Those 70 days cost American lives

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dirtygert(5-NY)

70 days. 10 weeks. One week longer than it takes a Golden Retriever b1tch to gestate and squirt out a litter of pups. It's freakin' disgusting that that much time was wasted. Am I angry? Aren't you?

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chipotle


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Izzy Mn(4)

Trump you have one job right now.

https://youtu.be/yjP2k3dyq48

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Ziemia(6a)

GM & Ford are getting ready to produce ventilators. The dates are mid May for their outputs.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Those lost 70 days are costing the lives of tens of thousands of our fellow Americans.

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lurker111

How so? That's just absurd.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Imagine a wartime president who won’t send armor, guns, or reinforcements to the troops while telling them to buy bullets on their own. He has his weapon stockpiles sitting at the White House, but those are “ours” he says. “The soldiers should have bought more bullets.”

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sheesh(5b)

If it's absurd, I want to know! Please show the absurdity, lurker.

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lurker111

Try reading this forum. It's everywhere.

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paprikash

Shame on the liberals. Projecting isn’t working. I saw too many news clips and MSM stories where libs were WRONG in January.

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dandyfopp

Yes Donnie had it all well in hand.

First death too close, friend of a friends BF died last night. 45 years old, on vent for a week. After they got him off the ambulance she never got to see or speak to him again.


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Lisa

It seems that our President followed WHO and CDC guidelines: (from MIT website)

January 29, 2020: Healthy individuals with no symptoms of the novel coronavirus should go about their daily routines as usual. They should go to work, classes, and labs, and take part in their other normal activities. There is no need for MIT Medical to “clear” individuals before they are allowed to go to work or school. Researchers from the CDC and World Health Organization (WHO) are continuing to study 2019-NCoV, but to date, there is no evidence that asymptomatic individuals are able to transmit the virus.

MIT is not recommending quarantine or isolation for any member of our community. No individual in our community should be singled out in any way due to concerns about this virus. The only individuals who would ever need to be quarantined from others are those who meet the screening criteria (lower respiratory illness and fever, recent travel to an affected area) and are awaiting results of testing and those who have a confirmed diagnosis of 2019-nCoV.

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chipotle

Shame on the liberals. Projecting isn’t working. I saw too many news clips and MSM stories where libs were WRONG in January.

Paprikash,


The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus — the first of many — in the President’s Daily Brief.

And yet, it took 70 days from that initial notification for Trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or harmless flu strain well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked America’s defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. That more-than-two-month stretch now stands as critical time that was squandered.

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maifleur03

Then the next day WHO changed that advisory was in the news. Nice try.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/30/who-declares-coronavirus-outbreak-a-global-health-emergency/

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Lisa

On Jan 30 WHO said "In making the announcement, WHO leaders urged countries not to restrict travel or trade to China,..." The US was already trying to restrict the global pandemic. "Late Thursday (in late January), the U.S. State Department increased its travel warning for China, saying people should avoid going to the country. In a tweet, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo cited the emergency declaration and the ongoing spread of the virus for the decision, despite what WHO leaders said about travel policies."

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maifleur03

For any of you with a real interest in what WHO did you might read the Situation Reports since news sources are seldom timely any more.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

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maifleur03

This thread is not about what WHO did or did not but about the lack of our government using the information that they had or at least should have since on January 1 there were four countries that had cases of the virus. Our intelligence agencies would have known and advised our so called leaders at the latest early December.

The action they have taken makes me wonder how close Thor's comment above is to reality.

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Gizmo

paprikash

Shame on the liberals. Projecting isn’t working. I saw too many news clips and MSM stories where libs were WRONG in January.

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...and Cons are still wrong in April!

Shame on them


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Lisa

tit for Tat shows that there was considerable confusion amongst "the experts". Daily changes. And a lack of transparency from the Chinese source.

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Ziemia(6a)

Did the CDC have the benefit of our various intel agencies briefings?

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Ziemia(6a)

Limiting travel late January was late in the prevention game. (Travel bans just slow down the contagion - not keep it out.)

Besides - this isn't about travel bans - it's about gearing up for an epidemic.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

I listened to this yesterday - from Planet Money - it's about how our testing system works and a timeline of what went down. I found some of the history of this fiasco and comparisons with other countries infuriating...

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/18/818072542/episode-981-how-to-test-a-country

"The coronavirus feels like it came out of nowhere, but the rules for developing tests have been around for a century. In this episode, we take you inside the pandemic testing system to try and understand the coronavirus tests we've all been hearing so much about: how they work, who makes them, and why it's all taking so long."


Also keep in mind that we have one side of the political spectrum that believes our government's job is to serve and protect all its citizens, regardless of their level of wealth, and the other side which does not, and that side is the party in charge right now...

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heri_cles

January 3 , 2020- China notifies US of viral outbreak followed by cover-up about viral transmission. Former US technical rep in Wuhan was removed by US by or before that
70 days of campaign speeches, golf and Tweet.
March 13 - US declares national emergency.

We have seen a lot of denial, lack of urgency, and incompetence. Daily press conferences have devolved into angry attacks on journalists and distractions about drug interdiction and the Wall. Those who repeated Trump that this was a Democrat Hoax should crawl into a hole and never come out. Every wasted day cost lives.

Oh wait he has built 166 miles of border fence, and he is number one on Facebook, Did you know that?

Trump has his nerve running for re-election. He should be resigning.





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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

#1 on Facebook. I am so impressed (sarc)

He's still talking about the cure being worse than the disease which leads me to believe he's now senile. Every time Fauci impresses on him the importance of stay-at-home, Trump heeds it for a couple of days, then goes right back to wailing about his sad economy and the cure being worse than the disease.

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bfox254

Similar to the Katrina debacle, our government was too slow to act. It's as if they learned nothing from that prior disaster. I do believe many lives will be unnecessarily lost because of the inaction. Even once they woke up to the impending disaster, they weren't able, and still aren't able, to articulate and implement a coherent plan of action.

Our government failed us. All of us. If you aren't angry, you should be.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Austan Goolsbee has been talking about this on various platforms

https://www.businessinsider.com/austan-goolsbee-virus-economics-why-regular-stimulus-wont-work-2020-3

  • Austan Goolsbee, the former economic advisor to President Obama, says "the number one rule of virus economics is that you have to stop the virus before you can do anything about economics."
  • Goolsbee says after controlling the virus you need to provide relief so that nobody starves or has to liquidate everything due to a temporary slowdown. He insists that regular stimulus will only be effective after taking these steps.
  • The economic impact will be worse in the US than in China because America's economy is more dependent on face-to-face services, according to Goolsbee.
  • Goolsbee says Trump is not doing well in terms of credibility in handling this crisis. In dealing with the Great Recession, he remembers Paul Volcker always saying credibility is the only asset you have during a crisis.
  • "We're already in recession," Goolsbee says, "if we let a short-run downturn... morph into something more permanent, that's when you talk about depression."


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Annie Deighnaugh

70 days...ought to be the dem campaign slogan...70 days and 10,000 deaths.

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maifleur03

Apparently the US is telling Japan that they should be doing more testing. Sounds to me like the old saying about pot and kettle. This country is not testing so who gives it the moral ground to tell other countries to do something that this country is unwilling to do.

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queenmargo

With all the "ahem" expertise and scholarly wisdom presented on this forum, the question begs to be asked..... Why are not any of you president? Why are so many just sitting and cyber marching instead of curing and solving the world problems? Nah, just sit around and whine and point fingers while you laze.

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chipotle

Correction, Margo -- the question begs to be asked..... Why is this man president?


While Trump attacks the New York Times this morning, the city of his birth will now start burying the dead in parks.



full Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1247156159896748032

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Blanche Dubois

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/06/trump-versus-biden-coronavirus-timeline-is-utterly-damning/

What’s notable is that this contrast — Trump defying science and experts one one side, and Biden calling for a response shaped around science and expertise on the other — has been omnipresent throughout:

Trump, Jan. 22: The president tells CNBC that “we have it totally under control” and “it’s going to be just fine.”

Top Biden adviser, Jan. 22: Ron Klain, a Biden adviser who managed the 2014 Ebola response, co-writes a piece excoriating Trump for “brashly” dismissing coronavirus as “under control,” while calling for “expertise” to “guide critical decisions” and noting “reasons for great concern.”

Trump, Jan. 24: Trump praises and gives thanks to China for its efforts to contain the coronavirus, and adds: “It will all work out well.”

Biden, Jan. 27: Biden publishes an op-ed in USA Today hitting Trump for “shortsighted policies" that "have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic,” and warning that the coronavirus “will get worse before it gets better.”

Trump, Jan. 30: Trump says at a rally in Michigan: “We think we have it very well under control.”

Biden, Jan. 31: Biden tells reporters in Iowa that “science” must “lead the way,” adding: “We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus.”

Biden, Feb. 1: Biden tweets: “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science.”

Trump, Feb. 2: Trump goes on Sean Hannity’s show and claims: “We pretty much shut it down, coming in from China.” Trump extols our “tremendous relationship” with China, and adds: “We did shut it down, yes.”

Trump, Feb. 10: Trump claims that “a lot of people” think the coronavirus “goes away in April with the heat,” adding that we only have “11 cases,” and that “we’re in great shape.”

Biden, Feb. 11: Biden goes on “Morning Joe” and excoriates Trump for claiming the coronavirus will disappear in the warm weather, crossing himself while doing so, and adding: “You couldn’t make it up.”

Trump, Feb. 26: Trump claims the media is conspiring with Democrats to hype the coronavirus to rattle the markets. Trump also says the coronavirus is “going very substantially down, not up.”

Trump, Feb. 27: Trump hails his administration’s handling of the coronavirus, and while he does reveal a hint of uncertainty, he says: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

Biden, Feb. 28: Biden goes on CNN and says Trump has yet to “gain control” of the coronavirus, while calling on Trump to stop downplaying it and urging him instead to “let the experts take this over” and “let the experts speak.”

Trump, March 9: Trump dismissively compares the coronavirus with flu, claiming flu kills tens of thousands annually and that “life & the economy go on.”

Trump, March 10: Trump again hails the “great job” he’s doing on the coronavirus, and declares: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

Biden, March 12: Biden gives a speech stressing the importance of presidential truth-telling amid crises, noting that Trump’s ongoing falsifications risk leaving Americans without reliable guidance, compounding “public fears.”

Trump, March 13: Asked about the administration’s epic failure to ramp up testing, Trump declares: “I don’t take responsibility at all.”

Biden, March 15: Biden responds to that Trump quote by reiterating his call for widespread free testing, and by declaring: “It is the job of the president to take responsibility — and his response is unacceptable.”

Trump, March 17: After all that, Trump preposterously proclaims: “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

As The Post’s weekend exposé revealed, it took 70 days from the time Trump initially learned of the coronavirus to the point at which he treated it as a serious threat to untold numbers of American lives. Trump’s instinct to minimize and lie about the coronavirus saturated his government’s response, to catastrophic effect:

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In reality, many of the failures to stem the coronavirus outbreak in the United States were either a result of, or exacerbated by, his leadership.

For weeks, he had barely uttered a word about the crisis that didn’t downplay its severity or propagate demonstrably false information. He dismissed the warnings of intelligence officials and top public health officials in his administration

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

How can any Trump supporter look at those comments and still be a supporter?

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bfox254

Why are not any of you president?

That's not a very robust defense of his actions (or inactions).

I'll repeat it again.

Our government failed us. All of us. If you're not angry, you should be.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

"How can any Trump supporter look at those comments and still be a supporter?"

How?........they have a secret translation code to reveal trump true meaning.

Enough of poking you trumpsters, time to give you a break and prep some veggie plots......a gorgeous day here..ta-ta

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paprikash

Margo — it’s useless. Some democrats are so pathetically partisan and are so full of Trump hate, they are incapable of supporting our President and our Country even during an unprecedented catastrophe. Nothing he does will make them happy. Trump and the task force should be thanked and commended for their tireless work, but - no - the left continues their constant whine. I am choosing to try to ignore their total anti American attitude since, really, I am so fortunate to have friends and family in my life who project love and positivity not hatred.

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chipotle

So out of touch with reality.

Americans die by the thousands, and Trump gloats about his television audience. They face financial ruin, and he chides governors for inadequate adulation. This is more than a failure of empathy. It’s a failure of basic humanity.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

But hey, he's number #1 on Facebook.

Nothing he does will make them happy.

Haha. Get real. If Obama were handling this pandemic the way Trump is handling, I am guessing you guys would be whistling an entirely different tune.

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maifleur03

Not certain where on fb he is #1 I just checked and he only has 5,680,181 followers with 3,289,731 likes. Again another exaggerated thing to make himself feel better.

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Lisa

but but but

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

"I am choosing to try to ignore their total anti American attitude since, really, I am so fortunate to have friends and family in my life who project love and positivity"

Time to come out of your bubble.

Kate

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olliesmom

By closing the border from China and Europe saved millions of lives. But, President Trump was called xenophobic and racist. He just cannot win with the libs. I am so glad he didn't listen to them!

Excuse us if we choose to not listen to the Dem jabber.

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bfox254

I'm afraid they're ensconced in bubble wrap permanently.

They know. They just refuse to acknowledge the truth. Notice the posts attack the messenger, not the message. How dare we speak the truth?

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Annie Deighnaugh

But that's always the way....the truth for them only exists within the realm of one's level of support for the president. If you support him, you can only speak the truth. If you don't, you can never speak the truth. And that lasts only as long as you support him. If you change your mind about trump, the truth will suddenly vanish from your lips.

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Lisa

The truth? You can't handle the truth.

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olliesmom

Goes both ways. I never hear anything good about President Trump from Dems, only negative from Dems. They live in their bubble of hate.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Once he established himself as cruel and stupid, there was no more need to go any further. I think reporters give him TOO much of a break. When he tells a lie, the reporter should flat out say. Just because he sounds slightly cogent every once in a blue moon, that doesn't mean he deserves to be praised for it.

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ubro(2a)

Goes both ways. I never hear anything good about President Trump from Dems, only negative from Dems.

I disagree, a few posted how they were happy that his message sounded much better in one of his briefings a few weeks back.

However, is there anything positive to post about a bumbling dictator? Looking for someone to stroke his ego just for the sake of stroking his ego without any substance to back it up is a waste of time.


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Annie Deighnaugh

I'd love to see him do something worthwhile supporting. For example, I'm delighted that they acted early and fast on the stimulus...but even that had to be tainted with this $500B (!) slush fund which he will use for his own corrupt purposes to make money off of and has already defied any government oversight of how he uses the money. So shameful, corrupt and criminal.

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maddie260

dt's only response to the virus that he claims over and over and over and over: i shut down travel from China. he ALWAYS neglects to mention that, despite the ban, 279 flights from China and several from Wuhan, arrived in the USA. Passengers from these flights have had minimal if any screening. his other response to the virus: his ratings are up, he owns the federal stockpile, take a med- "what have you got to lose?", the governors, Obama, and anyone but he is responsible are criminal. (has he blamed HRC and her private email server yet? I'm waiting on that- countdown.......)

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Blanche Dubois

there were 85+ flights a day landing from China after the "no flights" order was given.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Get real. If Obama were handling this pandemic the way Trump is handling, I am guessing you guys would be whistling an entirely different tune.

Ain't that the truth JZ. I'm glad that Obama was in charge when the Ebola virus hit, it has a mortality rate of ~50% compared to Covid-19 of ~2%. With trump's foot dragging to avoid bad news while spreading his brand of "hope" half of us might be dead soon....and he'd still blame it on Obama while his supporters cheer him on.

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Gizmo

paprikash

Margo
— it’s useless. Some democrats are so pathetically partisan and are so
full of Trump hate, they are incapable of supporting our President and
our Country even during an unprecedented catastrophe. Nothing he
does will make them happy. Trump and the task force should be thanked
and commended for their tireless work, but - no - the left continues
their constant whine. I am choosing to try to ignore their total anti
American attitude since, really, I am so fortunate to have friends and
family in my life who project love and positivity not hatred.

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Just the notion that the Pres must be thanked for doing his job is positively absurd-- and an absolute time waster. So if he isn't thanked/praised your state gets nothing, talk about being morally bankrupt with that diseased mindset.SMH

Trumps accolades--or not, will come after this pandemic has passed, but I don't know how he can recover after losing 70 days due to his non-actions-- and thus, resulting in the deaths of 10,389(4/06) Americans, aka Trump's victims.

History will not treat Trump/Republicans, or his/their supporters kindly.

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Izzy Mn(4)

Trump hands over supplies to corporations instead of States

https://youtu.be/8P2egQ9spqU

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