Something they can use to come up with a remedy.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Surely everyone is aware that FL gets more than enough help & supplies because our gov. toadies up to our beneficent president, while NY's gov. doesn't because he does not...?

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